Vampire II may be RP... ...

[S4pp3R]

So rumours are that Vampire II will be RP.

My basic thoughts on the matter...

In summary...

If you do this, screw you to the max WG.

IMO it would be your lowest blow yet.

DON'T DO THIS!!!!

[S0und_Theif]

I know it is still a rumor, but agree with @S4pp3R.

DO NOT PUT ANY SHIP IN THE RESEARCH BUREAU!

 

When WG is doing 1 thing good, they have to do 3 things bad.

[Moggytwo]

I'm surprised, Vampire seems like a perfect candidate for free XP. 

I have plenty of RP, and quite enjoy regrinding one of my favourite DD lines every few months. I'll be able to get Vampire on the day she is released if this rumour is true. 

However, I very much see your point. This resource makes the ship very inaccessible to many (it takes five tier 10's before you can even start grinding for RP, and then you would have to grind at least four more reset lines all the way to tier 10 to get Vampire). 

This is quite unfortunate for a very well known museum ship, a ship that sits in the middle of Australia's largest city, and that many Australians have wanted in the game for some time. S4pp3R is right - this ship should be available for a more accessible resource, either free XP, or preferably coal. 

I'm also mostly in agreement on what research points should be used for - I think that is a no win battle though. The most we could hope for is additions to what is already available in the research bureau, and I'd like to see some of S4pp3R's ideas implemented here. I don't see it being a focus of WG at the moment however. 

[Paladinum]

12 minutes ago, S0und_Theif said:

When WG is doing 1 thing good, they have to do 3 things bad.

 

BTW... There are 2 T10 DD slots missing: Steel (Somers) and FXP (Smaland). Vampire II and Druid seem to be fitting candidates, as they're both T10s. 

[S0und_Theif]

2 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

BTW... There are 2 T10 DD slots missing: Steel (Somers) and FXP (Smaland). Vampire II and Druid seem to be fitting candidates, as they're both T10s. 

^ I like this better than the rumor.

[dejiko_nyo]

Vampire II for sale for cash when?

This is why the Rubbish Bin/Burnheap should not have existed.

[Grygus_Triss]

Agree with Sapper.

I will hit the wall if WG does that.

There is no Commonwealth Tech tree, only 4 other ships. Locking behind RB is wrong. As Sapper says, it’s a real ship, it has history, putting it in a place where very few people will get it is wrong.

Coal or FXP. Those are the common ones. That’s what she should be.

WG have had their fun with the RB, but it was a bad idea and it’s still unpopular. Axe it.

[IJN_Katori]

i dont mind any Research garbage, in fact Siegfried is the only one worth getting.

 

 

I'm still getting Max Immelmann and no one can stop me from doing it!

[S4pp3R]

Thanks all!!

I'm glad you all understand my point...

Reddit decided to question why I was bitching about it as RB should be easy for me... (I will not struggle to get V2)

Missing the entire point...

[S0und_Theif]

4 hours ago, S4pp3R said:

Thanks all!!

I'm glad you all understand my point...

Reddit decided to question why I was bitching about it as RB should be easy for me... (I will not struggle to get V2)

Missing the entire point...

Either they are super whales (irresponsible money spenders and borrows money like there is no tomorrow) or WG employee on sheep's clothes (their personal or off site account to praise and glorify how glorious the Research Bureau is.).

It's all about the colored cotton paper with drawings on both sides and have a large number on it and not the consumer / player experience.

[S4pp3R]

4 hours ago, S0und_Theif said:

Either they are super whales (irresponsible money spenders and borrows money like there is no tomorrow) or WG employee on sheep's clothes (their personal or off site account to praise and glorify how glorious the Research Bureau is.).

It's all about the colored cotton paper with drawings on both sides and have a large number on it and not the consumer / player experience.

Honestly it's scary but at this point unless you adhere to a narrow view of the game and WG, you are downvoted to oblivion.

I mean it is Reddit, it's mechanics are entirely conducive towards a vocal minority but I am a part of other reddits that somehow don't devolve this way.

Still this was one of those things where I thought...

"Surely no matter where you are from; no one would agree with the first Tier 10 ship for a nation being gated behind steel or RP, particularly RP..."

To quote Obiwan Kenobi

"I was wrong..."

[S0und_Theif]

17 hours ago, S4pp3R said:

Thanks all!!

I'm glad you all understand my point...

Reddit decided to question why I was bitching about it as RB should be easy for me... (I will not struggle to get V2)

Missing the entire point...

On another note:

Some people just do not think beyond one's self.

They have played the game for some time. Probably even paid for some of the items to give them an advantage on signals, and camos.

But they fail to understand the struggle (Pay to advance) or forgot the struggle (Too much time.) to get to their first T10 ships.

What if the player is new? What if I want my friend to play who is new? What if the player does not have time to play everyday?

 

Sadly there are also some readers who did not read enough to understand through your points or do not understand your points at all.

