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just a question that has been bugging me since i got a LVI BB. are the higher level Cv Op? i am finding i have no recourse against them and most games i am sunk without firing a shot. it it a balancing thing where LVII or higher CV should not be in a game with LVI etc BB (happens all the time with me) or is it bad CV players not protecting their own BB. what is other people's experience? everytime i get into a battle with high L CV i am temped to AFK and not waste my time for less than 100 EXP. i also still think Torps are way to destructive 

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Fear, a good CV player literally unbalances the game.

 

Lucky there are so many crap ones who ensure little or no impact on the game.

 

averaged out I guess you are right.

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A CV player who knows what they are doing (Those manual torps drop though...) can and will ruin your day no matter what class you are playing, mostly in BB, sometimes in DD and not usually in CA.

 

I think the game should reward player who load out fighters and cover the fleet more as now most CV I met tends to focus on damage dealing, leaving BB with unreliable CA escort.

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Fear, a good CV player literally unbalances the game.

 

Lucky there are so many crap ones who ensure little or no impact on the game.

 

averaged out I guess you are right.

 

The same goes for other way: good surface ship players can deny enemy CV of any attack if they sail together, especially Cruisers and Battleships.

Lucky there are so many crap ones who are ensured to die horribly to CV because they sailed alone, and then complained CV being OP. 

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Imbalanced, Thats the word I am going to use.

 

It's Probably the only class that can determine a game outcome by itself.

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If you look at statistical information available at present, CVs score the highest damage (and I believe exp) AND have the highest survival rate of all ships at every tier at which they're available (4 to 10). 

 

IJN CVs top average damage done in tiers 4, 5, 6, 7 AND 8. Most of the time they're doing so by between 40-60% when compared with the damage output of the next highest ranking non-CV ship in the tier, LOL.

 

At tiers 9 and 10 they lose to....the USN CVs.

 

Tiers 4 and 5 are the only tiers where BOTH CVs are not the top 2. LOL again.

 

So a class of ship that tops average damage done AND survives more (which probably means they make the most CR, too, as they get rewarded for damage and would have fewer repair costs; only question on that one is I'm not sure how the cost of their plane losses are).

 

Based on those performance measures, IJN CVs in tiers 4-8 (which is basically 99% of the game for most players) are superior to every other ship at their tier within the context of the game as it is played right now.

 

Put differently, if you were to ask "What ship should I play to do the most damage on average and survive the most often?" the answer would undeniably be CVs.

 

Anyone who wants to say otherwise, provide some evidence.

 

So they're better at doing damage and surviving. Does it make them OP? Who cares? It makes them better at doing damage and surviving, and those two things are somewhat at the core of the game, aren't they?

 

Trouble for me is they're boring as bat guano, so their performance will never induce me to play them.

 

Does this situation make for good, balanced game play? Depends on how you define those I suppose.

 

I've based these comments on a chart provided in THIS thread.

 

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I shall simply say, bingo!

 

Thanks, we have a shortage of stupid, pointless contributions. There should be a bingo for that, too, but the 'bingo' posters would get stuck in a perpetual loop posting about themselves, LOL.

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CV are hardly OP there aren't many CV players that are good, they are decent but not good

 

im not saying im good or better

 

it's just that it's sad that many CV players are good in some areas but lack in a few other areas so most people are just there...... ( average or below)

So basically it depends on the player.....

what i see  in some CV players :

CV players have little to no map awareness

Go for damage done over winning the game

Sit till their Carrier sunk

doesn't utilize their fighters planes to scout before moving the entire bomber group to attack

 

CV aren't OP .... AGAIN!

because why people feel CV are OP it's because tier 4 and 5 cruiser and BB well SHIPS overall doesn't have good AA due to the era they were built around...

CV mid tier is tough as many ships have good Anti-air and will tear careless CV player's planes to shreds if they did something wrong.

 

another statement.. CV isn't op and don't point fingers at them.

playing CV is difficult and they are also humans so don't go yell at them just give them some respects as fellow players unless they bombed your ship....

 

Summary :

CV are player dependant so they are not OP.

CV are OP for lower tier but not when you have Middle to High tier ships due to the time they were built.

Respect them as players don't hate CV players.....

just a question that has been bugging me since i got a LVI BB. are the higher level Cv Op? i am finding i have no recourse against them and most games i am sunk without firing a shot. it it a balancing thing where LVII or higher CV should not be in a game with LVI etc BB (happens all the time with me) or is it bad CV players not protecting their own BB. what is other people's experience? everytime i get into a battle with high L CV i am temped to AFK and not waste my time for less than 100 EXP. i also still think Torps are way to destructive 

 

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~stuff ~

Respect them as players don't hate CV players.....

 

 

Tell me, if there are loads of 'poor' CV players, how is it CVs are performing as I described? Did you even bother to LOOK at my post, or the chart?

 

And if CVs aren't that great, they're clearly better THAN EVERY OTHER CLASS AT EVERY TIER for doing damage per game.

 

Please reconcile that view that "CVs aren't that great" when available statistical evidence shows entirely the opposite; even the DEVS have acknowledged that.

 

I haven't said a single thing about the PLAYERS, incidentally. I've not even seen anyone else do so in this thread. So I don't know why you'd include that comment at the end.

