Combating CV's and campaign requirements which use CV's

[Ensign_Brendoonigan]

 Hi guys,

Whilst I'm not a great fan of CV's I've realised that the best way to combat CV's is to play them to learn their strengths and weaknesses.

I've also discovered a lot of campaigns require tier 8 CV's to get the rewards, so feel I've really got to take a step towards them to complete these missions. 

Is there a line which is better to learn on? I'm also weighing up a tier 8 prem as well to do some of the campaigns on so ideally need to consider this as well.

IJN has Kaga and Soviet has Chkalow which both appear to do well in random (by experienced players), but I am unsure about the UK (Indomitable, considered Ark Royal but can't do tier 8 missions with her), US (Saipan) or German (heard hard to learn). 

Any thoughts and advice appreciated. 

Cheers

[UnderTheRadarAgain]

KAGA is the easiest T8 CV to "learn" on. Bare in mind if you play in randoms that your team will HATE you for learning at T8.

You are better off playing the lines from T4. There is a steep learning curve even then, so why make it even steeper by going straight in at T8.

I'm not a CV player either, but I have just about all of the tech tree CV's (only one I don't have is the new Soviet T10 - still grinding the T8 in co-op mainly). But that said, high tier cv's are extremely challenging to play well - ignore Flamu etc with all their anti-cv hate. CV's require higher skill sets levels than perhaps even DD's.

[S4pp3R]

OK, the premiums are a different bundle entirely to the tech lines FYI.

Kaga is pretty good but I wouldn't pick her up without mastering Shokaku or Lexington, both of whom she shares traits with.

BUT, don't stress about CVs for Campaign tasks.

ANY task can be completed multiple times for stars to complete the Stage and thus the Campaign.

Basically, don't stress about task conditions, just repeat or do the tasks that are easiest for you as the best rewards are for the Campaign as a whole and then each Stage. I go back and clean up stray tasks when I've run out of Campaigns to complete.

[Max_Battle]

1 hour ago, Ensign_Brendoonigan said:

 Hi guys,

Whilst I'm not a great fan of CV's I've realised that the best way to combat CV's is to play them to learn their strengths and weaknesses.

I've also discovered a lot of campaigns require tier 8 CV's to get the rewards, so feel I've really got to take a step towards them to complete these missions. 

Is there a line which is better to learn on? I'm also weighing up a tier 8 prem as well to do some of the campaigns on so ideally need to consider this as well.

IJN has Kaga and Soviet has Chkalow which both appear to do well in random (by experienced players), but I am unsure about the UK (Indomitable, considered Ark Royal but can't do tier 8 missions with her), US (Saipan) or German (heard hard to learn). 

Any thoughts and advice appreciated. 

Cheers

I have over 30,000 games up my sleeve and with my vast experience I can honestly say...

 

 

...if you learn how to play CVs please teach me!

 

😄

 

[Ensign_Brendoonigan]

1 hour ago, UnderTheRadarAgain said:

KAGA is the easiest T8 CV to "learn" on. Bare in mind if you play in randoms that your team will HATE you for learning at T8.

You are better off playing the lines from T4. There is a steep learning curve even then, so why make it even steeper by going straight in at T8.

I'm not a CV player either, but I have just about all of the tech tree CV's (only one I don't have is the new Soviet T10 - still grinding the T8 in co-op mainly). But that said, high tier cv's are extremely challenging to play well - ignore Flamu etc with all their anti-cv hate. CV's require higher skill sets levels than perhaps even DD's.

 

@UnderTheRadarAgain I hear you about learning at tier 8 and it's not something I was considering. 

More along playing from tier 4 up in a line (like your saying), but also having a tier 8 for crew training etc once I'm semi competent. 

I can always crew train in co-op if needed.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

[Ensign_Brendoonigan]

1 hour ago, S4pp3R said:

OK, the premiums are a different bundle entirely to the tech lines FYI.

