DO NOT BUY RIGGED DUTCH CRATES.

[IJN_Katori]

The entire context is in the video

 

[Skarhabek]

SERIOUSLY PEOPLE NEED TO STOP BUYING "Surprise Mechanic" !

BUY SHIP DIRECTLY, BUY SKIN, BUY anything that worth the effort....

 

that is why i am againts the Idea of removal ship, this create FOMO bullshit, and in the end appear in "surprise mechanic"

even if you get ship, its will be "current new crap ship".....

 

we have Weimar, Tiger59 and other crap sus as well.....

 

 

BUY DIRECTLY, no gambling

[iDd_Sloth]

Why would you want to pay for ships that are going to be FREE anyway?
Just so you'd be one of the first or get some flags, skip the grind, get tokens and other bundles that they put out?
Once you get it, now what? Race to T10 and be the first ... after that then what? Back to regular ships that you play?
Buy what you need directly. There's really no need to pay for free tech tree ships.
Yeah it's your money and you can do anything with it, but you're just encouraging the practice.

[Metal_illness]

I have whaled a test run of the scam boxes, so you don't have to:

(This was my first time actually trying hard and spending a lot of money to try and win a big prize from a scam box)

Amount spent: $161 AUD then a further $62 ish AUD= total $225 AUD ish.....

This is what I got....

A whole load of 2x special signals per "lucky box"....

AND THATS ABOUT IT.

DIDN'T get the tier 9 ship, DIDN'T even get the 80 tokens from the single "lucky box".

For the $225 AUD I got a few flying dutchman camos (already have thousands of camos)

Some extra "special" signals like basilisk, wyvern etc

10 dutch tokens per "lucky" box, which got me up to obtaining the tier 8 ship.

I'd need a further 45 "lucky" boxes to open to complete the chain openings, (there's only 2 perma camos remaining, but whilst opening the 45 more boxes I'd certainly get the tier 9 dutch tech tree ship).

This would cost 45,000 more gold, approximately another $240 AUD.

I'd set this as my aim, because I'm pretty damn sure I won't get the tier 9 ship until right near the last box.

Total for "lucky" box event would be some $460 AUD, or round it up to $500 AUD, because....WHO IS COUNTING EH WG??!.

I don't really see the value difference of going from the tier 8 that I now have to spending a further $240 AUD just to get the 1 tier higher tier 9 ship.

WG reckons it's value for money.

 

 

 

 

[Skarhabek]

GUYS REMEMBER, THIS WHOLE EVENT IS SCAM! 

 

FLYING DUTCHMAN GIVE only +100% TO COMMANDER XP???

WWWTTTTFFF worthless Camo!!

 

sheet i cannt hoard this one -_-

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and blessing for free Player.... guarantee T7 Tech Tree.... just do the mission

 

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THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS.... WHY WG SCAM THEIR SPENDER???

[Sharr_Dextera]

Now we know why they are urging to create new tech tree line so often in the short time.

For those people who sacrificing themselves to be a whale that bring us the truth... I respect them very deeply, a place in valhala are already preserved for them.

For those people who are the real and had the true blood of whale.... Please, don't be discouraged, and just keep buying the crates, for the all of us. You are the main reason why most of us can enjoy the game for free.

[S4pp3R]

Just now, Sharr_Dextera said:

I respect them very deeply, a place in valhala are already preserved for them.

And in Las Vegas... 

14 minutes ago, Metal_illness said:

I have whaled a test run of the scam boxes, so you don't have to:

Thankyou for this, I normally whale a few to see how it goes... But yeah, these really aren't worth it.

Your sacrifice is noted, commended and will be remembered.

[IJN_Katori]

 Do not burn your money for early access

 

 

Just buy Dutch Chocolate.

[dejiko_nyo]

Dutch Waifu better. >_>

[dejiko_nyo]

This is clearly gambling and should be regulated under the appropriate regulation. Someone in EU should raise up a complaint to the consumer protection agency.

