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IJN Tech Tree Split?

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Some time earlier during the CBT, a modder stumbles upon a localization file that includes a line that contains description for Shinano, a tier X CV. WG also confirms Shinano will be in the game, and even showed her in one of their videos. Currently Japanese CV line in game are made up of ships build as a carrier,but Shinano came from a Yamato-class BB. So, I can tell much that sooner or later we get to choose whether to work up on purpose-built CV or converted ones. The split probably start at tier V like this:

 

Shoho(V)>Chitose(VI)>Kaga(VII)>Akagi(VIII)>Ibuki CV(probably,IX)>Shinano(X)

 

The same might also be done with destroyers, since I looked at WG planned tech tree for Japan and saw Akizuki there.The split for Japanese DD line are probably like Soviet heavy tank line, at tier VI you get to choose to grind for the IS if you're into the IS-7,or  KV-3 if you prefer IS-4.Since Akizuki is a Anti-Air DD,the destroyers leading up to her are those that traded surface combat capability for increased AA stats. So it might looked like this:

 

Surface Combatant

Mutsuki(VI)>Shiratsuyu(VII)>Fubuki(VIII)>Kagerou(IX)>Shimakaze(X)

 

AA Performance

Mutsuki(VI)>Hatsuharu(VII)>Michisio(VIII)>Yuugumo(IX)>Akizuki(X)

 

Take note that this was based on the planned tech tree and changes might happen throughout the development.

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well  i have to say

 

when it's done , it's done

 

current state of the game is need to fix the BUG ,balancing issue , MM  and above of all the De -sync

De-sync before anything ELSE!!!!!

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But DD's AA will always be crap. Akizuki will just be a useless DD with 4 turret and 1 torpedo launcher.

 

Maybe Akizuki will have barrage D:

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But DD's AA will always be crap. Akizuki will just be a useless DD with 4 turret and 1 torpedo launcher.

 

Dude, i'm not saying i'm mad at you for dissing my Akizuki.

 

But if i ever see you on the street, i'll spit at your shoe.

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Rejoice though, premium ship for sure

 

note i have no idea HOW they fit that many on that small frame

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But DD's AA will always be crap. Akizuki will just be a useless DD with 4 turret and 1 torpedo launcher.

 

The Akizuki-class DD are regarded by many as the best destroyer Japan ever produced, and it performed quite well from it's introduction in 1942 right up to the end. So you can't straight up say it was a bad ship. Also, Akizuki-class DD was the first destroyer to be specialized in one role: anti-air duties. Previous IJN destroyers,and pretty much every other destroyers in the world at the time had to perform everything. Sub-hunting,torpedo unsuspecting ships,escorting carriers or battleships, you name it, a destroyer had to do it all.Which is why destroyers don't have that much stat.
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The Akizuki-class DD are regarded by many as the best destroyer Japan ever produced, and it performed quite well from it's introduction in 1942 right up to the end. So you can't straight up say it was a bad ship. Also, Akizuki-class DD was the first destroyer to be specialized in one role: anti-air duties. Previous IJN destroyers,and pretty much every other destroyers in the world at the time had to perform everything. Sub-hunting,torpedo unsuspecting ships,escorting carriers or battleships, you name it, a destroyer had to do it all.Which is why destroyers don't have that much stat.

 

Have you forgotten that this is WG?

 

AA defense is a joke. A CV can drop any cruiser even if they turn on barrage. What can a DD who isn't even supposed to have powerful AA (Look at Fletcher and Gearing) do against planes?

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Rejoice though, premium ship for sure

 

note i have no idea HOW they fit that many on that small frame

 

You'd be surprised.

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Have you forgotten that this is WG?

 

AA defense is a joke. A CV can drop any cruiser even if they turn on barrage. What can a DD who isn't even supposed to have powerful AA (Look at Fletcher and Gearing) do against planes?

The Internet, up to and including WoWS YouTube videos, disagrees with you. Dedicated AA ships has been shown wiping out 1/2 of an IJN's torp attack run at times. That's one full squad and one/three planes of the other two squads btw. 

 

You're not supposed to shoot down entire squadrons as a picket ship protecting another/yourself. You're supposed to shoot down enough, so that the resulting torp run would be a pitiful, easily dodged platter rather than an unavoidable storm. 

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The Internet, up to and including WoWS YouTube videos, disagrees with you. Dedicated AA ships has been shown wiping out 1/2 of an IJN's torp attack run at times. That's one full squad and one/three planes of the other two squads btw. 

 

You're not supposed to shoot down entire squadrons as a picket ship protecting another/yourself. You're supposed to shoot down enough, so that the resulting torp run would be a pitiful, easily dodged platter rather than an unavoidable storm. 

 

Taihou and Haku says otherwise.

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I'd say the Akizuki is better off at tier9, or as tier8 premium. The tier10 should be Chou-Akizuki (Super Akizuki, basically her high-speed variant. Akizuki is terribly slow for a DD). Their turrets are also better mechanized, so they should be able to turn relatively well. GUns might not be big, but toss enough HE at a DD and they'll die of modular damage before hp reaches 0.

