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EvyL

the Alaska class cruiser

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of all the ships I had wished to see in the US line, it would be this thing. I don't care if its going to have wonky stats, its still a ship I would really like to use because ERMAGHERD LERGE CRERSER.

 

one of the more funky ships the US had built that virtually behaved like a battlecruiser was the Alaska class 'large cruiser'.

 

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normally, its not that strange seeing heavy cruisers but of all the cruisers the US had, the Alaska had exceeded being a heavy cruiser; it was, in all effect, a literal 'large cruiser'. it was just insanely huge for a cruiser if we speak of size alone. normally the contemporary heavy cruiser at the time, the Baltimore, was long but it aint THAT long like the Alaska. this thing was just very large. I remember one such convo that had actually happened when those interested in ships told me that this thing was a nerfed North Carolina:

 

me: its a cruiser. a large cruiser to be precise.

him: large cruiser? are you kidding me? THIS is a large cruiser? this thing is battlecruiser large, not large cruiser large!

me: its a large cruiser. deal with it. bitching any further will bring to no effect.

him: I still think its a battlecruiser.

 

well... to be fair, he wasn't wrong in saying this thing was a battlecruiser. although designed as a 'cruiser killer', the Alaska has ran into a crapload of types that were attributed to it: one was that it was, as its type says, a large cruiser, the second was it was a battlecruiser (Lexington, you went full CV. never go full CV), the third was it was a superheavy cruiser because of the scary news that Japan was making a superheavy cruiser themselves (well paper-wise, the B-65 was kinda the equivalent for Alaska I think). all of it was attributed to this thing although it still could not match the Deutschland cruisers in name title since it bore the name 'pocket battleships' and if we go by dakka alone, then the Deutschland should be the first superheavy cruiser type of old. 

 

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the ship below Big Mo is the Alaska, and THAT is how insanely huge this "large cruiser" is and this is already assuming that the Iowa class were the biggest capital ships that ain't a carrier to start sailing. due to her new designation, the lead ship and her sisters that followed soon after had the hull designation of "CB" to reflect this with Alaska being the first ship of her type being designated as "CB-1". her design had a crapton of characteristics from USN ships facemelted in her design, a couple that is a bit noticeable would be the AA layout of the Baltimore, the large mast and similar looking funnel of the North Carolina and South Dakota and the machinery of the Essex that should make her into a reasonable carrier if the need was urgent to convert her... well, in respect to her being prospected as a CV, she was taken into account but they went with other ships like the Cleveland. this thing I believe violated one clause of the two Treaties aka the Naval Nerf Papers (hey don't rage that the signatories couldn't put better capital ships due to these limitations. had this been unrestricted, the arms race would be problematic) about the length of warships built.

 

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she packs a mean battery of 12 inch guns which are improved variants of the Wyoming class in the 'typical' layout of the "2-A-1" or as we know it, the ABX layout where turrets A and B are in the fore section with turret B superfiring and turret X at the aft section. she had a rather improved gun loading system that made her fire a bit faster and her speed cranks her at 33 knots which can let her keep up with fast carriers as escort duties. her armor had been intended to protect her against anything short of her own guns but she lacked the torpedo bulges bigger ships had. she will literally crack if she was blasted by anything that had 14 inch guns and above. she was, however, intended to be a cruiser killer and no matter what the US insisted that she's just a big ass cruiser, what she was intended to do was nothing short of what a battlecruiser was intended to do. its also not helping her insistence of being a large cruiser that she packs battleship grade guns... well... WWI battleship grade guns as the 12 inch guns she packs were, again, improved versions from the Wyoming class. also, her design is reminiscent to the UK type battlecruisers where armor was foregone for dakka, speed and maneuverability. its a bit of a shame that she and her sisters were scrapped soon after but it would have been interesting to museum them since, despite behaving like battlecruisers albeit with a different designation, they were still the first ships of their type to actually sail.