Honestly, the old system of buying a crate for a mission drop for the ship was much more value. If I remember correctly, the old system netted you either: a ship mission OR 10-15 flags + 5-10 camo + collection. Now the value is so pathetic. A disposable camo plus 4 flags? It is clear that this is warscamming and that there is no value in the crates.

[Lowyat]

1 hour ago, Skarhabek said:

BUY DIRECTLY, no gambling

this

[ArseKrakenUnleashed]

2 hours ago, Metal_illness said:

I have whaled a test run of the scam boxes, so you don't have to:

(This was my first time actually trying hard and spending a lot of money to try and win a big prize from a scam box)

Amount spent: $161 AUD then a further $62 ish AUD= total $225 AUD ish.....

This is what I got....

A whole load of 2x special signals per "lucky box"....

AND THATS ABOUT IT.

DIDN'T get the tier 9 ship, DIDN'T even get the 80 tokens from the single "lucky box".

For the $225 AUD I got a few flying dutchman camos (already have thousands of camos)

Some extra "special" signals like basilisk, wyvern etc

10 dutch tokens per "lucky" box, which got me up to obtaining the tier 8 ship.

I'd need a further 45 "lucky" boxes to open to complete the chain openings, (there's only 2 perma camos remaining, but whilst opening the 45 more boxes I'd certainly get the tier 9 dutch tech tree ship).

This would cost 45,000 more gold, approximately another $240 AUD.

I'd set this as my aim, because I'm pretty damn sure I won't get the tier 9 ship until right near the last box.

Total for "lucky" box event would be some $460 AUD, or round it up to $500 AUD, because....WHO IS COUNTING EH WG??!.

I don't really see the value difference of going from the tier 8 that I now have to spending a further $240 AUD just to get the 1 tier higher tier 9 ship.

WG reckons it's value for money.

 

 

 

 

WOW, WG bent you over and didn't bother about the lube.....

[Metal_illness]

I could continue, but expecting exact same results as in the video of OP.

How on earth you are allowed to flaunt the name arse, when my ign Mudfart was so offensive it was banned... WG does strange things.

Inclusive of rigging loot boxes. It's not even gambling at this point with this evidence.

If I was to pursue the tier 9 tech tree ship that I can get for "free", here are some scary comparisons of what I could do with the same amount of money:

$500 AUD is 1/800 of my house mortgage

$500 AUD is 1/180 of my dream car (second hand Nissan GTR 2009)

$500 AUD is an entire days work

$500 AUD is  1/50 of my dream motorcycle ducati sport 1000 s 2008

$500 AUD is approximately 400 loaves of bread, or 16 haircuts or 1.8 years worth of haircuts.

So I'll stay with the tier 8 tech tree ship, grind xp now and by the time the ships are released I can immediately grab the tier 9 anyway, save over $200.

I pretty much got to the tier 8 ship for half a days work, technically much faster than the hours I'd have to spend grinding for it.

 

[Moggytwo]

3 hours ago, IJN_Katori said:

DO NOT BUY RIGGED DUTCH CRATES.

I haven't seen any indication that they are rigged.  Each bundle purchase gives you the same chance of getting De Witt as any other purchase (taken as a whole, obviously your chances of getting the ship on the next bundle goes up a little each time, although only up to a 50% chance of getting the ship on the next bundle after you have purchased 70, then 100% after 71).

There's no real reason for WG to rig them, because there are so many bundles that for everyone who wants De Witt and pushes through till they get it, WG will receive an average of 36000 doubloons worth of spending.  That doesn't count the people who try for it but give up after a while when they don't get it in the number of pulls they are willing to go for.  WG are going to make serious money with the system they have setup even without playing with the probabilities. So assuming it's a linear probability, every individual pull has a dismal 1.4% chance of getting De Witt.  For you to have a 50% chance of getting the ship, you'd have to do 36 bundles - so 36k spent for a 1 in 2 chance.  These are dismal numbers for anyone wanting the ship.  I don't think there is any underhanded stuff going on here though, otherwise it would likely look a bit more attractive.

Having said that, the main problem with these bundles is that, ignoring the ship, all the other rewards are just woefully bad value.  Four special flags and one single use camo for 1000 doubloons?  One Spring Sky type camo for 1000 doubloons?!    That is just incredibly terrible value.