They think that it is all about you, but in reality, you are also thinking of your fellow captains, who loves and enjoy the game, but they are;

New to the game
Do not have time to play constantly
Player who has been in hiatus due to real life
Players who are in a tight budget
Players who can not afford the price (Not everybody earns the same and not every country's cost of living is the same.)

 

They have to also think of others, if they want others to play and enjoy the game together. And not leave because, the game asks too much.

But of courses, WG is also at fault here too. Why the playerbase / community is unenthusiastic when WG does something that defies common sense.

 

 

Apologies if it's not understandable. It's late for me and I need Z's.

[dejiko_nyo]

2 hours ago, S4pp3R said:

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2 hours ago, S0und_Theif said:

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The issue from the start is about the way the Rubbish Burnheap was implemented: Burn your ships (which you have spent years working on) x times to earn another ship. It is as if there is nothing else to do aside from playing wows. Definitely those that support it are whales to an extent, either in terms of money or time because the only reasonable way to repeat the rubbish cycle is to use expensive flags to suffer through some of the terrible ships in various lines.

No matter how much I want to put a positive spin on it, there are 3 things that stand out:
1) Artificially inflate numbers because they force people into repetitive pointless grinds.
2) Make people spend money on either FXP conversion or flags.
3) Accentuate new vs veteran player disparity.

It's so easy for me to get Sieg if I wanted to. Just FXP x5 but guess how many resets I've done? Exactly zero. Because at the end of the day, she will be an overpriced rusting scrapheap in my port as I play my Hinden/Nevsky/DM/Zao/Mino/Monty/Iowa more. So for a ship that costs 5x more than its T9 equivalent, it is just a waste of time/money/resources. 

To quote s4pper:
 

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I have a threshold of what I'm willing to spend on games, wows is right on the line, Genshin was way over

Replace wows with other games and genshin with wows, that is how much time and effort I am willing to invest in what is a game that requires you to fork over the price of a AAAA game everytime a new thing comes out.

[Grygus_Triss]

4 hours ago, S4pp3R said:

Honestly it's scary but at this point unless you adhere to a narrow view of the game and WG, you are downvoted to oblivion.

I mean it is Reddit, it's mechanics are entirely conducive towards a vocal minority but I am a part of other reddits that somehow don't devolve this way.

Still this was one of those things where I thought...

"Surely no matter where you are from; no one would agree with the first Tier 10 ship for a nation being gated behind steel or RP, particularly RP..."

To quote Obiwan Kenobi

"I was wrong..."

So... I always got the idea that RB wasn’t very popular across the board. Does the Reddit response mean that a majority does like it? Are we just an angry minority that hate RB?

Is WG justified in making the RB?!

Is RB not as bad as we think?!

...

Nah, probably not, I think WG pressured them...*

Spoiler

*I’m being charitable. I have a less nice reason why they support WG.

 

[Paladinum]

5 minutes ago, Grygus_Triss said:

So... I always got the idea that RB wasn’t very popular across the board. Does the Reddit response mean that a majority does like it? Are we just an angry minority that hate RB?

Is WG justified in making the RB?!

Is RB not as bad as we think?!

...

Nah, probably not, I think WG pressured them...*

So popular and good that everytime that *thing* is mentioned in a Facebook post or Youtube video... Oh boy, the reactions are friendly and positive.

/s

[Lowyat]

1 hour ago, Grygus_Triss said:

So... I always got the idea that RB wasn’t very popular across the board. Does the Reddit response mean that a majority does like it? Are we just an angry minority that hate RB?

Is WG justified in making the RB?!

Is RB not as bad as we think?!

...

Nah, probably not, I think WG pressured them...*

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*I’m being charitable. I have a less nice reason why they support WG.

 

I am guessing the spreadsheets probably still have numbers that aren't zero, which is justified for continuity.

[dejiko_nyo]

5 minutes ago, Lowyat said:

I am guessing the spreadsheets probably still have numbers that aren't zero, which is justified for continuity.

I would like to add:

[Grygus_Triss]

“Oh hey, statistics show that since we started selling the only water available in the area, everyone buys it. They must love buying it, let’s raise the price, keep doing it, and offer more essential items for sale!”

[S4pp3R]

6 hours ago, S0und_Theif said:

Apologies if it's not understandable. It's late for me and I need Z's.

You did good

4 hours ago, dejiko_nyo said:

So for a ship that costs 5x more than its T9 equivalent, it is just a waste of time/money/resources. 

Yep.

And to be honest I love replaying lines but I don't want to regrind that much, I have others I wish to complete first (mostly).

But it's also not quite that bad if you get x2 bonuses...

As for gaming budget, I have a budget, how much I like WoWs defines how much of that budget goes to things I may want in WoWS vs other games.

 

2 hours ago, Grygus_Triss said:

I always got the idea that RB wasn’t very popular across the board. Does the Reddit response mean that a majority does like it? Are we just an angry minority that hate RB?

