German/French/other speculative cruiser "designs"

[Paladinum]

These are my speculative designs for some future cruiser lines. With visual aid. Yay!

DISCLAIMERS: NOTHING is to scale. The placement of everything is NOT proportional or practical. All images are made by me and are ONLY for illustrative purposes. This is NOT a ship line speculation thread, this is a DESIGN speculation thread.

The super cruiser line is much "historically accurekt" than the CL line. The designs are all there.

 

GERMAN LIGHT CRUISERS

T5/6: Modified Spähkreuzer 1940

4x2 Dual-purpose 150 mm (the middle turret replaces one set of torpedo tubes)

1x5 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

 

T5/6/7: Modified M-class #1

5x2 dual-purpose 128 mm

2x4 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

 

 

T6/7: Modified M-class #2

4x2 dual-purpose 150 mm

2x2 dual-purpose 88 mm

2x4 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

 

T6/7: Modified M-class #3

4x2 Dual-purpose 150 mm

4x2 dual-purpose 88 mm

No torpedo

Spoiler

 

T8/9: Modified M-class #4

5x2 dual-purpose 150 mm

4x3 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

 

T7/8/9: Modified Hipper-class

3x3 dual-purpose 150 mm

5x2 dual-purpose 128 mm

4x3 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

 

T7/8/9: Modified Enhanced Hipper-class (in-game Roon) #1

3x3 dual-purpose 150 mm

7x2 dual-purpose 128 mm

4x3 -or- 2x4 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

 

T9/10: Modified Enhanced Hipper-class (in-game Roon) #2

4x3 dual-purpose 150 mm

10x2 dual-purpose 105 mm

4x4 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

 

T9/10: Modified Enhanced Hipper-class (in-game Roon) #3

4x3 dual-purpose 150 mm

6x2 dual-purpose 128 mm

4x4 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

 

 

GERMAN SUPER CRUISERS

T7: Modified D-class

2x3 283 mm

2x3 single/dual-purpose 150 mm

6x2 dual-purpose 128 mm

2x4 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

 

T8 would be P-design - enhanced D-class with somewhat better protection and armament (still 2x3 283 however). That ship would get the all 128 mm turrets for uniform secondary armament. I don't make that image because it'd look basically the same as the "Modified D-class" above.

 

T9: Modified O-class #1

3x3 283 mm

2x3 single/dual-purpose 150 mm

6x2 dual-purpose 105 mm

2x4 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

 

T9/10: Modified O-class #2

3x3 283 mm

3x3 single-purpose 150 mm

6x2 dual-purpose 105 mm

2x4 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

I do recognize that there can also be a modified O-class with 3x3 283 mm with all 128 mm dual-purpose secondary, but that is just Agir with smaller main guns.

 

T10: Modified Project 1047

3x3 283 mm

6x2 dual-purpose 128 mm

2x4 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

The German designed Project 1047 (closest in-game representative is Golden Lewd). Just feels right to include this design in the German tree. Same as T-61!

 

T10: "Super" O-class

4x3 283 mm

4x2 single/dual-purpose 150 mm

6x2 dual-purpose 105 mm

2x4 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

The other T10 is, of course, Agir with 4x3 305, but let's save that design for a Coal ship.

 

[Paladinum]

FRENCH LIGHT CRUISERS

The twin and quad 130 mm turrets are Dunkerque's secondary.

 

T5/6: Modified La Galissoniere-class

4x2 dual-purpose 130 mm

2x3 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

 

 

T6: Modified La Galissoniere-class

3x3 dual-purpose 152 mm

3x2 dual-purpose 100 mm

2x3 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

 

 

T7/8: Modified La Galissoniere-class

3x4 dual-purpose 130 mm

2x3 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

 

 

T7/8: Modified Saint-Louis-class preliminary #1 (in-game Charles Martel)

2x4 2x2 dual-purpose 130 mm

2x3 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

 

 

T7/8: Modified Saint-Louis-class preliminary #2 (in-game Charles Martel)

3x3 dual-purpose 152 mm

5x2 dual-purpose 100 mm

2x3 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

 

 

T8/9: Modified Saint-Louis-class #1

3x3 dual-purpose 152 mm

1x4 dual-purpose 130 mm

2x4 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

 

 

T9/10: Modified Saint-Louis-class #2

4x3 dual-purpose 152 mm

4x2 dual-purpose 100 mm

2x3 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

 

 

T9/10: Modified Saint-Louis-class #3

3x3 dual-purpose 130 mm

3x2 dual-purpose 100 mm

2x4 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

 

 

T10: Modified Saint-Louis-class #4

4x4 dual-purpose 130 mm

2x4 533 mm TTs

Spoiler

 

[Paladinum]

[Comment reserved for the Italian CL line or any other]

[If I ever get around for those]

[I'm lazy]

[Paladinum]

@S0und_Theif you asked what kind of FXP ships I want... I think.