 

then came the herpaderp: her armor is good when she does her job in cruiser killing but again she will be easily blasted by full battleships and anything that punched through under the waterline insta-floods her. yet her AA suite is more or less equivalent to her contemporary heavy cruiser colleague the Baltimore, only that she herself packed the heaviest armament put on a cruiser and the question went this: "if we go on AA dakka alone, why do we need to build more Alaskas when the Baltimores have equal AA suites to these ships?" but that didn't mean she was out of the picture. she served as floating artillery for landings in Iwo Jima and served as carrier escort for the remainder of her days until she and her sisters went into reserve and finally met their fates by scrapping. I don't think she was that bad a cruiser though as she was intended to be a cruiser killer and the first 'superheavy cruiser' that was a ship short of a battleship (lookit her, she nearly matched Big Mo of all things in size!) but did not fully behave as a proper capital ship. this would put her in league with the 1916 onwards battlecruisers of the Royal Navy, and the German Scharnhorst class if we talk about their surface ship capability.

 

if we talk in-game matters regarding this, then the large cruiser would be treated as a battlecruiser but the problem would be that some nations have battlecruisers that function as both ships of the line and their intended role as cruiser killers much like the Alaska's German colleague the Scharnhorst. the discussion is here regarding the battlecruisers. my speculation for her would be this for all things:

 

AA suite - since it will kinda match the Baltimore in terms of dakka, its best to nerf the crap out of it

main battery - she has good fire control I believe so dont let her shot deviation be insanely high

range - a max range of 20km for the lulz unless they plan to treat her guns as the same as with the Iowa's or the Wyoming's

load time - much like the Furutaka, about 21 seconds or so

armor - well... battleships WILL kill her although cruisers will have a hard time and destroyers will easily swamp her with torpedoes

 

her closest counterpart in stats would be Kongo although when Alaska is fully souped up, she moves faster than Kongo although she hits weaker than her. this pits her at a likely tier V or VI if my hope for branching happens. you can't put her as a cruiser because she virtually swamps every cruiser she sees even if she's likely a low tier ship and she doesn't fill in properly as a battlecruiser sans fast battleship because a full battleship can destroy her long before she can slug her.

 

 

that is all.

Edited by EvyL

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Alpha Tester
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I've always love this class. Will definitely have one as a keeper ship should they ever come around.

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I just hope the RUdevs won't restat her so hard that she's basically a full on battlecruiser in the game because if we stat her, then again her closest colleague would be Kongo. in retrospect, Alaska is kinda unique for the combat triangle established in the game as she's basically a superheavy cruiser that could shrug off and blast tier X cruisers with relative ease thanks to her WWI battleship grade guns and armor that protects her from cruiser guns. she can't really chase down and go on a slugfest with other battleships so that rules her out as a ship of the line but putting her as a cruiser due to her large cruiser status will be incredibly lulzy. this would be the day, a tier 5 (can anyone confirm that there was that design study that turned the Alaska into a "Super Alaska"?) capable of fighting against a tier X cruiser.

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I prefer the lines and armour of the 11in gunned Scharnhorst class, guess it's a taste thing. Having said that what I really want is the SMS Mackensen (never finished I know)

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lel thanks Tanzer. I tend to deviate from formal stuff since I'm terribad at them. glad it could bring amusement as well as interest.

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Want. 

 

I prefer the lines and armour of the 11in gunned Scharnhorst class, guess it's a taste thing. 

 

Have been on record as wanting for some time. 

 

Evyl, make thread for Stalingrad class pls. Because mammothcruisers.

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Want. 

 

 

Have been on record as wanting for some time. 

 

Evyl, make thread for Stalingrad class pls. Because mammothcruisers.

 

a thread in this section? I need to find some crap about it first.

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Want.

 

 

Have been on record as wanting for some time.

 

Evyl, make thread for Stalingrad class pls. Because mammothcruisers.

 

Just had a little look at the Stalingrad class, Looks like she had armour on a lighter scale then the US ship (designed to keep out 8in gun fire at range). The thing I like about the Scharnhorst over the other 2 is her protection is more like a battleship (like most German battlecruisers).

