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silenthunter19944

Do you guys think that U.S. Carriers will be obsolete in the next patch.

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The title said it all. You know what will happened. I am not going to say anything else because people will start bashing me. And btw. 1US fighter squadron cannot go against 2 IJN fighter squadron so that's not a reasonable argument. I tested this yesterday. Waiting for all the haters to start bashing me because I asked a question.:trollface::popcorn:

 

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Haven't tested it myself, but hoping that the strafing run ability may get buffed or something, I dunno. I seriously hope you tested it more than once or twice to get this opinion.

 

But I'm still sticking to my USN CV line to complete the AA missions :P

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Right now my US CV are in the reserve fleet since they really have pathetic CAG. And that CVE USS Bogus is just plain (all the profanities I know in English, Malay and Chinese) is just so much more worse than FTK. I fared much better in FTK than that Bogus

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Right now my US CV are in the reserve fleet since they really have pathetic CAG. And that CVE USS Bogus is just plain (all the profanities I know in English, Malay and Chinese) is just so much more worse than FTK. I fared much better in FTK than that Bogus

 

Both weren't that bad in opinion, yeah Bogue was slow as a slug but its aircraft, especially the bombers were good - the dive bombers are some of the most accurrate

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I need to gather my patience and zen for USS Bogus

 

Don't worry, it wasn't too bad, I still managed to get to my Indy after the wipe without premium for that matter- try a combination of balanced or fighter loadouts

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some Q here ... I never go to test server but the  strafing run ability is Air to Air attack or Air to Sea (the it will shoot the ship) .... or can be both depend on what target ....

 

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Everyone get's up me for ranting but at least i'm not as annoying as OP.

 

And to OP's question: i think they already are but the MM fix should make them less obsolete.

 

(also giving more xp to downing planes would help for both US CV's and escort role ships.)

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(also giving more xp to downing planes would help for both US CV's and escort role ships.)

 

Why not simply nerf the exp coefficient of IJN CVs? They're top of the charts at pretty much every tier, which is statistically significant, I'd have thought.

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Why not simply nerf the exp coefficient of IJN CVs? They're top of the charts at pretty much every tier, which is statistically significant, I'd have thought.

 

Thing is nerfing anything involving the IJN will cause a backlash. They are THE nation to play as in Asia region.

 

(okay maybe not but still nerfing anything with IJN will make many unhappy where nerfing USN makes less unhappy)

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Thing is nerfing anything involving the IJN will cause a backlash. They are THE nation to play as in Asia region.

 

(okay maybe not but still nerfing anything with IJN will make many unhappy where nerfing USN makes less unhappy)

 

Because anime fan boys tears would make the sea even saltier. And well let's be serious here, there is no excuse for IJN CVs to be as ridiculous OP as they are right now. On WOT, IJN tanks are far from OP despite the SEA server, there is just no excuse. I do really hope that all IJN CV will be nerfed significantly in the near future

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i think that the changes to IJN carriers next patch are going to be good for IJN CV's, and it will cause problems for USN CV's, but i think that if WG allowed USN fighters to disengage from a dog fight it might be a good way to balance them out. for example, an IJN CV decides to use his 2 squads to take out a single US fighter squad, the US CV could disengage and lay an ambush near a cruiser or allied fighters if the IJN fighters follow up, or they could keep the 2 IJN squads pinned to allow their bombers to pass and call for backup to cleanup the IJN fighters.

 

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View Postsilenthunter19944, on 26 August 2015 - 07:35 PM, said:

 

Because anime fan boys tears would make the sea even saltier. And well let's be serious here, there is no excuse for IJN CVs to be as ridiculous OP as they are right now. On WOT, IJN tanks are far from OP despite the SEA server, there is just no excuse. I do really hope that all IJN CV will be nerfed significantly in the near future
And this is why some of us don't take you seriously. If any of us don't agree with you, we are immediately called Anime fan boys and are bashing you and yes a single USN Fighter of same tier can deal with 2IJN fighters, though its very dependent on RNG+Captain Skills and ship mods but majority of the time an USN Fighter squadron can deal with 2 IJN fighters.

