These 2 operations are too difficult!

[sfcgx3]

Hermas and Narai. Very low win rate.

[IJN_Katori]

Aegis and Newport are the Hardest. 

 

[Mechfori]

well, actually after PTS and now live and for a while, my take on the matter is :

Narai : not actually harder so long people do not ran off unwilling to tank the BB before entering the inner zone or having 2 /3 all going after the transport / CV , people just are being selfish and only want farming and not fighting then they lost it all

Hermes : its not hard, it just require people put their effort into it and not trying to just stay outside staying off the fighting

Newport : actually coming out easier than before now that you got a grouped up team of more powerful firepower , again so long people do the fighting it will come out OK

Cherry Blossom , now this one really is hard alright

Ultimate Frontier , kind of a bit on the hard side but not quite as hard as Cherry Blossom

Aegis : the tough part is surviving multiple Myoko and Kitakami relentless HE spamming

Killer Whale , Raptor Rescue : again the same so long people maintain their stance and not ran off just trying to farm

 

The low win rate and excessive toughness is simply a reflection of too many players not doing their part FIGHTING , and just want to ran off FARMING

[Sambo_Cigars]

27 minutes ago, Mechfori said:

 

Cherry Blossom , now this one really is hard alright

 

I was Cherry Blossom 4 times and not even once did our team complete the missions successfully. This is because it's new, most of us are still trying to figure out how to best play it, and because it's hard. 

[Mechfori]

1 hour ago, Sambo_Cigars said:

I was Cherry Blossom 4 times and not even once did our team complete the missions successfully. This is because it's new, most of us are still trying to figure out how to best play it, and because it's hard. 

Cherry Blossom is hard , with many never experience it before, that's for sure, the other is MM and very much todays meta of back lane fire and farm but this Op require group PUSH and TANK at the last stage which many just will not do it , I had to shout at the teammates to get them move often , seen too many BB and Cruisers just sit at the dead end island at the corner or with the CV ( heal zone ) and just would not move an inch forward , which of course made them out of range or out of firing arc upon the airfield which is the primary objective

you got to wonder if they actually read what the Op ask for

[Big_Black_Hawk]

8 小時前，Mechfori 說：

well, actually after PTS and now live and for a while, my take on the matter is :

Narai : not actually harder so long people do not ran off unwilling to tank the BB before entering the inner zone or having 2 /3 all going after the transport / CV , people just are being selfish and only want farming and not fighting then they lost it all

Hermes : its not hard, it just require people put their effort into it and not trying to just stay outside staying off the fighting

Newport : actually coming out easier than before now that you got a grouped up team of more powerful firepower , again so long people do the fighting it will come out OK

Cherry Blossom , now this one really is hard alright

Ultimate Frontier , kind of a bit on the hard side but not quite as hard as Cherry Blossom

Aegis : the tough part is surviving multiple Myoko and Kitakami relentless HE spamming

Killer Whale , Raptor Rescue : again the same so long people maintain their stance and not ran off just trying to farm

 

The low win rate and excessive toughness is simply a reflection of too many players not doing their part FIGHTING , and just want to ran off FARMING

Cherry Blossom: Use a CV to attack the runways

[UnderTheRadarAgain]

6 hours ago, Mechfori said:

you got to wonder if they actually read what the Op ask for

Of course they don't. 

I have had Cherry blossom twice so far, both times an easy win. I surge forward to chase off/kill the first 2 enemy groups, then head left and up to make sure that Atago dies. This gives me an excellent crossfire on the red mob. After thinning them down I focus fire on the airfields (ignoring the airfield AA defence building to last). I have found myself to be one of only two players shooting up the airfields both times.

[UnderTheRadarAgain]

10 minutes ago, AF_Is_Short_On_Father said:

Cherry Blossom: Use a CV to attack the runways

Which CV's? The CV's with HE bombs are an obvious choice, how about the German and Japanese CV's and Enterprise - with their AP bombs, do they work as well? Just thinking about the options.

Ignore the ships and go straight for the airfields.

Naturally, you can plan it out when you play in a 7 man division, but it's a lot harder to get the right choice doing random ops.

[Max_Battle]

I have seen many RanOps fail since the change.

I'm actually feeling very patient with pugs atm.

Many people are trying them for the first time and we are ALL trying them for the first time with higher tiers.

I'm absolutely happy and excited for new RanOps.

But people will take time to get used to them.

People (including myself) have often underestimated the power of the new Skynet foes.

[UnderTheRadarAgain]

Not wrong there Max. The bots have insane accuracy. I have only taken T8 ships - mostly fast firing cruisers, and have been quite successful. But every time there is a player in a T6 cruiser, I feel really sorry for them.

[Bullet_Force]

From my observations the hardest mission appears to be Hermes. Still yet to get win in that operations. Those 2 or 3 destroyers at the end in the smoke always seem to delete our team with torps.

The easier one for me has always been Killer Whale unless you get idiot greedy team mates who refuse to go to the end location within the allocated time.........

[Paladinum]

These Ops are only difficult when your teams are full of greedy f**kers: Cherry Blossom, K. Whale and TUF. K. Whale is extra hard because it requires the fewest number of surviving players as possible, but still needs one player to get to the escape zone. 

These Ops are difficult when your team doesn't give a **** about the main objectives: Hermes and Raptor. Also TUF sometimes.

Newport now is only difficult when your team is generically incompetent.

Narai is kinda funny because now, if you go too far ahead alone, the AI will wreck you. So now it's better to stay with the ally green ships than trying to solo the base.

 

Right now though, most Ops can be difficult because some players are still new to certain Ops, or all Ops. And the enemies are insanely strong sometimes if your team is all T8. They are certainly no Stormtroopers.

