Why does EVERYONE keep saying WARGAMING are Russian ?

[zzzzYeti]

I know in most media Russia is considered very low, these days. Putin is often derided and so on.

But why do you associate Putin and Wargaming, the makers of this game?? And make one line Russian jokes and generally carry on.

 

I just don't get it. You ALL want to show off your search abilities.

Why aren't Belarus and Russia distinct in your minds ??

 

I know Wargaming have an office in lots of places - St. Petersburg in Russia but also Kiev in Ukraine; one in Sydney.

I know they were founded by a Belarusian, head office is now Cyprus.

 

I DO NOT THINK WARGAMING NEED TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH RUSSIA.

And SHOULD NOT be.

 

I think the White Rus deserve more.

Please stop the stupid Russian jokes.

Wargaming deserve better.

 

If you really need it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wargaming_(company)

https://wargaming.com/en/about/our-locations/#!vacancy=undefined

 

Unless, as often, I am just wrong, and for some strange reason they have ever said they are Russian, but I cannot find it. Anywhere.

I just think the Belarus deserve A LOT of respect.

 

PS I love the statistic that they get an average $7 from every active WoT user per month.

 

PPS I am NOT trying to get you all to see the current version of the somewhat vandalized Wikipedia page - really.

[Syanda]

Russian bias is a joke, zzzzYeti. One that's been around for years at this point.

[benlisquare]

Wargaming, developer of World of Tanks, is a Belorussian company based in Minsk and headquartered in Nicosia, Cyprus.

 

Wargaming St. Petersberg, formerly known as Lesta Studio and developer of World of Warships, is a Russian company based in St. Petersberg that was previously an independent game studio, and was later purchased by Wargaming (the Belorussian company).

 

World of Warplanes is developed by Persha Studia, a Ukrainian game company based in Kiev.

[Nikolaevna]

Not surprising to see accusations of Russian bias everytime. Belarus prefers to be associated with Russia. You hear them speaking Russian more than Belarusian. I'd have more respect for them if only they published more historical articles about their country instead of Russia's.

[Lupis]

It's become a meme for WG. they did come out some time ago that they were bias towards russian and that pleased many players. since it was no longer a tinfoil conspiracy.

 

Unlike that "other" developer who'll ban* you for mentioning that.

 

* okay you won't get banned for it but the ensuring argument will get you banned.

[zzzzYeti]

Wargaming, developer of World of Tanks, is a Belorussian company based in Minsk and headquartered in Nicosia, Cyprus.

 

Wargaming St. Petersberg, formerly known as Lesta Studio and developer of World of Warships, is a Russian company based in St. Petersberg that was previously an independent game studio, and was later purchased by Wargaming (the Belorussian company).

 

World of Warplanes is developed by Persha Studia, a Ukrainian game company based in Kiev.

Thank you, much appreciated.

 

[Harpoon01]

This is one example of the joke:

Let's make Soviet Navy Tier X BB armed wirh 20 inch guns

12 OF 'EM

[zzzzYeti]

Well, I was really hoping the Varyag would be in the lower tier CA Russian line. I was quite sad It didn't end up coming to the RAN anniversary. I wanted to show my kids a real warship, bet they would have thought it really kewl.

[Artisto81]

I want my Sverdlov class cruiser! 

 

The biggest costumers of WG have always been in Russia, so they can afford to be Russian biased

[Harpoon01]

I want my Sverdlov class cruiser! 

 

The biggest costumers of WG have always been in Russia, so they can afford to be Russian biased

 

(Indonesian in Facebook: "Hey it's Sverdlov class cruiser, it's basically KRI Irian!!!" *Throws money at the screen*)

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[Kapitan_Zur_See_Hoffmann]

It's become a meme for WG. they did come out some time ago that they were bias towards russian and that pleased many players. since it was no longer a tinfoil conspiracy.

 

Unlike that "other" developer who'll ban* you for mentioning that.

 

* okay you won't get banned for it but the ensuring argument will get you banned.

 

Hmmmm

 

So that goes a long way to explain why the Germans are neutered  

 

eg Tiger II with that terrible burn plate, considering the fact that there is no photo/documentation to prove that any Tiger II was penetrated through the front plate in the war

 

Hope the kreigsmarine ships aren't like that

[kongman]

 

Hmmmm

 

So that goes a long way to explain why the Germans are neutered  

 

eg Tiger II with that terrible burn plate, considering the fact that there is no photo/documentation to prove that any Tiger II was penetrated through the front plate in the war

 

Hope the kreigsmarine ships aren't like that

 

i would be ready with lube 

[zzzzYeti]

The biggest costumers of WG have always been in Russia, so they can afford to be Russian biased

 

I gather that about 5% of WoT players are Russian by number.

And given all the economic sanctions, recession, disaster, cold war and stuff, they will not be the richest customers.

