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Minekaze got nerfed? Then nerf the cleveland

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Well you see, 

Minekaze is ad DD right? What ijn DD's specialize? Torp, yes, TORP AND STEALTH  is it seems unfair to usn DD? No,

 

What Usn DD called for? Its DD HUNTER 

Usn DD is for hunting ijn DD not, torpedoing, thats why their torp is not really good while their cannon is fast and hurt

If we nerf minekaze then, Minekaze = sh**** cannon, bad stealth, bad armour, low hp, bad torp.. So whats good about minekaze then?

I personally using the minekaze too, why i didnt call her OP? Yes she is not OP, then why she is so hurt? Its because of ur stupidity, when i see smart BB (never go straight line) i give up hunting him and find another prey, because what? Minekaze's torp is easy to evade, even more easy if u dont go straight line, and commander has skill than expand the torp awareness...

 

Ok to cleveland, do u think an aoba can fight cleveland? I personally say 20% can...(i own aoba and i hate cleveland), and so can myoko fight cleveland? Maybe.... Not... U nerfed the RoF, everyone says cleveland is op, it is tier 6 

And it seems she will not get nerfed, he is the ultimate enemy of CV, maybe BB, CA, CL, DD...

Minekaze? Only CV,BB and some stupid people

 

Then whats is good on ijn from tier 1-6? Other than the before nerfed Minekaze? (Mutsuki is shit, aoba is more better than furutaka, zuiho? Maybe?, kongo? Easy to citadel, fuso? Short range)

 

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Minekaze is over performing. I don't understand how no one on my ship can spot her when she is only 5km away. Her torpedoes will wreak any U.S. BB because they are slow as **** and you have a 40 seconds reload which mean you can spam torps and complete lock down an area

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Cleveland WAS nerfed some time ago through having its citadel hit locations increased in size and having the effects of HE damage v heavy targets reduced. Was almost impossible to get cit hits once, now it's not at all the case.

 

Were those changes enough? I suppose we'll find out soon, because I imagine it will be on their radar.

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A Minekaze disappeared less than 3km in front of me. He didn't activate his smokescreen, just brought his ship to a full stop. These destroyers are virtually invisible submarines right now.

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Ok so they nerf the only thing worth driving but can't fix the lag damn 2 weeks and I already wanna leave this game that has to be a record so much work to get something Nerf'd  NICE GOIN pffft

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A Minekaze disappeared less than 3km in front of me. He didn't activate his smokescreen, just brought his ship to a full stop. These destroyers are virtually invisible submarines right now.

At somepoint sonar is broken, DD 2km away omin smoke, didnt get spotted, u can spot DD with sonar really, rather than stealth, nerf just the torpedo to stock torp, is better than nerfing so many good things about minekaze... 

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A Minekaze disappeared less than 3km in front of me. He didn't activate his smokescreen, just brought his ship to a full stop. These destroyers are virtually invisible submarines right now.

 

AFAIK all ships are as visible stationary as they are moving. If it vanished like that there was another factor in play.

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Well you see, 

Minekaze is ad DD right? What ijn DD's specialize? Torp, yes, TORP AND STEALTH  is it seems unfair to usn DD? No,

 

Actually all DDs specialise in stealth. While IJN DDs are typically better than their counterparts it's by no means a nation trait.

 

 

What Usn DD called for? Its DD HUNTER 

Usn DD is for hunting ijn DD not, torpedoing, thats why their torp is not really good while their cannon is fast and hurt

[The result of too much sugar]...

 

 

Well you see, there's an issue with US DDs can't even see IJN destroyers for a reason. As for their guns hurting the Gremmy's guns have more punch. There was a nerf to DD smoke in a patch before OBT to smoke mechanics. Because smoke reduces your chance of being spotted this stacks with your detectability stats. As most people are aware this is non-existent for US DDs due to:

 

1) US destroyer gun handling. The slow project coupled with low range.

2) Below average concealment stats.

 

I could expand on this issue in detail but the tl;dr version is these two factors combined means a US DD can't get between these two distances. This is not so much the case from tier 7-10, but for mid tier US DDs it's an issue.