Kaga is pretty good but I wouldn't pick her up without mastering Shokaku or Lexington, both of whom she shares traits with.

BUT, don't stress about CVs for Campaign tasks.

ANY task can be completed multiple times for stars to complete the Stage and thus the Campaign.

Basically, don't stress about task conditions, just repeat or do the tasks that are easiest for you as the best rewards are for the Campaign as a whole and then each Stage. I go back and clean up stray tasks when I've run out of Campaigns to complete.

@S4pp3R Cheers, so Kaga would be a good option then, as it gives me some practice in 2 lines. I've got both ijn and the usn at tier 6's from quite some time ago (pre CV change), but am definitely thinking to spend some time at tier 4 again. Who knows, maybe I'll actually finish one of the lines.

I don't mind redoing some of the campaigns, but don't find it quite as rewarding finishing them again.

Cheers

[S4pp3R]

1 hour ago, Ensign_Brendoonigan said:

@S4pp3R Cheers, so Kaga would be a good option then, as it gives me some practice in 2 lines. I've got both ijn and the usn at tier 6's from quite some time ago (pre CV change), but am definitely thinking to spend some time at tier 4 again. Who knows, maybe I'll actually finish one of the lines.

I don't mind redoing some of the campaigns, but don't find it quite as rewarding finishing them again.

Cheers

No worries, just to clarify with the campaign things in case I've worded it poorly...

Tasks are the things you do for stars, they are repeatable.

Stages are a stage within the campaign, usually 6-10 of them and they reward decent things. You complete tasks to complete a stage.

 

For the CV lines, IJN and USN are generally stronger (except for SN atm in some conditions) because they are more consistent. I would not just pick up Kaga immediately, definitely master Shokaku and Lexington first.

[Mechfori]

to furter clarify, any Campaign had multiple stages , they are to be completed in succession by earning stars upon finishing individual TASK , each and every Task award a certain number of stars .. the thing is ... you can re-do the same Task over and over again and get rewarded the Stars again and again ( the actual reward, like signals, etc .. for finishing the Task will only reward upon that first time you finish the task though )

So if you find yourself having Task that you feel uncomfortable or limited in your capacity to finish it, just accept an already finished task and re do it to earn those numbers of Stars again to fill the requirement for the said stage , no need to get suck with trying to play CV or any other type of ships or trying to do something you feel your current roster ill suited to accomplish

[legionary2099]

Best way to learn at CV is tier VI, not IV. Tier IV is just for teaching you how to drop. Tier VI will teach you how to drop and how to not do stupid crap with your planes.

Tier VI will have same and + 1 tier games where you have no fear of AA and just focus on connecting your strikes, they also have +2 game where you will need to think about which way you can go in and what to prey for.

Tier VIII is not great, you will be handicapped against OP CV opposition, deadly AA composition and in general frustration. More for advanced play, as will need to learn to bait turns and bait AA, taking caculated losts and single ship hounding. If you want easy mode and no premium , the tier VIII tech tree british CV is actually the most comfortable CV to play and learn.

Anything with AP is subjected to RNG, need a lot of confidence to strike and accept frustration in misses. When you are comfortable with hitting HE, hitting with AP next would be very nice. Drop height have a huge impact on AP bomb performance, adding difficulty to the curve.

Tier X techtree CV is a completely different game. Each CV is so unique and different that they in general require very different tactics and approach. British CV is the most boring, but most consistant. Soviet CV have massive alpha , but very little spotting and up time. German CV are fast and highly RNG, but could in theory remove 1 ship from active play with a single strike. Japan CV focus solely on chain landing lethal torpedo strikes with AP bomb as back up. American CV is the most effective at dealing with DD and improvise on the spot, it is not specialized into picking certain ship in the line up.

Tier X special have FDR which solely focus on demolishing BB and Max Immel specializing in sniping CV. 
 

[Thyaliad]

No, Tier 8 is not the place to be learning CVs. I highly discourage you from buying a Premium to train with. You should start from Tier 4 and grind your way upwards.