They are obviously relying on the draw of people gambling to receive De Witt to entice players into paying for these other horrifically overpriced bundles.  It's not a good system, given it plays on some pretty vulnerable parts of the human psyche to make money for the company.  They would likely make more money if they just had bundles of reasonable value as well - if the bundles themselves were mildly attractive, people wouldn't feel quite so bad when they don't get De Witt.

 

2 hours ago, Metal_illness said:

Amount spent: $161 AUD then a further $62 ish AUD= total $225 AUD ish.....

This is what I got....

A whole load of 2x special signals per "lucky box"....

AND THATS ABOUT IT.

DIDN'T get the tier 9 ship, DIDN'T even get the 80 tokens from the single "lucky box".

For the $225 AUD I got a few flying dutchman camos (already have thousands of camos)

Some extra "special" signals like basilisk, wyvern etc

10 dutch tokens per "lucky" box, which got me up to obtaining the tier 8 ship.

I'd need a further 45 "lucky" boxes to open to complete the chain openings, (there's only 2 perma camos remaining, but whilst opening the 45 more boxes I'd certainly get the tier 9 dutch tech tree ship).

This would cost 45,000 more gold, approximately another $240 AUD. 

I'd set this as my aim, because I'm pretty damn sure I won't get the tier 9 ship until right near the last box.

Total for "lucky" box event would be some $460 AUD, or round it up to $500 AUD, because....WHO IS COUNTING EH WG??!.

2 hours ago, S4pp3R said:

Thankyou for this, I normally whale a few to see how it goes... But yeah, these really aren't worth it. 

I'm not quite sure of your math here - A$225 will get you 41500 doubloons, or enough to get 41 bundles, which should leave you 31 bundles remaining, not 45.  Or did you do the math for 1500 doubloon cost per bundle to work out your remaining cost requirement?

The total cost for 72 bundles is an absurd A$392.  For that you will get 256 special signals, 122 one time use camos, 6 "Spring Sky" style special one time use camos, 140 normal combat signals, 52 normal economic signals, one day of premium time, the tier 4, 6, 8 and 9 tech tree ships, and permacamos (with generally terrible bonuses) for the tiers 7 through 10.  Now this is absolutely horrifically bad value.

Note also that if you spend no money at all, and just play a moderate amount, you'll get the tiers 4, 5, 6, and 7 tech tree ships, 12 one time use camos, 12 normal economic signals, and the tier 7 permacamo.  Plus if you have two months worth of patience you can grind out the line from tier 7 for free, starting at tier 8 on patch day with nothing spent.

This has to be the worst value event that I have seen WG do, and these early access events are normally pretty poor value.

[Moggytwo]

Just further to my point above, if you want De Witt, and you decide to spend A$196 to try to get the ship, your money will net you a 1 in 2 chance of getting the ship.  You've paid $196 for a coin flip.

[Max_Battle]

4 hours ago, IJN_Katori said:

The entire context is in the video

 

Buy or not according to what you can afford or are willing to spend.

But don't imagine for a sec that someone saying, "I feel like these boxes are rigged" or "I feel like if you don't get it in the first ten boxes then stop trying" is any kind of science or accurate statistical research.

It's wrong to present a couple of personal experiences as universal fact - it's misleading nonsense.

It's also wrong to tempt people into gambling without knowing the odds.

CAVEAT EMPTOR!

Just because bait is dangled in front of you doesn't mean you have to swallow it.

Have some personal goddamned responsibility.

[Sharr_Dextera]

4 hours ago, Skarhabek said:

BUY DIRECTLY, no gambling

Yep...

[Metal_illness]

I believe in transparency, I share my findings with the "team".

My findings are following what the OPs video has revealed.

So far we have 2 FACTUALLY BASED experiments of how the "random" works in the gambling boxes, and it's all bad news, that being, the one main prize everyone spends for, is withheld behind the usual WG paywall. You MUST open many boxes before you will get the "lucky" one, THAT is what one refers to as "rigged".