 

As for AA barrage that alternate IJN DD branch will have, it's something going to be exclusive to that line only, so no AA for Fubuki-Shimakaze line. 

The main advantage of AA escort DD is their stealth, which may Ambush CV captains who try to sneak up on your "seemly unprotected" allies. They also make great DD hunter too, that at the cost of torpedo effectiveness.

 

Ofcourse AA escort role won't let you get great game that you could in an offensive, but hey you are playing DD for the gameplay anyway. If you want rewards you are better off playing other ships. 

 

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performed quite well from it's introduction in 1942 right up to the end.

 

With 10-14 planes out of 300+ shot down in Ten-Go

and that's with TWO Akizuki-class together...

 

I'd like to know the definition of "Performed Quite Well" _(:3」∠)_

 

im sure most of them went to Yamato's pitiful 25mm Hotchicks(Hotchkiss)

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With 10-14 planes out of 300+ shot down in Ten-Go

and that's with TWO Akizuki-class together...

 

I'd like to know the definition of "Performed Quite Well" _(:3」∠)_

 

im sure most of them went to Yamato's pitiful 25mm Hotchicks(Hotchkiss)

 

More likely a problem with their crew rather than the guns

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The guns itself tend to worn out easily despite its good performance compared to their other AAA

aside that, I'd like to see specific performance of those destroyers within the said class to have something worth calling "good" in terms of AA role

 

 

to think about it, if you're playing as AA cover you have more opportunities to get more exp and credits and also win the game if you just work as a typical DD rather than try shoot down a few planes. There's the Gearing and Fletcher as mentioned earlier, which excels at the AA role yet they would just end up being another CQC destroyer rather than someone who would actually guard the skies

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I'd say the Akizuki is better off at tier9, or as tier8 premium. The tier10 should be Chou-Akizuki (Super Akizuki, basically her high-speed variant. Akizuki is terribly slow for a DD). Their turrets are also better mechanized, so they should be able to turn relatively well. GUns might not be big, but toss enough HE at a DD and they'll die of modular damage before hp reaches 0.

 

As for AA barrage that alternate IJN DD branch will have, it's something going to be exclusive to that line only, so no AA for Fubuki-Shimakaze line. 

The main advantage of AA escort DD is their stealth, which may Ambush CV captains who try to sneak up on your "seemly unprotected" allies. They also make great DD hunter too, that at the cost of torpedo effectiveness.

 

Ofcourse AA escort role won't let you get great game that you could in an offensive, but hey you are playing DD for the gameplay anyway. If you want rewards you are better off playing other ships. 

 

 

My thought exactly. Akizuki and her souped up sibling are for surprise buttsex AA attack against CV who thought they would get an easy target. In any case, it'd depend how WG would balance Akizuki AA defense.

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With 10-14 planes out of 300+ shot down in Ten-Go

and that's with TWO Akizuki-class together...

 

I'd like to know the definition of "Performed Quite Well" _(:3」∠)_

 

im sure most of them went to Yamato's pitiful 25mm Hotchicks(Hotchkiss)

 

 

More likely a problem with their crew rather than the guns
 

 

The problem with the 25mm guns is that they didn't have Proximity Fuses, good if the gun crew was highly trained, absolutely bloody worthless controlled by anything but. 25mm was a bit of a joke in the war anyway. Old, outdated, required way too many gun crews to use effectively.. was basically useless and any planes shot down with 25mm were either direct hits (IRL RNG LOL) or in the guns 'effective engagement zone' any further or any closer then this specific zone and you are basically hoping to hit a nail in a haystack

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The problem with the 25mm guns is that they didn't have Proximity Fuses, good if the gun crew was highly trained, absolutely bloody worthless controlled by anything but. 25mm was a bit of a joke in the war anyway. Old, outdated, required way too many gun crews to use effectively.. was basically useless and any planes shot down with 25mm were either direct hits (IRL RNG LOL) or in the guns 'effective engagement zone' any further or any closer then this specific zone and you are basically hoping to hit a nail in a haystack

 

:unsure: stop crushing my dream of Super Akizuki.

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Taihou and Haku says otherwise.

 

Try torping a fleet of 3-4 ships. Their AA will leave you no room for alignment and you're forced to hastily drop a poor spread that is much easier to evade, not to mention losing most of your remaining planes on the way out. You will still take some damage during this attack, but it severely hinders the CV's strike capability during later strikes and also reduces the damage you take greatly.

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If the Akizuki-class will be able to dash towards a ship requiring AA support in such a very short time due to its speed and maneuverability, then the AA will be enough to cover distraction to mis-align the drop even if she's only successful in destroying 1-2 planes in the process. This is still way better than none at all.

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But DD's AA will always be crap. Akizuki will just be a useless DD with 4 turret and 1 torpedo launcher.

 

but hey who knows.

 

It might be the only IJN DD with def AA and guns that can go against US or Russian DDs

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