1. French: 2x4 203 AB (all-gun-forward) with MBRB (T9/10)
2. Same as above but A-X turret layout (like the Champagne) (T9)
3. Saint-Louis clone with different consumables (T9). Emergency Speed Boost (on Ragnar)
4. German 3x3 203 AB-X (T9)
5. German 4x2 203 AB-XY, with long-ranged torps (like Schultz/Elbing) and better guns (10s reload). Hipper clone (T9)
6. IJN 4x2 203 AB-XY with long-ranged torps (like 15km on Yuudachi). Think Ibuki but with Maya's AA refit (T9)
7. Ibuki clone with crappy torps, but better guns (10s reload) and Speed Boost (T9/10)
8. Brindisi clone with no SAP, only HE & AP (T9)
9. British 4x3 203 AB-XY that I've mentioned in my RN CA speculation thread (T9/10)

 

[S0und_Theif]

2 hours ago, Paladinum said:

French: 2x4 203 AB (all-gun-forward) with MBRB (T9/10)

Same as above but A-X turret layout (like the Champagne) (T9)

 

2 hours ago, Paladinum said:

Saint-Louis clone with different consumables (T9). Emergency Speed Boost (on Ragnar)

A possible T10 version.

3 x 4. Just like Conde.

 

2 hours ago, Paladinum said:

German 3x3 203 AB-X (T9)

Seriously, why WG still have not done this?

They can take Scharnhorst or Gneisenau design as inspiration.

Secondaries will be either 88 mm or 105 mm.

 

2 hours ago, Paladinum said:

German 4x2 203 AB-XY, with long-ranged torps (like Schultz/Elbing) and better guns (10s reload). Hipper clone (T9)

Give them 4 x 4 torpedoes so they can be justified as T9.

Alternatively, 4 x 5 torpedoes, but Hipper torpedo damage and range.

Elbing Torpedoes = 16,533 at 13 km
Z-44 Torpedoes = 13,700 at 6 km

 

2 hours ago, Paladinum said:

IJN 4x2 203 AB-XY with long-ranged torps (like 15km on Yuudachi). Think Ibuki but with Maya's AA refit (T9)

I like it.

Let's also put the HSF Harekaze flavor into this ship.

Hull B will give this ship 4 x 3 - 155 mm guns. Though you will have to change captains everytime if you want to switch between 203 mm and 155 mm.

 

Alternate design, a 3 x 3 - 203 mm version of the ship.

Kind of like a Zao but with no X-turret.

 

2 hours ago, Paladinum said:

Brindisi clone with no SAP, only HE & AP (T9)

Yes to this, but 1 question?

Is secondaries SAP or HE?

 

2 hours ago, Paladinum said:

British 4x3 203 AB-XY that I've mentioned in my RN CA speculation thread (T9/10)

This one is quite easy to implement.

By easy, I mean the model already exist. Just need to tweak it.

Albemarle with an X-turret.

 

I also want the T8 Cheshire to have an X-turret.

While the 6 gun "Cheshire" will be bumped down to T7.

WG could just add that turret to current T8 cheshire owners while the old 6-gun model gets renamed and sold as a T7 with T7 price.

Current T8 owners gets a buff, WG can still sell the ship at T8, no impact to AL players, and the old model gets reused as T7 without spending too much time on modeling a new one.

Win-Win-Win-Win.

 

2 hours ago, Paladinum said:

Ibuki clone with crappy torps, but better guns (10s reload) and Speed Boost (T9/10)

What about the IJN DD approach.

All things the same except, the HE shell does almost the same damage as the AP shell?

 

This makes it as an IJN flavor. Slow reload, slow turret traverse, but the HE will hurt and have accurate guns.

While also being vulnerable to citadel. Since IJN ships don't have armor. (I learned that the hard way from the Yoshino.)

[Paladinum]

16 minutes ago, S0und_Theif said:

 3 x 4. Just like Conde.

Wait, Conde has 203 mm guns or 240 mm? 

3x4 203 is entirely possible (and preferable) if Conde is 240 mm.

 

17 minutes ago, S0und_Theif said:

They can take Scharnhorst or Gneisenau design as inspiration.

Or just remove the X turret from Hindenburg and put a 1x3 150 there... Downtier to 9, voila.

 

18 minutes ago, S0und_Theif said:

Z-44 Torpedoes = 13,700 at 6 km

Z-44's torps are 12 km. But I want more range, so the one on Elbing (13,5 km) is my choice.

 

20 minutes ago, S0und_Theif said:

Alternate design, a 3 x 3 - 203 mm version of the ship.

Kind of like a Zao but with no X-turret.

I thought of that but I feel like it's not very... Japanese (?)

Of course, it's entirely possible.

Or a 3x2 203 with 10s reload (T9) but with the best Japanese torps there are.

 

19 minutes ago, S0und_Theif said:

Is secondaries SAP or HE?

No SAP. Me no like SAP.

 

22 minutes ago, S0und_Theif said:

All things the same except, the HE shell does almost the same damage as the AP shell?

This is still a CA, so that would be strange I think. I mean, my focus on this ship suggestion is like the Yoshino - the torps are there but they are extremely hard to use. The guns are far more reliable. Could be even more fun if this ship has Speed Boost.