I did just encounter the de witt tier 9 cruiser on enemy team, but unfortunately that player HASN'T come here to reveal how much money they spent to obtain the ship.

Now...about the tier 8 cruiser, it's a lot of fun, and a great ship, so far.

AA is good

Main guns are good, range 15.8km or so upgraded

Manoeuvrability is good

Conceal is 9.8kms or so fully upgraded

Parachute bombers gimmick is great fun, also comes with heal, hydro and def AA

They certainly do give island campers a shock.

Unfortunately...it means camping behind an island yourself, to launch attacks, LOL WG.

One thing everyone hasn't mentioned yet in between their opinions and all knowingness, is, when you do "win" a ship from the boxes, or save tokens for one, it comes fully upgraded for free, a small compensation I know, but a little something bonus, and a 10 pt captain. And once event is over, you can sell the ships you have for credits, so I will be selling my tier 4 and 6 ships, the 8 is a keeper at this stage.

 

 

[dejiko_nyo]

2 minutes ago, Metal_illness said:

Parachute bombed

Unfortunately it doesn't make your money which you could have used to buy a lot of pizzas come back. 😞

[Metal_illness]

5 games into it, mine is the only haarlem ive seen, but ive had 4 johans.

So a few players are either paying big money or getting extremely "lucky".

I ask each johan player how much, but not a single response yet.

 

[Mechfori]

Does not matter whether it's rigged or not ,what really boils down is that it's gambling trying to masquerade as DLC .. and we all know how bad it is with gambling, any gambling.

Gaming regulations and regulators world wide should move to stop such unchecked gambling whether it's your smartphones' new F2P card collection game or be it Wows on your PC

[1nfy]

4 hours ago, dejiko_nyo said:

Dutch Waifu better. >_>

Dutch Cafe' even better again, not to mention the Kebab afterwards...

[Max_Battle]

17 minutes ago, Mechfori said:

Does not matter whether it's rigged or not ,what really boils down is that it's gambling trying to masquerade as DLC .. and we all know how bad it is with gambling, any gambling.

Gaming regulations and regulators world wide should move to stop such unchecked gambling whether it's your smartphones' new F2P card collection game or be it Wows on your PC

I agree that it's gambling.

That's all anyone can say for sure.

It should be treated as gambling, I agree 100%.

But claiming to know the odds with no way of actually being able to determine the odds is just straight lying.

[Metal_illness]

And this is why we need players to state how its going for them, so we can find the odds.

data taken from players so far from youtube:

Friend got his JdW on box 1 My personal account: 72 boxes CIS press account: 49 boxes NA press account 1: 68 boxes NA press account 2: 6th box LittleWhiteMouse: 42 pulls Reimu: 22 pulls Painezor: 66 pulls

each "pull" is 1000 doubloons.

I had 8k doubloons left over and got inspired to use them and see my "luck"... ANDDDDDDD

got johan de witt on 51st pull.

51,000 doubloons.

This number seems to be about average.

[Max_Battle]

10 minutes ago, Metal_illness said:

And this is why we need players to state how its going for them, so we can find the odds.

data taken from players so far from youtube:

Friend got his JdW on box 1 My personal account: 72 boxes CIS press account: 49 boxes NA press account 1: 68 boxes NA press account 2: 6th box LittleWhiteMouse: 42 pulls Reimu: 22 pulls Painezor: 66 pulls

each "pull" is 1000 doubloons.

I had 8k doubloons left over and got inspired to use them and see my "luck"... ANDDDDDDD

got johan de witt on 51st pull.

51,000 doubloons.

This number seems to be about average.

How many players have gambled the full 72?

100?

500?

1000?

2000?

First, you don't know what the total pool of possible sources of information is. 

An unknown value.

How many of those unknown number of players who have a complete set of 72 rolls to report will come to this specific location and correctly report their results?

5%?

50%?

75%?

100%?

Second you don't know how many of the possible sources will tell you their results.

An unknown value.

So you have an unknown percent of players from an unknown number of players who have gambled the full 72 times upon which to base your calculated odds?

This is not science.