So I guess you mean biggest as in muscles, intellect and respect for agreements with other nations.

 

Just by the way, I think it only fair to tell you I am eigth generation Australian, mostly from Irish convict or Scottish stock.

It's a pity there aren't many jokes about the Irish navy.

 

But I am a USN player, exclusively and I won't be buying Russian ships.

I will be buying the Kreigsmarine big time.

I'm all for the under-dog.

I hope I get to buy all the most nerfed ships in the game.

"It's Nerf or nothing"

I gotta give all you ordinary CBT players, IJN and others a chance to feel superior. Briefly.

[_Storm]

Russian bias is a joke, zzzzYeti. One that's been around for years at this point.

Back in ye olde days when balance was not a concept that yet existed it was true, however Russian bias these days is nothing more than a memory of distant days.

 

I gather that about 5% of WoT players are Russian by number.

For your information the RU server is the largest by a very big number, they are the majority playerbase in the game, and where WG directs pretty much all of its energy, they may not be the richest per capita, but I can assure you through sheer numbers alone they contribute more to WG's coffers than any other server.

 

So that goes a long way to explain why the Germans are neutered  

 

eg Tiger II with that terrible burn plate, considering the fact that there is no photo/documentation to prove that any Tiger II was penetrated through the front plate in the war

 

Hope the kreigsmarine ships aren't like that

If the Tiger II was half as good in real life as it is in wot it might actually have been better than 70 tons of glorified scrap metal, as it was the Tiger II exhibited everything wrong with late-war German tank development, and was an utter failure in terms of what it was supposed to do, it ended up being a prohibitively expensive, over-engineered, fuel-guzzling waste of time, money, and resources.

 

If the Kriegsmarine gets the same treatment I think you'd be pretty well off to be honest.

[Kapitan_Zur_See_Hoffmann]

Back in ye olde days when balance was not a concept that yet existed it was true, however Russian bias these days is nothing more than a memory of distant days.

 

For your information the RU server is the largest by a very big number, they are the majority playerbase in the game, and where WG directs pretty much all of its energy, they may not be the richest per capita, but I can assure you through sheer numbers alone they contribute more to WG's coffers than any other server.

 

If the Tiger II was half as good in real life as it is in wot it might actually have been better than 70 tons of glorified scrap metal, as it was the Tiger II exhibited everything wrong with late-war German tank development, and was an utter failure in terms of what it was supposed to do, it ended up being a prohibitively expensive, over-engineered, fuel-guzzling waste of time, money, and resources.

 

If the Kriegsmarine gets the same treatment I think you'd be pretty well off to be honest.

 

really ????

 

What do you base that on ?????

 

There are a number of books out now to prove it was effective as a defensive weapon racking up large kills in a number of actions. True it was a gas guzzler and more tigers were destroyed by their crews when they ran out of gas is more a reflection on the effect allied bombing had on German fuel production and supply problems 

 

I am not going to debate with you whether the tiger was effective or not as this is not the forum for it. I mentioned it as an example only and have learnt that people have an opinion that will not change either way concerning this vehicle

 

Have a nice day

[IRONMAN34]

WoT is pretty Russian biased so i see no reason why WoWs wont be,

for example on the tier Xs for clan wars, the IS7 is the HT used the most, Russian meds are used the most and when picking a team that would make up 10-13 of your players, the rest would be arty or something specialised like an E3 or batchat but thats 10-13 tanks that are Russian..

 

so with that in mind they didn't bring out the Russian line for WoWs, Why? perhaps they wanted everyone to spend money on the US and IJN lines and later bring the Russian line that has better TierXs and you spend more money to get them as your underpowered in you current ships.

 

its not the 1st time ive seen this situation as many players from WoT can attest, bring out a new line and make it OP so you have to buy/grind it

then later they re-balance it  but either way the Russian line seems to come out on top for the most part

[zzzzYeti]

 

zzzYeti: I gather that about 5% of WoT players are Russian by number.

 

For your information the RU server is the largest by a very big number, they are the majority playerbase in the game, and where WG directs pretty much all of its energy, they may not be the richest per capita, but I can assure you through sheer numbers alone they contribute more to WG's coffers than any other server.

 

 

5% Sourced via: http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/348874-a-few-more-wargaming-statistics-for-2013/

I know that is an XBox stat but saw no reason why PC would be vastly different.

 

I found this Kislyi quote informative:

'what is the average player spend in the game? "The global average is $7 per active user every month," he says. "It differs from territory: the US is higher while China is lower. Japan is the highest of all."'

source: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-08-08-the-russian-invasion-meet-the-man-bringing-free-to-play-to-xbox

 

For your information the RU server is the largest by a very big number, they are the majority playerbase in the game, and where WG directs pretty much all of its energy, they may not be the richest per capita, but I can assure you through sheer numbers alone they contribute more to WG's coffers than any other server.