 

Ok to cleveland, do u think an aoba can fight cleveland? I personally say 20% can...(i own aoba and i hate cleveland), and so can myoko fight cleveland? Maybe.... Not... U nerfed the RoF, everyone says cleveland is op, it is tier 6 

And it seems she will not get nerfed, he is the ultimate enemy of CV, maybe BB, CA, CL, DD...

Minekaze? Only CV,BB and some stupid people

 

The Cleveland has already been nerfed. IT previously had slightly longer range and higher shell velocity (Think Omaha) If you think it's OP now then you clearly don't know it's final (possible) form.

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Actually all DDs specialise in stealth. While IJN DDs are typically better than their counterparts it's by no means a nation trait.

 

 

Well you see, there's an issue with US DDs can't even see IJN destroyers for a reason. As for their guns hurting the Gremmy's guns have more punch. There was a nerf to DD smoke in a patch before OBT to smoke mechanics. Because smoke reduces your chance of being spotted this stacks with your detectability stats. As most people are aware this is non-existent for US DDs due to:

 

1) US destroyer gun handling. The slow project coupled with low range.

2) Below average concealment stats.

 

I could expand on this issue in detail but the tl;dr version is these two factors combined means a US DD can't get between these two distances. This is not so much the case from tier 7-10, but for mid tier US DDs it's an issue.

 

 

The Cleveland has already been nerfed. IT previously had slightly longer range and higher shell velocity (Think Omaha) If you think it's OP now then you clearly don't know it's final (possible) form.

UhaBTfI.png

If it the problem then add range to usn DD? Well when i use minekaze, being spotted is trouble for me, just 1 he shell hit the water near me and my engine bust.... Really.....

 

I dont really know about cleveland anymore (just hearing others opinion) since i always avoid cleveland

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How unfortunate.

 

I was getting tired of getting killed by those things in my Myogi and wondering where all the torpedoes came from, seeing that there were no planes in the sky.

 

Though nerfing the detection range by so much effectively makes it a US DD with half the amount of torpedoes. I think WG overstepped the line here. Taking away the 10km torpedoes is alright, but killing the detection range as well?

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minekaze normal detectability is 5.9 km  if what they said in update note was true, then it will be about 6.9 km,

torpedoes range is 7 km

 

so, they have to come out in the open to fire their torpedoes...

in other word.... THEY HAVE TO DIE TO LAUNCH THEIR TORPEDOES!

 

everyone know that DD won't survive long out in the open..., 

the only life line of DD is about to taken away... now DD is really gonna turn into floating junk...

 

great job

 

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Not really, it is risky but you can always shoot your torpedoes outside of 7km.

 

Remember it takes time for torpedoes to reach a target, by then they might be within the 7kim range of the torpedo. At best you score a hit, at worst you just gave him a heart attack. It's a gamble.

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minekaze normal detectability is 5.9 km  if what they said in update note was true, then it will be about 6.9 km,

torpedoes range is 7 km

 

so, they have to come out in the open to fire their torpedoes...

in other word.... THEY HAVE TO DIE TO LAUNCH THEIR TORPEDOES!

 

everyone know that DD won't survive long out in the open..., 

the only life line of DD is about to taken away... now DD is really gonna turn into floating junk...

 

great job

 

It's not like being spotted to launch torp is death sentence, if so then USN DD race would not have remained in existence. People always exaggerate things.

Edited by Gezeiten_Heimatwelt

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300m. Confirmed with the devs.

Still not very significance IMHO..... The stock torpedo is more deadly as it have 62 knots speed

Edited by Artisto81

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300 m.? really? 

 

if it's true... well, it's acceptable at least... better grab camouflage to make it even lower

 

Key factor of DD (of all nation) is torpedoes range should longer than detectability range , like a role of sniper in FPS game, what it meant for DD.

if one need to show up to fire torpedoes, go play cruiser. better armor, better chance of survival in the open.

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It's not like being spotted to launch torp is death sentence, if so then USN DD race would not have remained in existence. People always exaggerate things.

U see the only thing about ijn dd is torp, usn dd have good cannon and short torp because usn dd is hunter, if ijn have her stealth=torp range and slow torp that mean it will be useless, like stock mutsuki... 

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