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EvyL

the Thonburi coastal defense ship

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Well, thanks to dead man walking giving me a pic of her, I started the grab and went from there. Seriously, she looks quite good.

 

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Back when the APAC region wasn't all like today with things like Myanmar being old Burma, Malaysia was still being referred to as Malaya, both Australia and New Zealand rolling as one single entity as ANZAC or ANZ if you wish for it, Thailand at that time was old Siam and even they had a navy, not an offensive navy that have incredible endurance in ships but a navy sound enough to defend the country in the event of a naval incursion. The coastal defense ship HTMS Thonburi was one of them.

 

Now the concept of the coast defense ship was practically a novel concept but it can be said that the thought remained a sound idea for additional shore defense as the ship was intended to stay near its mother country and be a reaction force when shore guns won't cut it. the Thonburi was one of these said ships and if we speak of duty, she did her best when things went sour pretty fast although her sister, Sri Ayudhya, wasn't so lucky in the end as she went under during an attempted coup de etat and the the lead ship has her fore section preserved in the Thai Naval Academy.

 

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A rather interesting coastal defense ship, Thonburi was keeled in Japan at the Kawasaki Industries shipyard and eventually delivered to the Thais somewhere during 1936. Why at Japan, one might ask? If we speak of the arms race of the navies of the world, in APAC, Japan was upsizing theirs and had some of the finest shipyards in the region to build their warships so it was sound enough to ask them for shipbuilding as they were the closest, but if we speak of options, there is still the Vladivostok base for Russia and despite the Russian Pacific Fleet being stationed somewhere there, the mighty shipyards were at St. Petersburg or old Leningrad. As built, she had an armament of 8 inch/203mm guns in two dual mount turrets, a couple of 3 inch DP guns and AA guns of about 20mm which were changed to 40mm. She was protected with nearly 3 inches of belt, 1 inch of deck and 4 inches of turret with her machinery giving her a max output of about 16 knots. It was also rumored that these ships have flat bottoms in the advent of the vessel being too severely damaged to be seaworthy yet her guns are still combat effective in order to have simplicity of beaching her to function as a shore battery.

 

Now here comes the interesting bit in classification: the Thais referred to her and her sister as 'battleships' which meant they were coastal battleships to them, the French classed her as a light cruiser despite her armament saying otherwise, some referring to them as shore gunboats and there's the generalization of "coastal defense ship" which fit them as their duties were to patrol the waters off their country. If we go on how she would have behaved, she would be practically a defensive 'pocket heavy cruiser' due to the potency of her guns. Another thing to be intrigued with is that both Thonburi and her sister were the most powerful assets Thailand had within their navy at the time as the cruisers they asked from Italy were seized when war started going sideways.

 

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Then came her first taste of combat during the Battle of Ko Chang... the one where she would be whacked so hard to the point she had to be grounded on a sandbar due to a French flotilla arriving and started unloading at the smaller force that had reacted in time due to the Franco-Siamese conflict. As the flotilla was led by the French light cruiser Lamotte-Picquete of the Duguay-Trouin class, the battle was essentially a peek-a-boo brawl between land masses in the location where torpedoes and salvos were being unloaded and it was during the peak of that fighting the Thonburi's captain was killed that disrupted operations for a time, she was burning and was listing that they had to, or for some helplessly had to, run her aground to prevent her going under after the French light cruiser lost sight of her behind an isle and for good reason as her remaining turret after her other turret was knocked out was jammed so she had to be turned so that her turret can face the enemy as it still could unload rounds. After that battle, Thonburi was refloated and refitted, serving as a training ship along with loads of her hands getting commendations and eventually was stricken off the navy list but a part of her, well parts of her as a bridge and the turret at front, were preserved and sits on the Thai Naval Academy area. It might not be much to look at but she did her part and that's something anyone would be proud of as the Thais should be with their coastal defense ship.

 

Now this makes me wonder what exactly WOULD happen if the Thais would get normal cruisers, be them light or heavy.

Edited by EvyL

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She'd be an interesting ship if she is added in to the game. Having size as small as a destroyer but can punch like cruiser. only thing I don't like about this ships is that she's slower than Battleship

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She'd be an interesting ship if she is added in to the game. Having size as small as a destroyer but can punch like cruiser. only thing I don't like about this ships is that she's slower than Battleship

 

She's more or less just a barely mobile coastal gun battery

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The Swedes and the Finns excelled at building this type of ship.