Consensus changes I would guess.

I don't hate RB on principal I just don't like gating certain things behind it.

Slava? No probs, less of them the better...

'Good' UUs (e.g. Yama) - bad idea.

A nation's first T10 - get $%!& WG!

But yeah, Reddit was hating on RB (in particular gating ships and modules) just a couple of short years ago... And now?

 

1 hour ago, Lowyat said:

I am guessing the spreadsheets probably still have numbers that aren't zero, which is justified for continuity.

My guess is engagement is low. Simply - there is no incentive to engage it, those that have access.

The juice isn't worth the squeeze for most people.

Giving up all your ships is not worth what you get in the end. Most people don't need more high tier premiums and if they do then there's coal or FXP options.

I mean I've said it 100 times but the reward needs to be unique, worth the effort for most players, take a lot of effort to get and most of all, desirable. IMO that's layered cosmetics.

But anyways... Disclaimer again...

I should note that this thread is all speculation based on the biggest troll in WoWS...

I'm still expecting FXP or Coal based on logic, but time will tell and it's as someone mentioned in Reddit, it's plausible for WG to be this much of a douche with V2.

[Pervis117]

Can anyone explain the moral difference between locking a ship behind a lot of money (pretty much all premium ships) and locking it behind the RB regrind ?

I can understand not being willing to engage with the RB mechanic. I don't understand the complaining about the very few number of ships that are available for research points. 

Yeah that's how all of us non whales feel about all the premiums they sell for money.

[S4pp3R]

2 hours ago, Pervis117 said:

Can anyone explain the moral difference between locking a ship behind a lot of money (pretty much all premium ships) and locking it behind the RB regrind ?

I can understand not being willing to engage with the RB mechanic. I don't understand the complaining about the very few number of ships that are available for research points. 

Yeah that's how all of us non whales feel about all the premiums they sell for money.

Interesting comment, I suspect it was facetious but I'll bite.

That's not exactly the question in this thread, the question here is what in-game currency the ship should be available for (given it's a nation's first T10). The options being Coal, FXP, Steel or RP. Coal or FXP being arguably the most 'fair'.

The money vs RB grind isn't really comparable to the question above... RB is able to be completed through a lot of in game effort or a LOT of money.

The money option would be cheaper (if you go down the money route for both), i.e. if you could purchase it directly from the premium shop.

I wholeheartedly think that having ships that are earnable via in-game currencies is a good thing, Coal and FXP sinks are healthy for the game, even if the ships available have been overly strong in the past. That's a balance issue not so much a currency issue.

Steel is a questionable one because the expectation is for greater performance given it's a 'competitive currency'.

 

RB ships are almost laughable because of a simple premise - for a FTP player they aren't worth the time involved. Even for whales it's a bad return.

You can get comparable or better premiums via other in game methods (coal, FXP) that are arguably quicker and easier to get.

Comparing that gating to money purely comes down to how much your time and effort is worth. In some countries, it's a lot of work on basic income to get the equivalent. In others it's a day's work.

The pure amount of hours involved in grinding gated RB ships, most folks could arguably earn enough money many times over to bridge the gap BUT it comes down to the persons individual conditions.

The irony of the comparison is that until relatively recently, all of the best premiums were only available for in-game currency, not money. Even then RB ships are generally not great and even more not worth the effort.

[Lowyat]

7 minutes ago, S4pp3R said:

Even then RB ships are generally not great and even more not worth the effort.

Worth is very subjective to each individual. one man's trash is another man's treasure.

I would argue a premium ship costs only Money(in-game currency alternatively) whilst RB costs Time/Credits/Fxp and optionally money(unless you paid grinders/accounts/exp etc.)

Depends on what your tradeoff fancy is since it's a massive resource sink. At least didn't cost sanity from playing ranked for steel. Still considered a leisure grind for solos.

 

[Admiral_Helena]

What if WG put her in the dockyard?

[Puggsley]

I'll take a bit of a devils advocate position here on the unfairness aspect.

Why should all players be able to get a particular ship? As long as you are not barred from playing the large number of other ships then that is reasonable. You can still play the vast majority of the game.

If a particular ship catches your eye, and it is not the typical tech tree way of getting it then you have to decide if the cost is worth it.  A paywall for a ship is very very different to a paywall to play.

[S4pp3R]

16 minutes ago, Puggsley said:

I'll take a bit of a devils advocate position here on the unfairness aspect.

Why should all players be able to get a particular ship? As long as you are not barred from playing the large number of other ships then that is reasonable. You can still play the vast majority of the game.

If a particular ship catches your eye, and it is not the typical tech tree way of getting it then you have to decide if the cost is worth it.  A paywall for a ship is very very different to a paywall to play.

That's fair, but I just don't think they should be gating the first T10 of a nation behind RB (or even steel for that matter).