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Just had a little look at the Stalingrad class, Looks like she had armour on a lighter scale then the US ship (designed to keep out 8in gun fire at range). The thing I like about the Scharnhorst over the other 2 is her protection is more like a battleship (like most German battlecruisers).

 

Oddly the target hulk held up very well under fire. But yeah, the Scharnhorst class are very nearly battleships in terms of protection, and will likely actually wind up in game as low tier BBs (They had a 15" gun upgrade, several of the turrets were actually built, but they wound up as static emplacements).

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Oddly the target hulk held up very well under fire. But yeah, the Scharnhorst class are very nearly battleships in terms of protection, and will likely actually wind up in game as low tier BBs (They had a 15" gun upgrade, several of the turrets were actually built, but they wound up as static emplacements).

 

Will be interesting to see which is better. The 6x 15in guns will give you a heavier broadside then 9x 11in guns, But the 11in guns could reload in about 17 seconds. Should make for an interesting ship.

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Will be interesting to see which is better. The 6x 15in guns will give you a heavier broadside then 9x 11in guns, But the 11in guns could reload in about 17 seconds. Should make for an interesting ship.

 

well its probably going to be treated as a battlecruiser at initial config with 11 inch guns and as a fast battleship with improved armor, fire control and 15 inch guns. She's going to be havimg the modularity of the Mogami

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Murican firepower vs Deutschland-class

 

fun notion: this thing was one of the concepts on the eventuality of the US slugging German ships and the Deutschland was one of them.

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Deutschland class should be a victim to anything decent UNLESS the Devs finally do something about the poor scaling of armaments.

 

A 16" gun is not twice as destructive as an 8", it's a crap ton more so. Hell, a 16" shell packed at least DOUBLE the explosive filler of a 14", and it's the filler than makes the 'bang' that does bad things once the AP shell punches through armour.

 

6" guns are overstated in their abilities against anything other than a CL/DD, 8" understated, and the bigger calibre guns MASSIVELY understated.

 

I suppose they've done this for 'balance', because the fact remained that any real BB simply invalidated anything else in a gun fight. That's why they were built.

 

The CA HE spam of doom is 100% fiction in terms of knocking out a properly armoured target's combat ability. As I've said many times, the combat report from the Battle of the River Plate highlighted how massively more destructive an 11" shell was over an 8", and the 6" were largely ineffective against the Adm Graf Spee.

 

All of which means the BCs such as Scharnhorst, Dunkerque and Alaska will all suffer from being large targets wrecked by BBs but nowhere near as immune to 8" and lower than they should be.

 

But, yes, all those BCs were beautiful. Hell, people forget the Hood was a BC, and the biggest of them all. Also by all accounts one of the most spectacular, beautiful capital ships ever built.

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plz add alaska class, as a new class "battle-cruiser", tier X

 

that's impossible. there are actually two battlecruisers in-game in case you missed it, one is Kongo at stock at her 1914 as built and Amagi's plan at 1923 and their upgrades reformat them to fast battleships. and also, there are only four ship classes atm recognized so if you want the supercruisers in, its likely they will be treated as fast battleships.

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The CA HE spam of doom is 100% fiction in terms of knocking out a properly armoured target's combat ability. As I've said many times, the combat report from the Battle of the River Plate highlighted how massively more destructive an 11" shell was over an 8", and the 6" were largely ineffective against the Adm Graf Spee.

 

A BB's combat effectiveness can be reduced significantly with "soft" damage.

Damaging Fire Control Radar is easily possible by cruiser guns, along with damage to the local Fire Control on the main turrets and the main range finder.

Sure, it's not a "hard kill" but ships are more easily rendered combat ineffective than destroyed outright - moreso for BB's.

 

I would think that concentrated fire from a 6"-8" guns, firing HE, could damage the systems I've listed above. It's all down to chance as you'd need to be lucky-ish to hit them but in battle, it's a possibility.

 

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