35 THE_BiRds_stRIke_BaCk_42 Member 175 posts 482 battles Report post #1 Posted June 26, 2021 (edited) Does anyone agree that they should expand the South American nation to a DD tech tree and maybe some cruisers? Tier 1 would probably be Paraguayan gunboats of Paraguay class (1931, 17 knots, 2x2 120mm/50 Ansaldo model 1926 guns and secondaries) Edited June 26, 2021 by THE_BiRds_stRIke_BaCk_42 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
18 [151ST] Rogue_Blade [151ST] Member 22 posts 8,182 battles Report post #2 Posted June 26, 2021 Like we have been requesting a Commonwealth tech tree, of which the options available have been put up a number of times. Unfortunately, those sort of tech lines aren't very important, so won't happen any time soon or in the medium term future. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
970 [WWS] Project45_Opytny Member 2,467 posts 14,072 battles Report post #3 Posted June 26, 2021 The Paraguay-class ocean-going river gunboats would certainly be a unique choice for T1 Patrol gunboat/sloop (a warship from a landlocked country) though there are many choices available. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,409 [-CAT-] S0und_Theif Member 6,356 posts 22,659 battles Report post #4 Posted June 26, 2021 Original Thread: But after seeing Netherlands splitting from Europe, updated thread: Note: Cruisers and Battleships are very incomplete. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
970 [WWS] Project45_Opytny Member 2,467 posts 14,072 battles Report post #5 Posted June 26, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, S0und_Theif said: Original Thread: But after seeing Netherlands splitting from Europe, updated thread: Note: Cruisers and Battleships are very incomplete. Some people suspected that why the Dutch cruisers are made into a separate tree may be related with some players once complaining that the Pan-European destroyer branch consists almost entirely of Swedish ships (though it may be argued that such an arrangement has made the tech tree more coherent and the evolution of ship parameters more logical in contrast to the Pan-Asian destroyers that varied wildly in the low to mid tiers in terms of main gun parameters and schools of naval architecture until the turn into USN surplus destroyers from Tier 8). As for the topic, enthusiastic Latin American players of the NA Community has already made much effort to collect warships and design proposals for a possible Pan-American tech tree. Though top tier cruiser and battleship remain vacant and would have to be filled with historical fictions in the style of HMCS Yukon. Edited June 26, 2021 by Project45_Opytny 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,409 [-CAT-] S0und_Theif Member 6,356 posts 22,659 battles Report post #6 Posted June 26, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Project45_Opytny said: Some people suspected that why the Dutch cruisers are made into a separate tree may be related with some players once complaining that the Pan-European destroyer branch consists almost entirely of Swedish ships (though it may be argued that such an arrangement has made the tech tree more coherent and the evolution of ship parameters more logical in contrast to the Pan-Asian destroyers that varied wildly in the low to mid tiers in terms of main gun parameters and schools of naval architecture until the turn into USN surplus destroyers from Tier 8). It could also mean that WG now have wiggle room to try different or new game gimmicks and not be limited to 11 nations / group of nations. 3 hours ago, Project45_Opytny said: As for the topic, enthusiastic Latin American players of the NA Community has already made much effort to collect warships and design proposals for a possible Pan-American tech tree. Though top tier cruiser and battleship remain vacant and would have to be filled with historical fictions in the style of HMCS Yukon. Pretty sure that WG may have also looked into US and European archives / ship building corporations who was bidding their ship proposal to Latin America. They probably may already have the 3D models finished (some are copy paste) and we just don't know how many is ready for reveal. Or they are probably delayed, since they do not have gimmicks planned yet or don't know waht gimmick to put in them. Edited June 26, 2021 by S0und_Theif Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
35 THE_BiRds_stRIke_BaCk_42 Member 175 posts 482 battles Report post #7 Posted June 26, 2021 The Paraguay class are the only class I could find that comes close to standard Tier 1 specs (4 barrels, 120mm or close guns, 17-25 knots, minimal armour). There’s certainly enough DDs though. I’m not sure what Tier 2 would be but after that it’s easy. Although the Chilean big 6-gun DDs from the start of WW1 would be a bit overpowered for Tier 3 or 4 and not advanced enough for beyond that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
35 THE_BiRds_stRIke_BaCk_42 Member 175 posts 482 battles Report post #8 Posted June 26, 2021 There’s definitely not enough battleships though, only 3 built classes and Wargaming got rid of a fourth when they made Agincourt an RN premium (it was laid down for Brazil, sold to Turkey while building and seized by Britain at the start of WW1). But you could fill some gaps in with unbuilt/proposed designs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
35 THE_BiRds_stRIke_BaCk_42 Member 175 posts 482 battles Report post #9 Posted June 27, 2021 There’s a few Vickers and Ansaldo proposed battleship designs for Argentina https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/gallery/all you have to scroll down a while to find them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