The grind is tailored to ease you into CV gameplay. Tier 4 there is hardly any AA, so you are free to learn how to control your planes and how to strike targets. At Tier 6 AA starts to get more threatening, especially when you are bottom tier, so at that tier you will learn not to do anything stupid with your planes and learn how to pick your targets. Plus you get access to fighters - learn how to use them to spot or to zone the enemy CV.

At Tier 8 you should have more or less mastered the basics of CV gameplay. This tier is where your knowledge gets put to the test. This is not the tier to learn the basics. AA can be downright deadly when up against Tier 10 ships, while getting caught by fighters will wipe your almost your entire squadron.

For beginners I recommend starting with the US or UK CV lines, preferably US. These two are the most basic of CVs - US CVs are versatile cookie cutter CVs capable of doing good damage and threatening any target, while the UK CVs have squadrons which are easier to use but are more focused on stacking fire and flooding for their damage. The Lexington at Tier 8 is also a very good tech tree CV.

But if you really, absolutely must get a Tier 8 Premium CV, then you should get the Kaga. Chkalov is good too, but its one strike gimmick (like the rest of the Russian CV line) is too different from other CVs to serve as a learning aid. I don't recommend getting the other Premium Tier 8 CVs unless you are already an experienced CV player.

[Rub1c0n]

6 hours ago, Mechfori said:

to furter clarify, any Campaign had multiple stages , they are to be completed in succession by earning stars upon finishing individual TASK , each and every Task award a certain number of stars .. the thing is ... you can re-do the same Task over and over again and get rewarded the Stars again and again ( the actual reward, like signals, etc .. for finishing the Task will only reward upon that first time you finish the task though )

So if you find yourself having Task that you feel uncomfortable or limited in your capacity to finish it, just accept an already finished task and re do it to earn those numbers of Stars again to fill the requirement for the said stage , no need to get suck with trying to play CV or any other type of ships or trying to do something you feel your current roster ill suited to accomplish

That is what I did however I am now going back and trying to complete the ones I did not do and like the OP I find I have to do some CV ones.

My question is, even though I have completed the campaign, is there an additional bonus for completing every mission within the campaigns?  Perhaps a unique commander?  That is the only reason I am bothering to do them, my preference is to never have to touch a CV.

[Skarhabek]

9 hours ago, Ensign_Brendoonigan said:

Whilst I'm not a great fan of CV's I've realised that the best way to combat CV's is to play them to learn their strengths and weaknesses

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.... i always tell people to play CV if they plan to go againts it.... its really usefull especially for DD captain.

 

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everyone said to play low tier.... BUT AGAIN, WHAT EXACTLY YOUR FIRST PURPOSE?? yep... its the experience that you need.... therefore...

GO PLAY TIER 8 CV!!!

the best, the gold, and the most brutal tier for all ship! SKIP THE BULLSHIT AND THROW YOURSELF IN HELL!

 

1. THE BRUTAL EXPERIENCE WILL QUICKLY IMPROVE YOUR SKILL....
- know what should CV doing, know what to avoid, know who is easy targer, know how to deal and dislodged the problem....
- THE REAL AA IS HERE! IF YOU QUICKLY LEARN ABOUT THIS, playing other tier will be piece of cake

2. Play T8 tech tree CV WILL REWARD YOU T10 CV...... SKIP THE LOW TIER
- play T4 will get you T6, play T6 will get you T8..... its obvious....
- T4 and T6 HAVE LOW XP MODIFIER!.... it just waste of time.... i free XP all the ship below T7
- along with improve your skill... after mastering CV.... you will be rewarded to T10 CV

3. T8 Premium CV is GOOD CREDIT GRINDER.... recommend Kaga for brainless, Saipan for challenge, Graf Zeppelin for high credit modifier, aaand Indomietable for sinking enemy CV.... 

