Ohio or Slava, Research Bureau

[Andy_Siau]

Seems like many SLAVA s are now TOP players in Random Battles...
May take Slava over Ohio as my FIRST ship from Research Bureau... BUT again, Ohio hmmmm...

[iDd_Sloth]

Slava is advocated by a lot of people but personally I love Ohio. And that coming Incomparable too. Big accurate guns make a lot of things right.

[DDayCobra]

Interesting that Flamu has a video on the Slava just now...

[S4pp3R]

Neither

Yamato is better than both if played with UU.

Get something dynamic or unique, Vampire II, Emilio or one of the others.

IMO.

[angeloalexei]

Ohaiyo :)

[Plymouth_MyWife_PrPr]

Colbert because it's historical and a great looking ship 

[Andy_Siau]

On 7/17/2021 at 6:22 AM, S4pp3R said:

Neither

Yamato is better than both if played with UU.

Get something dynamic or unique, Vampire II, Emilio or one of the others.

IMO.

Perhaps my 1st RB ship get OHIO... next Vampire II or Emilio

[S4pp3R]

1 hour ago, Andy_Siau said:

Perhaps my 1st RB ship get OHIO... next Vampire II or Emilio

She's really not that great...

How many do you see in battles?

How often do you see them perform well?

By these metrics alone, get Slava or Vampire II.

But it's up to you, never let anyone else tell you what to do, but I would strongly suggest heeding all the advice you can.

I am 100% biased to V2, but I also think I would come to the same conclusions without my bias, take that for what you will.

[Andy_Siau]

1 minute ago, S4pp3R said:

She's really not that great...

How many do you see in battles?

How often do you see them perform well?

By these metrics alone, get Slava or Vampire II.

But it's up to you, never let anyone else tell you what to do, but I would strongly suggest heeding all the advice you can.

I am 100% biased to V2, but I also think I would come to the same conclusions without my bias, take that for what you will.

Got it... I do see alot of SLAVAs around...

[AdmiralYamamoto8]

Voted Ohio as per my reasoning in your other thread. But ya agree with S4pp3r that Yamato and Thunderer are better than both Slava and Ohio in the current meta. Tier for tier Georgia is stronger at t9 due to its gimmicks. Vampire is strong but not noob friendly as it loses its heal but can out dpm almost all DDs. 

[Metal_illness]

Although I spent my entire life exposed to USN history, and literally NOTHING about russian, I am in no way emotionally tied to USN ships, except maybe Arizona.

I'm in the same boat, but holding my RBP for now, if anything I'd go for Slava, or if I get a bout of quirkiness, I'd go Druid or Pablo Escobar.

But from all reviews, Slava gun accuracy is...off the charts. MAGIK!.

[Skarhabek]

On 7/17/2021 at 1:50 AM, iDd_Sloth said:

Slava is advocated by a lot of people but personally I love Ohio. And that coming Incomparable too. Big accurate guns make a lot of things right.

Ohio... slooow and lower penetration :V 

https://mustanghx.github.io/ship_ap_calculator/

 

Slava is the ultimate bullshit, HIGHER PEN THAN 510mm Shikishima at 15km and more! and higher pen than Yamato at ALL RANGE....

and the Accuracy is the most bullshit after all.... ship that never exist have insane accuracy.... cause of Russian Bias... more accurate than Ohio....

and all and all.... Slava dont have Russian BB drawback of limited DCP -_-

 

SLAVA.... the ULTIMATE RUSSIAN BIAS!

___________________________________________________________________

people that recommending Ohio must be afraid the power of Slava.... THE REAL RUSSO PACK PUNCH!

[Andy_Siau]

On 8/11/2021 at 6:45 PM, AdmiralYamamoto8 said:

Voted Ohio as per my reasoning in your other thread. But ya agree with S4pp3r that Yamato and Thunderer are better than both Slava and Ohio in the current meta. Tier for tier Georgia is stronger at t9 due to its gimmicks. Vampire is strong but not noob friendly as it loses its heal but can out dpm almost all DDs. 

Think I will have to agree with you... I am doing very well in my Massa, and with her 21-point Captain, might as well share her with the Ohio.
Btw, just citadel and sunk a Slava with my Massa when in a Tier 10 game. My Massa survived, both Slavas in the game, did not.
But next RB ship definitely the Vampire II

[Arzach]

On 7/17/2021 at 6:22 AM, S4pp3R said:

Neither

Yamato is better than both if played with UU.

Get something dynamic or unique, Vampire II, Emilio or one of the others.