 

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Tell me, if there are loads of 'poor' CV players, how is it CVs are performing as I described? Did you even bother to LOOK at my post, or the chart?

 

And if CVs aren't that great, they're clearly better THAN EVERY OTHER CLASS AT EVERY TIER for doing damage per game.

 

Please reconcile that view that "CVs aren't that great" when available statistical evidence shows entirely the opposite; even the DEVS have acknowledged that.

 

I haven't said a single thing about the PLAYERS, incidentally. I've not even seen anyone else do so in this thread. So I don't know why you'd include that comment at the end.

 

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Yes they aren't that great it all depends on the players

i gotten alot of heat and i was pointed at compare to a bot in my team why because i was late and because im a CV players if you haven't experienced this don't bother replying i'm just saying for overall people to try and understand the players playing as CV are equal not something to point at when the game is at a loss. and i didn't quote because no one said anything about the cv players it just for the overall forum visitors that stumble upon this thread.

 

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Yes they aren't that great it all depends on the players

i gotten alot of heat and i was pointed at compare to a bot in my team why because i was late and because im a CV players if you haven't experienced this don't bother replying i'm just saying for overall people to try and understand the players playing as CV are equal not something to point at when the game is at a loss. and i didn't quote because no one said anything about the cv players it just for the overall forum visitors that stumble upon this thread.

 

 

So the topic is "Are CVs OP?" and you post "people hate CV players".

 

OK.

 

But again, if they "aren't that great" how is it they TOP THE DAMAGE DONE PER BATTLE for EVERY TIER FROM 4 to 10 i.e. every tier they're available?

 

To say they aren't that great, when they're better at doing damage THAN EVERY OTHER CLASS OF SHIP IN THE GAME, just makes no sense at all. It's entirely illogical.

 

But if they aren't that great, what's better in your opinion, and on what do you base that assessment?

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So the topic is "Are CVs OP?" and you post "people hate CV players".

 

OK.

 

But again, if they "aren't that great" how is it they TOP THE DAMAGE DONE PER BATTLE for EVERY TIER FROM 4 to 10 i.e. every tier they're available?

 

To say they aren't that great, when they're better at doing damage THAN EVERY OTHER CLASS OF SHIP IN THE GAME, just makes no sense at all. It's entirely illogical.

 

But if they aren't that great, what's better in your opinion, and on what do you base that assessment?

it's my comment and i didn't refer and this is my last reply to "hate cv " BECAUSE I NEVER F__ say a sht about it just another one of my stray comment so go away from that please you are just another * who is looking for more reply 

 

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yes they aren't that great what's better? nothing literally nothing is better or worser than the CV it's all player skill based + teamwork with the other players in the game

what i see now it's that you are another person trying to mess my day just go away u are horrible

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it's my comment and i didn't refer and this is my last reply to "hate cv " BECAUSE I NEVER F__ say a sht about it just another one of my stray comment so go away from that please you are just another * who is looking for more reply 

 

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yes they aren't that great what's better? nothing literally nothing is better or worser than the CV it's all player skill based + teamwork with the other players in the game

what i see now it's that you are another person trying to mess my day just go away u are horrible

 

LMAO. OK, well at least now I know not to take anything you say remotely seriously.

 

I won't bother you again; I only discuss things with people when I think they have something to contribute and there's a chance I might get something useful in reply. Clearly not the case here.

 

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The general gist of whether a ship is OP or not depends on only 1 criteria : how good is the player behind the ship? It's the good players that make ship OP. A bad player can make a seemingly good ship look bad. It's the same with WoT

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Fear, a good CV player literally unbalances the game.

 

Lucky there are so many crap ones who ensure little or no impact on the game.

 

averaged out I guess you are right.

 

A good any captain literally unbalances the game, Fact is CV are unreliable because of how reliant they are on RNG, i can always count on a cruiser or a bb near me to open up fire on a target that i am firing on and i know that target is going to take some reliable damage, if a CV is attacking my target though they might miss all of their torps and all of their bombs even if they are the best there is and then they have an extremely long reload afterwards so i can not rely on them to say finish off a low HP target for me while i start attacking another for an example. 

 

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Nope, not in a DD.

 

Yeah DD are also under powered, it is quite hard to carry in a DD and i would never say that a DD is even close to being as valuable of a player as a cruiser or a BB, they really need to do something about DD's to make them competitive again (i have suggested DD get the AA cover ability and the healing ability to overcome how fragile they are and vulnerable to air attack they are but not many people are supportive of that idea)  

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Do you really think more AA/ 1 use of Barrage helps a whole lot?

 

And secondly, given I shot down 30 aircrafts, it still give crap and don't mean anything when higher Tier CV had so much reserves.

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The general gist of whether a ship is OP or not depends on only 1 criteria : how good is the player behind the ship? It's the good players that make ship OP. A bad player can make a seemingly good ship look bad. It's the same with WoT

 

By that logic all the best players play CVs and not much else. What's more, they're fantastically better players than everyone else as they're able to do 40-60% more damage in their CVs than any other ship at the same tier can manage.

 

Yeah, right.

 

Reminds me of all the time people spent claiming the Type 59 wasn't OP as [redacted] when WoT first 'released' despite the mountains of evidence to the contrary.

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