 

[Mechfori]

I've try all T6 /7/8 , BB cruisers and DD , you can do ok in a T7 BB but T8 give you quality of life improvement, quite a bit , T6 can sometimes be harsh but overall playable still.

T6 Cruisers sure is tough , just staying alive can sometimes be all one can do but payout is good , T7 is fine but again T8 give you the quality of life improvement

DD is IMHO the least affected , how you play DD before you basically still play them the same , though being specialist some are just more equal than others , T8 DD got the all important 5th slot upgrade and that concealment means a lot , I've taken Asashio and Akizuki into Hermes and come out top , winning and surviving it. 

I do agree a lot might be just new hands coming in and they either still play as random , co- op and/or totally not knowing and not having a clue when to do what .. it will take time , I've found myself talking a lot more on the chatting just to tell people what's coming and this and that..

[RalphTheTheatreCat]

The winrates will increase once players understand the operations and work out how to play them properly.

 

[IJN_Katori]

Tough Ride with the Stock Amagi but all Conditions are cleared

[Grygus_Triss]

5 hours ago, Max_Battle said:

I have seen many RanOps fail since the change.

I'm actually feeling very patient with pugs atm.

Many people are trying them for the first time and we are ALL trying them for the first time with higher tiers.

I'm absolutely happy and excited for new RanOps.

But people will take time to get used to them.

People (including myself) have often underestimated the power of the new Skynet foes.

The higher chance of failure arguably makes it more fun. Ops is no longer the easy rewards and win it used to be.

As someone who remembers when Ops were first introduced, I wouldn't say the current failure rate is greater than it was back then. I'm sure it will get easier to win as more people get familiar with the ops.

The tricky thing is, no two ops are the same, and require different tactics, and to actually know the objectives.

One of the hardest things with Cherry Blossom is knowing when you've thinned the enemies enough to start focusing the airfields before time runs out.

[mr_glitchy_R]

11 hours ago, Max_Battle said:

People (including myself) have often underestimated the power of the new Skynet foes.

That's the worst thing about Hermes so far. I've been in Amagi once and was targeted by enemies in the entire match, even the AP bombers. And then there's my friendly Brandenburg farming damage alone while being unharmed most of the time despite of them being really close to enemies. I'm really not sure how AI in this particular Operation even work to begin with. Once I'm considered as a bait since start, I will be seen as such by the rest of the enemy until the end of the battle. Gotta hate it when this happens.

[Mechfori]

That had always been the case with the bots, they can be stubborn when fixated on one target and ignore even much greater thread , be the one on the receiving end , of course , is no fun at all , DD and Cruisers seems to be prioritized

[Max_Battle]

4 hours ago, mr_glitchy_R said:

That's the worst thing about Hermes so far. I've been in Amagi once and was targeted by enemies in the entire match, even the AP bombers. And then there's my friendly Brandenburg farming damage alone while being unharmed most of the time despite of them being really close to enemies. I'm really not sure how AI in this particular Operation even work to begin with. Once I'm considered as a bait since start, I will be seen as such by the rest of the enemy until the end of the battle. Gotta hate it when this happens.

 

2 hours ago, Mechfori said:

That had always been the case with the bots, they can be stubborn when fixated on one target and ignore even much greater thread , be the one on the receiving end , of course , is no fun at all , DD and Cruisers seems to be prioritized

Even so, I have really felt focused when in a T8 BB and far less so in CA/CL and/or DD.

Edit: Example - Aegis. I was in Zeiten and someone else was on Heinrich. The Heinrich was absolutely in hand to hand with the final spawns in the top right and was very damaged. I had been focused earlier and had taken a more cirsumspect route through the islands but appeared in time to help the brave Heinrich tank the final spawns away from the transports.

Even though the Heinrich was pretty much dead, as soon as I appeared around the island, I was focused by all the bots he was in hand to hand with.

I had more health and was further away - he was in hand to hand with all of them and they still all turned their guns on me.

Skynet decided that a healthy T8 BB at distance was a better target than a nearly dead T7 BB on top of them.

[dejiko_nyo]

SO EASY OPS.

[Admiral_Karasu]

On 9/18/2022 at 2:03 AM, UnderTheRadarAgain said:

Which CV's? The CV's with HE bombs are an obvious choice, how about the German and Japanese CV's and Enterprise - with their AP bombs, do they work as well? Just thinking about the options.

Ignore the ships and go straight for the airfields.

Naturally, you can plan it out when you play in a 7 man division, but it's a lot harder to get the right choice doing random ops.

To my knowledge, with some like the German CV with AP you run into trouble. The problem here is that since the operations are random, you can't indeed actually know what you will need in advance.

[legionary2099]

Hint : it is much easier if you do it with friends instead of random bros.

I have rarely lost any operation matches. Just play with a 3 man division and it should work.

You are only royally screwed if you pick truly awful ship like Cherbourg or ship with no AA in ops with a ton of planes (Hermes looking at you).

[Mechfori]

2 hours ago, legionary2099 said:

Hint : it is much easier if you do it with friends instead of random bros.

I have rarely lost any operation matches. Just play with a 3 man division and it should work.

You are only royally screwed if you pick truly awful ship like Cherbourg or ship with no AA in ops with a ton of planes (Hermes looking at you).

well easier said than done , many had a real life job or school to attain to , cannot just show up when ever it demands , using just whatever time that life might allow , thus they had to go in playing as they could with the time thus allowed ... picking the ship might be easier but still you can had issues , its Random so you do not know which Op you might end up with , some ships are just too specialized or spec one way or the other, making them ill suited to certain Op while OK on others ( picture playing Asashio in Cherry Blossom )