IMO.

Is Yamato with UU really that good? 

[S4pp3R]

12 minutes ago, Arzach said:

Is Yamato with UU really that good? 

Yes.

It's one of the most accurate ships in the game at long ranges with UU.

It also overmatches 32 mm armour, which is the standard plating on T8-10 BBs.

These two elements mean it is arguably one of the strongest BBs in the game tier-for-tier.

BUT

It does have it's own range of weaknesses that are well known, not much AA, a poor frontal citadel shape to name a couple. A decent player can work with these however.

[UnderTheRadarAgain]

Every time I have taken my Slava into a random battle, I have been focused heavily and taken well over 2 million potential damage. The one game I managed to survive (and my only win in it so far) I took over 3.5 million potential damage. It's threat to the enemy is far greater than it's ability to survive or cause damage. Slava punishes broadsides severely. But thats all it does.

My experience in Ohio has not been much better. The guns are few in number and the RNG is a bloody TROLL. Even at 8km range and aiming at the upper belt, half my salvos fall short, and half go over the top. My first game, was a short range brawl where I was only able to do 25k damage in a game where I was among the last to die and it lasted 15 minutes. Salvo after salvo just straddled the enemy ships regardless of range. I have only taken it out 3 times so far, and every battle has not been all that much better than the first.

Both ships are very strong in co-op.

Unless you are a sucker for punishment, stick to Yamato.

[Arzach]

2 minutes ago, S4pp3R said:

Yes.

It's one of the most accurate ships in the game at long ranges with UU.

It also overmatches 32 mm armour, which is the standard plating on T8-10 BBs.

These two elements mean it is arguably one of the strongest BBs in the game tier-for-tier.

BUT

It does have it's own range of weaknesses that are well known, not much AA, a poor frontal citadel shape to name a couple. A decent player can work with these however.

Usually I played my Yamato at middle range below 20 km so accuracy isn't really a problem for me. I simply punished my enemies with DPM.

So far that tactic works for me and I deemed Yamato as a nasty, easy to play ship. Thus why I rarely played her and preferred Jean Bart who's much harder to use. 

My question is, will Yamato with UU increase my performance with my usual tactic or I need to change my tactic to get benefit of Yamato UU? 

[Skarhabek]

50 minutes ago, S4pp3R said:

Yes.

It's one of the most accurate ships in the game at long ranges with UU.

It also overmatches 32 mm armour, which is the standard plating on T8-10 BBs.

These two elements mean it is arguably one of the strongest BBs in the game tier-for-tier.

BUT

It does have it's own range of weaknesses that are well known, not much AA, a poor frontal citadel shape to name a couple. A decent player can work with these however.

Yamato or Slava? Who is more accurate?

 

Ma

[Reinhard_of_Avercland]

From what I've seen in battles, Slava  is straight up garbage. It doesn't have the ability to hard carry against steamroll, and requires the ship to be played as passive as Thunderer.

Yes it can be citadeled by 203mm even when not broadsiding. It happened before the last maintenance, so the replay won't open even if I have it.

And as the others said, Slava does not have the ability to overmatch cruiser deck. It is more or less a glorified Kremlin.

TL;DW:

Although the vertical dispersion is incredibly tight at max range, the horizontal dispersion is still terrible.

[S4pp3R]

1 hour ago, Arzach said:

My question is, will Yamato with UU increase my performance with my usual tactic or I need to change my tactic to get benefit of Yamato UU? 

Yes.

Yamato UU is in slot 6, in an optimal build it replaces reload buff. So you are trading reload for better accuracy.

This decision IMO on any BB is easy.

BBs are all about alpha strike so getting better at that (accuracy) is far more important than DPM.

7% better accuracy (which is what the UU gives) arguably reduces the dispersion ellipse size by far more than 7%. This is because the outer limits of the ellipse have more size. Basically it makes you around 15% ish more accurate.

Yamato is already very accurate, the UU makes her more so.

IJN BB dispersion is also better at longer ranges compared to other BBs.

This all stacks so that if your aim is good, Yama UU is an excellent choice and one of the few UUs that's a straight upgrade.

And I say if your aim is good because the better the player, the more they benefit from hyper accurate BBs, whereas a bit more RNG biases those with poorer skills as stray shells can hit the target if the aim is off.

I'm not belittling anyone but it's worth understanding to better understand in game choices to make.

[S4pp3R]

1 hour ago, Skarhabek said:

Yamato or Slava? Who is more accurate?

 

Ma

Slava most likely because less overmatch.