4. Etc, etc..... just trust me bro

5. for tech tree ship your only top choice is USN CV >> German/IJN CV >> Russian CV >> British CV SUUUUCCXXXX

6. the good news is, T8 Premium CV is mostly good except some ship like Saipan and Graf Zeppelin require more brain.

 

BACK IN 2017 i was NOOB..... NO ONE SANE ENOUGH TO RECOMMEND ME PLAY RTS CV! BUT IT WAS JUST UNICUM CONSPIRACY to prevent Noob player nuking them in their surface ship...... its the truth!

Unicum player advice noob to avoid T8.... for what reason? of course TO AVOID RANDOM FACTOR so their win rate wont go down.....

BUT WHO CARES? THE BEST EXPERIENCE IS AT T8! i am gonna learn from it and become pro in no time :V

 

9 hours ago, UnderTheRadarAgain said:

CV's require higher skill sets levels than perhaps even DD's.

DD is currently hardest in game class.... its "RTS CV" that require extremely high floor skill.... the curent rework CV is piece of cake....

that is why i am quit playing CV except for easy credit gain.

 

DD IS THE BEST CLASSSSSSSSSSSS

REAL MAN PLAY DDeessssss!!!

[S4pp3R]

1 hour ago, Rub1c0n said:

That is what I did however I am now going back and trying to complete the ones I did not do and like the OP I find I have to do some CV ones.

My question is, even though I have completed the campaign, is there an additional bonus for completing every mission within the campaigns?  Perhaps a unique commander?  That is the only reason I am bothering to do them, my preference is to never have to touch a CV.

There's nothing special, it'd be cool if there were achievements for things like that but nope. I've completed all the campaigns so I just have the leftover tasks on in the background and slowly chip away at them. Some of the tasks in older campaigns are a tad absurd because they were added when the game was in a different meta and CVs did things differently.

Hope this helps!

[ChokeMeHardDaddyBondrewd]

13 hours ago, Ensign_Brendoonigan said:

 Hi guys,

Whilst I'm not a great fan of CV's I've realised that the best way to combat CV's is to play them to learn their strengths and weaknesses.

I've also discovered a lot of campaigns require tier 8 CV's to get the rewards, so feel I've really got to take a step towards them to complete these missions. 

Is there a line which is better to learn on? I'm also weighing up a tier 8 prem as well to do some of the campaigns on so ideally need to consider this as well.

IJN has Kaga and Soviet has Chkalow which both appear to do well in random (by experienced players), but I am unsure about the UK (Indomitable, considered Ark Royal but can't do tier 8 missions with her), US (Saipan) or German (heard hard to learn). 

Any thoughts and advice appreciated. 

Cheers

I would not recommend getting premiums as either learning them is too easy or they require mastering of basic skills you might not have yet. As well as for the reason that they are almost completely different to their tech tree counterparts.

If you want to learn how to play CVS, I would first recommend going to the Ryujo, then the Lexington, then Shokaku. As by doing so you will learn how to play with versatility and target selection. Also, I’ve posted this on another thread before, just go watch ReimuBakarei’s entire CV tutorial playlist on YouTube.

Last but not least if you need any help you can contact me via discord: Pentl#9713

Tip: if you don’t want to get blasted for being bad, don’t skip straight to T8, and get the premiums after you have experience.

[Reinhard_of_Avercland]

Well, T8 is where your ability to position properly matters a lot. Because you can be sniped by the Japanese & American BBs from their spawn areas easily on a lot of high tier maps. As you can see, I only had to drop my fighter near the Indomitable in order to keep it spotted. Most of the damage were dealt by the ARP Yamato & Missouri, and I only dealt the killing blow.

Most of the T8 CVs are not armored enough against the large caliber AP shells. Even the puny 380mm can be threatening when aimed right. And despite being the most armored one in T8, Indomitable can still be nuked when caught in a bad position.