970 [WWS] Project45_Opytny Member 2,467 posts 14,072 battles Report post #10 Posted June 27, 2021 3 hours ago, THE_BiRds_stRIke_BaCk_42 said: There’s definitely not enough battleships though, only 3 built classes and Wargaming got rid of a fourth when they made Agincourt an RN premium (it was laid down for Brazil, sold to Turkey while building and seized by Britain at the start of WW1). But you could fill some gaps in with unbuilt/proposed designs. Collected materials indicate that it would be possible to fill up to T8 battleship with projects, Vickers paper ships and proposals/design requests. And also with the examples of Nueve de Julio and Jurua before I thinl there is really nothing obstructing WG to clone a "Rio de Janerio" from Agincourt if they wish so and decided that Agincourt would be suitable to be sold regularly via Premium Shop/Armory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
35 THE_BiRds_stRIke_BaCk_42 Member 175 posts 482 battles Report post #11 Posted June 27, 2021 Maybe the unique feature of the South American tech tree could be reduced amount of time after firing guns when detectability range = max gun range, like maybe 10 instead of 20 seconds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
35 THE_BiRds_stRIke_BaCk_42 Member 175 posts 482 battles Report post #12 Posted June 27, 2021 On 6/26/2021 at 2:00 PM, Project45_Opytny said: The Paraguay-class ocean-going river gunboats would certainly be a unique choice for T1 Patrol gunboat/sloop (a warship from a landlocked country) though there are many choices available. What would the other choices be? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
35 THE_BiRds_stRIke_BaCk_42 Member 175 posts 482 battles Report post #13 Posted July 3, 2021 I have come up with T2 to T5 destroyer tree: T2: Alexandrino Dealenca/Marinhao (1914/1922, Brazil, formerly RN) Armament: 3x1 102mm/40 BL Mk. VIII, 2x2 450mm torpedo tubes Top speed: 29 kts (WG will have to buff that) T3: La Plata (1912, Argentina) Armament: 4x1 102mm/50 Bethlehem Steel, 4x1 533mm Torpedo tubes Top Speed: 35 kts (Upgrades: Hull B removes 1 gun, adds AA and puts torpedo tubes in 2x2 configuration) T4: Almirante Lynch (1914, Chile) Armament: 6x1 102mm/40 Armstrong S, 4x1 450mm TT (WG will have to buff AA) Top Speed: 31 kts (maybe WG should buff this too) (Upgrades: Torpedoes increases caliber to 533mm and puts in 2x2 configuration) T5: Serrano (1928, Chile) Armament: 3x1 120mm/45 Vickers-Armstrong E, 3x2 533mm torpedo tubes Top Speed: 35 kts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,592 [151ST] S4pp3R Wiki Editor 4,526 posts 16,455 battles Report post #14 Posted July 3, 2021 24 minutes ago, THE_BiRds_stRIke_BaCk_42 said: I have come up with T2 to T5 destroyer tree: T2: Alexandrino Dealenca/Marinhao (1914/1922, Brazil, formerly RN) Armament: 3x1 102mm/40 BL Mk. VIII, 2x2 450mm torpedo tubes Top speed: 29 kts (WG will have to buff that) T3: La Plata (1912, Argentina) Armament: 4x1 102mm/50 Bethlehem Steel, 4x1 533mm Torpedo tubes Top Speed: 35 kts (Upgrades: Hull B removes 1 gun, adds AA and puts torpedo tubes in 2x2 configuration) T4: Almirante Lynch (1914, Chile) Armament: 6x1 102mm/40 Armstrong S, 4x1 450mm TT (WG will have to buff AA) Top Speed: 31 kts (maybe WG should buff this too) (Upgrades: Torpedoes increases caliber to 533mm and puts in 2x2 configuration) T5: Serrano (1928, Chile) Armament: 3x1 120mm/45 Vickers-Armstrong E, 3x2 533mm torpedo tubes Top Speed: 35 kts That's actually not too bad. I wouldn't worry about AA ratings until any theoretical higher tier ships anyways, as DD AA struggles to even shoot down fighters until T7-T8. The 3 x 1 120s is not a great armament at T5 but with 3x2 torp tubes, she'd be a torp boat... When doing up this sort of thing, try and find comparable designs at tier in game already, or at worst strong ships a tier lower that could uptier ok. Otherwise to make them work, you gotta have gimmicks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
35 THE_BiRds_stRIke_BaCk_42 Member 175 posts 482 battles Report post #15 Posted July 4, 2021 Sorry for the mistake, Serrano’s torpedoes are actually 2x3 Also, maybe I could use one of the Peruvian Novik-type destroyers instead of Almirante Lynch to be more inclusive and Almirante Lynch is not that good of a ship (La Plata has better torps and a larger broadside) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
35 THE_BiRds_stRIke_BaCk_42 Member 175 posts 482 battles Report post #16 Posted July 5, 2021 And is a tier lower, is faster and probably lower detection range Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
970 [WWS] Project45_Opytny Member 2,467 posts 14,072 battles Report post #17 Posted July 5, 2021 On 7/4/2021 at 3:12 PM, THE_BiRds_stRIke_BaCk_42 said: Sorry for the mistake, Serrano’s torpedoes are actually 2x3 Also, maybe I could use one of the Peruvian Novik-type destroyers instead of Almirante Lynch to be more inclusive and Almirante Lynch is not that good of a ship (La Plata has better torps and a larger broadside) Almirante Guise (the Peruvian Izyaslav) may end up like... Campbeltown if WG do want to create such a ship, I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
35 THE_BiRds_stRIke_BaCk_42 Member 175 posts 482 battles Report post #18 Posted July 11, 2021 Yeah, true Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
35 THE_BiRds_stRIke_BaCk_42 Member 175 posts 482 battles Report post #19 Posted July 12, 2021 As for cruisers, I’d have no idea where to start Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
35 THE_BiRds_stRIke_BaCk_42 Member 175 posts 482 battles Report post #20 Posted July 12, 2021 Maybe clone Albany (Barroso as originally built for Brazil) for Tier 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