 

MAY I HAVE THE SOURCE OF YOUR STATISTICS, PLEASE ??

So very kind of you, appreciate it.

 

[Artisto81]

 

(Indonesian in Facebook: "Hey it's Sverdlov class cruiser, it's basically KRI Irian!!!" *Throws money at the screen*)

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Awwh yess mate, a heavy cruiser with 6 inch fast firing guns like Mogami..... But it would be OP as hell as it is Russian and WG tend to be Russian bias.......  I will looking forward to citadelling a Colossus class CV with her... (If you know what I mean...)

[benlisquare]

I know that is an XBox stat but saw no reason why PC would be vastly different.

 

 

Console gaming is largely dead in the CIS, and that applies for Russia as well. While there are a few over there who play on consoles, it remains a niche interest, and the majority of games played there are on home computers (most notably MOBAs such as DotA) and smartphones. Part of the reason involves import taxes; western games consoles feature expensive consoles and expensive games, and the cost of console gaming acts as a market barrier to Russian (and CIS) consumers. A significant anomaly was the PlayStation Portable, which did relatively successfully in Russia, however that was because it was extremely easy to pirate games on the device.

 

Furthermore, outside of the United States, Australia and New Zealand, the Xbox is incredibly niche. Sony consoles take the lion's share of market penetration within mainland Europe and South America, while the Asian market is dominated by Sony and Nintendo consoles. The American and Australian love for Xbox is a statistical anomaly that's probably explained by the way Xbox is effectively advertised within those markets as a "dudebro" platform (e.g. Madden, NFL, CoD, Halo, FIFA, and so forth).

 

To wrap up, WoT for Xbox is largely targeted towards the American playerbase, and the player statistics are skewed towards higher American populations as a result of the way the games market works. WoT Xbox figures can't be used as reliable comparison markers for the PC version of WoT. In fact, the Russian WoT server has the highest player numbers out of all the servers, followed by EU and China.

[zzzzYeti]

 

Console gaming is largely dead in the CIS,  ...

 

To wrap up, WoT for Xbox is largely targeted towards the American playerbase, and the player statistics are skewed towards higher American populations as a result of the way the games market works. WoT Xbox figures can't be used as reliable comparison markers for the PC version of WoT. In fact, the Russian WoT server has the highest player numbers out of all the servers, followed by EU and China.

 

Thank you very much, that is really very nice of you to go to such trouble for me (and to inform any possible readers).

 

I would like to point out, if you will excuse me, that there are therefore a lot of WoT US players on X-box. a lot of US WoT players.

 

And there is reference in my source for 100 million users, with the population of Russia possibly 145 million. I don't think all males in Russia and a third of all females play WoT - that's 100 million peeps)

All the males in Russia between 10 and 50 would be about 40 million people perhaps.

If half of them HAVE played WoT (seems high but wth) - that's 20 million.

And 1 in 20 logged in at peak would seem possible.

Giving the 1 million peak figure from your stats.

 

So that's 20 million Russian players of 100 million people who have played WoT over time.

 

Or 20% of the people over time who have played WoT over time were Russians.

And a lot more of them play now than others.

Other peoples obviously have the money to move on to other games, more freely.

 

But 20% of the overtime playerbase, the Russians, who we admit spend less than Americans, Euros and Japanese, do NOT make a privileged class in the eyes of any developer, for monetary reasons.

 

Similar to Valve when CounterStrike went commercial, Wargaming are most interested in the major source of money.

So I do understand why some would say the IJN is OP.

And why Counterstrike was never going to be an on-going major part of Valve's earnings. I never played CounterStrike but I like Valve.

 

We will see what percentages end up playing World of Warships - when data comes out.

If the server figures go the way everyone keeps saying, then I expect everyone will have a motive to argue Russian ships are OP.

But at the moment I suspect the Japanese might be more logically targetted by the Belarusian management.

 

I still don't think bagging Wargaming as both Pro-Russian and biased towards the Russians is currently justified, and refencing Putin and so on - at least in these WoW forums.

 

Thanks again for making me think.

[Noppers]

63% of statistics are made up.

[Lupis]

63% of statistics are made up.

 

"everything on the internet is true"- Abraham Lincoln.

[Counterflak]

WoWS is so biased to Russians that they've postponed the RU tree for Germany, apparently because the Russian player base wanted to.

[zzzzYeti]

63% of statistics are made up.

 

I whole-heartedly agree. 

I spent many years teaching statistics at a branch of the University of Sydney to PhD students and post grad researchers.

Peer review was a really funny occupation, in a sad kinda way.

 

"Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: 'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.'"      -     Mark Twain

[Noppers]

I did that course at uni myself, many years ago. Sometimes hard to pass on the message to others about how easily statistics can be manipulated to suit the user / audience. A real eye-opener.