 

Sweden -  Sverige class coastal defence ship:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverige-class_coastal_defence_ship

Type: Coastal defence ship
Displacement:
  • 7,239 tonnes standard, 7,755 tonnes full load
  • (Sverige: 6,961 tonnes tons standard, 7,758 tons deep load)
Length:
  • 121.6 m (399 ft)
  • (Sverige: 120 m (390 ft))
Beam: 18.6 m (61 ft)
Draught: 6.2 m (20 ft)
Propulsion:
  • original 12 Yarrow type coal-fired boilers, upgraded to oil-fired boilers in the 1930s
  • "Sverige" 4-shaft direct drive turbines / "Drottning Victoria" and "Gustav V" 2-shaft geared turbines
Speed: "Drottning Victoria and Gustav V" 23.5 knots (43.5 km/h) ("Sverige" 22,5 kn)
Complement:
  • 427 (standard)
  • 443 (as flagship)
Armament:
  • 4 × 11.1 inches (280 mm) guns in two twin turrets
  • 8 × 6 inches (150 mm) guns in one twin turret and four single mounts
  • 6 × 75 millimetres (3.0 in) guns in single mounts
  • 2 × 57 millimetres (2.2 in) guns
  • 2 × machine guns
  • 2 × 18 inches (460 mm) fixed torpedo tubes
Armour: Main belt 200 mm (7.9 in); deck 45 mm (1.8 in); turrets 200 millimetres (7.9 in); control tower 175 millimetres (6.9 in)
Aviation facilities:

 

Finland - Väinämöinen class coastal defence ship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_coastal_defence_ship_V%C3%A4in%C3%A4m%C3%B6inen

Class & type: Väinämöinen-class coastal defence ship
Displacement: 3,900 t
Length: 93.0 m (305.1 ft)
Beam: 16.864 m (55.33 ft)
Draught: 5.0 m (16.4 ft)
Propulsion:
  • Diesel-Electric powertrain
  • four Krupp engines 875 kW (1,173 hp), two shafts.
  • 3,500 kW (4,700 hp)
Speed: 14.5 knots (26.9 km/h; 16.7 mph)
Range: 700 nmi (1,300 km; 810 mi)
Complement: 410
Armament:
  • 2 × 2 × 254 millimetres (10 in)Bofors
  • 4 × 2 × 105 mm Bofors
  • 4 × 40 mm Vickers
  • 2–8 × 20 mm Madsens

 

 

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Sorry Thai's ship only set on tier 2 because she didn't heavy cruiser.  But for my homeland proud I would like to have in the game.

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The Swedes and the Finns excelled at building this type of ship.

 

Sweden -  Sverige class coastal defence ship:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverige-class_coastal_defence_ship

Type: Coastal defence ship
Displacement:
  • 7,239 tonnes standard, 7,755 tonnes full load
  • (Sverige: 6,961 tonnes tons standard, 7,758 tons deep load)
Length:
  • 121.6 m (399 ft)
  • (Sverige: 120 m (390 ft))
Beam: 18.6 m (61 ft)
Draught: 6.2 m (20 ft)
Propulsion:
  • original 12 Yarrow type coal-fired boilers, upgraded to oil-fired boilers in the 1930s
  • "Sverige" 4-shaft direct drive turbines / "Drottning Victoria" and "Gustav V" 2-shaft geared turbines
Speed: "Drottning Victoria and Gustav V" 23.5 knots (43.5 km/h) ("Sverige" 22,5 kn)
Complement:
  • 427 (standard)
  • 443 (as flagship)
Armament:
  • 4 × 11.1 inches (280 mm) guns in two twin turrets
  • 8 × 6 inches (150 mm) guns in one twin turret and four single mounts
  • 6 × 75 millimetres (3.0 in) guns in single mounts
  • 2 × 57 millimetres (2.2 in) guns
  • 2 × machine guns
  • 2 × 18 inches (460 mm) fixed torpedo tubes
Armour: Main belt 200 mm (7.9 in); deck 45 mm (1.8 in); turrets 200 millimetres (7.9 in); control tower 175 millimetres (6.9 in)
Aviation facilities:

 

Finland - Väinämöinen class coastal defence ship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_coastal_defence_ship_V%C3%A4in%C3%A4m%C3%B6inen

Class & type: Väinämöinen-class coastal defence ship
Displacement: 3,900 t
Length: 93.0 m (305.1 ft)
Beam: 16.864 m (55.33 ft)
Draught: 5.0 m (16.4 ft)
Propulsion:
  • Diesel-Electric powertrain
  • four Krupp engines 875 kW (1,173 hp), two shafts.
  • 3,500 kW (4,700 hp)
Speed: 14.5 knots (26.9 km/h; 16.7 mph)
Range: 700 nmi (1,300 km; 810 mi)
Complement: 410
Armament:
  • 2 × 2 × 254 millimetres (10 in)Bofors
  • 4 × 2 × 105 mm Bofors
  • 4 × 40 mm Vickers
  • 2–8 × 20 mm Madsens

 

 

 

I love those Swedish ships, happy to see them turn up in the game :great:

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