While I don't dispute that IJN CVs are over performing, especially compared to their USN counterparts, they aren't impossible to deal with especially when the higher you go up the tiers(more AA, More CAs with Defensive Fire e.t.c) and with the eventual elimination of the bomber focused loadout for the IJN at lower tiers. 

Case in point: Myself (Bogue) + Allied Bogue both running the fighter focused loadouts vs a Ryujo running a balanced loadout and a Zuiho running a bomber focused loadout. With the help of the Cleveland, we were able to significantly hamper the impact those two IJN CVs had on the match. Yes I know, its only one match and not a total representative of the overall meta.  

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I agree with Lupis, If WG increases the AA rewards just for USN CVs, they would be more "natural predators"  against the IJN CVs cause hey, who doesn't want easy xp and money to point and click, of course they would be running the risk of being almost useless in a CV-less game.
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Again, why should USN CVs get their exp capacity increased to that of IJN, when IJN are clearly over performing?

Nobody ever seems to answer that question.

 

If you increase USN exp to parallel IJN via different means, it seems to me that would simply mean BOTH CV lines would be over performing.

 

Or are CV players only interested in balance between CVs and nothing else?

 

Again, merely curious. I doubt any of our ruminations will matter; WG will decide this via their stats, which frankly seems appropriate anyway.

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Again, why should USN CVs get their exp capacity increased to that of IJN, when IJN are clearly over performing?

Nobody ever seems to answer that question.

 

If you increase USN exp to parallel IJN via different means, it seems to me that would simply mean BOTH CV lines would be over performing.

 

Or are CV players only interested in balance between CVs and nothing else?

 

Again, merely curious. I doubt any of our ruminations will matter; WG will decide this via their stats, which frankly seems appropriate anyway.

 

One of the reasons why IJN CVs are over performing is due to the fact if they are given free reign (e.g Lack of Fighter/bomber threats, lack of Defensive AA capable CAs e.t.c) they are able to deal with almost any target bar a blob of CAs guarding their BBs.

 

If USN CVs receive a reward bonus from fighter kills only, it would create a larger incentive for players to play a fighter focused USN CV. Needless to say, the more USN fighters there are, the harder it is for the IJN CVs to perform thus is should keep the IJN CV in check. 

 

Since most of the USN income would come from aerial kills only, this would keep the USN CV in check as their surface combat capability is normally 1-2 Dive bombers until the later tiers where torpedo bombers are mixed in. Thus. if they happen to be in a match where there aren't any CVs to oppose them, they would have a very minor impact (in terms of damage) to the battle and wouldn't be as dominating as a IJN CV in a similar situation.

 

To also answer your question on whether CV players care only about the balance between CVs: In my opinion, they greatest threat to a CV is another CV, hence why you would see some CV players make it their one true mission in life to sink the opposing CVs even at the cost of supporting the rest of the team.

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Any developer who 'balances' things on the basis of player behaviour that rarely, if ever, happens is an idiot.

 

It's why I laugh at all the IJN CV fanbois who say "don't go alone" and "you need a CA" or any one of the bunch of inanities they usually spout.

 

We can see how often those things happen by the accumulated results of IJN CVs.

 

At the same time, players will do that which the game most rewards (other than idiots and bots/afk, although those latter ones ARE doing what the game rewards in the sense that they can climb tiers doing nothing at all, something I and others have written about for many years and WG has shown absolutely no concern over of any significance in WoT). It's why there have been discussions around rewarding CAs for using AA barrage within 'x' km of a friendly capital ship (i.e. BB or CV) and so on.

 

Regardless, I'm not fussed about USN CVs. It's the IJN ones that are clearly over the top in pretty much every tier, so they're the ones that need the attention. I suspect WG will get onto it, unless they treat IJN CVs like the KV-1s and leave them brokenly OP for a few years due to perceived bias of one sort or another.

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