 

30 minutes ago, S0und_Theif said:

This one is quite easy to implement.

I would like to see this on the CW CR line, if WG ever want to add the CW tree, that is.

[S0und_Theif]

10 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

Wait, Conde has 203 mm guns or 240 mm? 

3x4 203 is entirely possible (and preferable) if Conde is 240 mm.

You are correct.

Conde is 240 mm.

My theorycraft is 203 mm of Conde at T10.

 

Plus, I like Conde's exhaust compared to Hernry IV.

Hernry IV's exhaust looks incomplete.

 

12 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

Or just remove the X turret from Hindenburg and put a 1x3 150 there... Downtier to 9, voila.

That is good.

That is way better, faster, and more economical to implement.

 

13 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

I thought of that but I feel like it's not very... Japanese (?)

Of course, it's entirely possible.

Or a 3x2 203 with 10s reload (T9) but with the best Japanese torps there are.

An IJN Tulsa?

hmmmm....

It would be interesting.

 

14 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

This is still a CA, so that would be strange I think. I mean, my focus on this ship suggestion is like the Yoshino - the torps are there but they are extremely hard to use. The guns are far more reliable. Could be even more fun if this ship has Speed Boost.

Ah, I can now see your approach.

I don't think some players will like this idea, but, put Satsuma's Combat Instruction on the cruiser.

 

I'm thinking that the Engine boost might be too much for her.

 

I'm also thinking the Azuma - Yoshino approach.

Delete the torpedo armament all together and make the gun reliable.

Possible for MBRB.

 

14 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

I would like to see this on the CW CR line, if WG ever want to add the CW tree, that is.

I think they want.

But (this is me speculating) either:

WG still can not find a balance for the Crawling Smoke gimmick.
or
WG still can not find a niche to differenciate RN and CWoN gameplay.
or
WG being WG and is bieing childish about the LWM incident.
(I mean WG wants to take revenge against anyone who does not like their vision.)

That is just my speculation.

[Paladinum]

8 hours ago, S0und_Theif said:

An IJN Tulsa?

Still has torps, but mediocre ones, like the 10 km on Myoko. Also I don't expect that ship to have 6s reload time. 10s is pushing it.

Not exactly a candidate for T9. T7 at best.

 

8 hours ago, S0und_Theif said:

That is just my speculation.

My speculation is that they want to keep Canadian/Australian players around as long as possible, because they know the CW players want their tree.

The current development cycle of tech tree boats has been (mostly) 1 fantasy line (no one expects/cares/wants) then 1 real line (many people expect/care/want) then 1 fantasy line, and so on.

Even if the CW lines are the most unsurprising/boring sh*t ever, people will get them regardless, it has been tooooooooooooooooooooooooo long.

[S0und_Theif]

10 hours ago, Paladinum said:

Still has torps, but mediocre ones, like the 10 km on Myoko. Also I don't expect that ship to have 6s reload time. 10s is pushing it.

Not exactly a candidate for T9. T7 at best.

Nelson FXP replacement.

 

10 hours ago, Paladinum said:

My speculation is that they want to keep Canadian/Australian players around as long as possible, because they know the CW players want their tree.

The current development cycle of tech tree boats has been (mostly) 1 fantasy line (no one expects/cares/wants) then 1 real line (many people expect/care/want) then 1 fantasy line, and so on.

Even if the CW lines are the most unsurprising/boring sh*t ever, people will get them regardless, it has been tooooooooooooooooooooooooo long.

I think WG should do it sooner than later. Probably announce it in their 2nd half roadmap.

That will keep the hype up and, to an extent, keep CWoN players around long enough.

 

After the LWM incident, most have lost interest in the game and some have left the game.

[Paladinum]

18 minutes ago, S0und_Theif said:

Nelson FXP replacement.

Not replacement, peer.

 

18 minutes ago, S0und_Theif said:

Probably announce it in their 2nd half roadmap.

Of 2030?

[S0und_Theif]

2 hours ago, Paladinum said:

Of 2030?

2022.

 

2030 is too long, and we all know WG effs-up the game time and time again.

I have not yet seen WG redeem themselves from their eff-ups.

 

2030 may be a shadow of it's former self. I see 3 possibilities.

1. WoWs is still up and running, but not like the fun WoWs we had in 2015. Most veteran players are gone, some veteran players remain. Most are now populated by players who does not know the game or bots. Like Ragnarok OL.
2. WoWs is no longer up and running. It is a GaaS (Game as a Service) after all.
3. WoWs is still up and running, but it is not run by the publisher WG. It is run by the community. Just like older titles such as Red Alert 1 or (for a short time before it was taken down by the publisher) World of Warcraft Classic.

[Paladinum]

If WoW can get through 15 years, WoWS can. But how well it pulls through another 5 years is another matter altogether.

[S0und_Theif]

8 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

If WoW can get through 15 years, WoWS can. But how well it pulls through another 5 years is another matter altogether.

Hear, Hear!