It could have survived longer if it moved to the northeast instead. But it did not help much either when the others split up widely, as they left the center unchecked enough to let my planes fly to the Indomitable directly. The opposite were done by my teammates. They knew Indomitable can be a pain in the rear as its high speed carpet bomber squadron can strike any non-British CVs without losing a single plane due to its ability to slingshot through a single layer of AA. So they formed 2 layers of AA in front of my Kaga as a precaution, and disbanded themselves once the Indomitable was sunk.

[Mechfori]

9 hours ago, Rub1c0n said:

That is what I did however I am now going back and trying to complete the ones I did not do and like the OP I find I have to do some CV ones.

My question is, even though I have completed the campaign, is there an additional bonus for completing every mission within the campaigns?  Perhaps a unique commander?  That is the only reason I am bothering to do them, my preference is to never have to touch a CV.

other than the individual award for specific Task , and an Accomplishment batch to be rewarded upon completing ALL task in a Campaign , AFAIK, there is no additional reward 

[Rub1c0n]

10 minutes ago, Mechfori said:

other than the individual award for specific Task , and an Accompaniment batch to be rewarded upon completing ALL task in a Campaign , AFAIK, there is no additional reward 

Yeah as S4pp3r said.  Suffice to say I will not be chasing the CV awards.  Been a tough few days against 2 x CV in T8 fights. I do hate them with a passion.  

[legionary2099]

Just now, Rub1c0n said:

Yeah as S4pp3r said.  Suffice to say I will not be chasing the CV awards.  Been a tough few days against 2 x CV in T8 fights. I do hate them with a passion.  

2 CV games are fun. It's like doing bareback.

[EULA_violator]

17 hours ago, Ensign_Brendoonigan said:

 

@UnderTheRadarAgain I hear you about learning at tier 8 and it's not something I was considering. 

More along playing from tier 4 up in a line (like your saying), but also having a tier 8 for crew training etc once I'm semi competent. 

I can always crew train in co-op if needed.

 

Cheers

if you want to train mechanical skills, play ryujo at T6

if you want to learn positioning, awareness and such, play Lexington at T8

[Rub1c0n]

36 minutes ago, legionary2099 said:

2 CV games are fun. It's like doing bareback.

Yeah funny that I am not keen on horses at all either  😜

 

[Sharr_Dextera]

IMHO, Tier 4 CVs are for learning all about CV.

At tier 6 it's still good tier to learn about CV, but at tier 6 to 8 most other ship class players (honestly, including myself) are expecting our teammate CV are good CV player.

At tier 10, IDK, I guess you must be a very good or unicum CV player to meet your teammates expectation. So it's not a territory that you still in process to learn about CV.

As for myself, I hold my CV line at tier 6 (except the Soviet, for some/particular reason) and use them for mission objectives that require CV. For mission that required tier 8 or 10 CV, I guess I'll skip them.

[ChokeMeHardDaddyBondrewd]

26 minutes ago, Sharr_Dextera said:

IMHO, Tier 4 CVs are for learning all about CV.

At tier 6 it's still good tier to learn about CV, but at tier 6 to 8 most other ship class players (honestly, including myself) are expecting our teammate CV are good CV player.

At tier 10, IDK, I guess you must be a very good or unicum CV player to meet your teammates expectation. So it's not a territory that you still in process to learn about CV.

As for myself, I hold my CV line at tier 6 (except the Soviet, for some/particular reason) and use them for mission objectives that require CV. For mission that required tier 8 or 10 CV, I guess I'll skip them.

For CVS, T6 is still by far the best place to learn the class. T4 is way too easy and only exists to teach you how to drop properly. 

[Ensign_Brendoonigan]

Cheers guys. 

From all of the above I can deduce that having a CV premium is a bit of a waste at this stage, as they tend to operate differently from the tech trees. 

I'm also better off learning at tiers 6-8, on both the USN and IJN lines. This, so I can get the best all round understanding of them. 

Best thing then for me is to pick up the perma camos for both tier 6's, then do the same at tier 8. Cheap enough and I like the look of them. 

Cheers