Petropavlovsk needs nerf

[Make_Scenario_Great_Anew]

First, let the data talk

https://asia.wows-numbers.com/ship/3969824208,Petropavlovsk/

Compared with other T10 cruisers in the tech tree, Petropavlovsk has the highest win rate, and significantly higher than other tech tree ships (53.13 % v. the second highest 51.89 %) and the third-highest average XP. Among all T10 cruisers, Petropavlovsk's win rate is only lower than the three steel ships (higher than Pay2Rico, Smolensk, Colbert etc.).

And most importantly, Petropavlovsk has excessive survivability while bearing her powerful guns (even the HE DPM is very low, the AP hits hard like 305mm and does great damage even to the bow-on enemy (superstructure) due to the improved ricochet angle). 

50mm deck and 30s fire time make her resistant to HE, 12.4km max concealment allows her to hide from concentrated fire. Petropavlovsk also has much better citadel protection compared with Moskva and Stalingrad, because her citadel is not exposed, and the broadside is much lower. 

 

Proposed nerf: 

(1) Make the citadel exposed, and either (2.1) reduce HP to 50100 (compared with Alexandar) or (2.2) increase max concealment to ~13.2 km

 

[dejiko_nyo]

Better proposal: remove the stupid bowtankiness.

[Rub1c0n]

Does your analysis take into account who has the ship?  Is teh difference in win rate due to the caliber of players who have the ship or due to the ship itself?

 

Back up your response with data.

[rookieFTW]

Nerf the HP of AA mounts, that's it nerf completed it's balans now

[Andy_Siau]

Seems like many ships need to be nerfed 😂
Nerf this nerf that, remove this remove that

[Watame__]

We already have a class that can balanced all ship and it is called a CV 

[H_87A_2CU]

I love the Petro..............................I mean whats not to love.............Hits enemy BB's through the side and nose fairly reliably...........if you can get in close you can devastate any BB, and the Decks are awesome against HE although doesn't bounces 457mm shells all that well, you're only likely to bounce a few of his shells at range, so good job he only hit's you once or twice so you pretty much bounce those......If anything its armour's a little weak against plunging fire especially Ohio, Yammy and Shika's shells....may need a little buff there against these otherwise your survival isn't guaranteed.

Downside's are the HE is bad and the dispersion really kicks you at long range, you are lucky to land maybe 4 or 5 shots out of the 9 at 19km, luckily the fire chance is 14% although you have a bad RoF at almost 5 rounds a minute......although only rarely need HE, as AP will punch through BB's pretty much at time he's within 30 degrees of broadside.

 

 

Ok yeah maybe a little sarcastic but this is normally what happens with me, Petro happily takes on a BB, is happy to bow tank all day long while chewing HP's off the BB with little effort, get the angle slightly wrong and he'll take huge chunks out of you, while you watch your AP bounce off him at a lot of angles and ranges..,.but remember no bias here......SN stonk, with all those warship's of history that took on 4-5 enemy ships and emerge victorious............(what do you mean most of the ships are Paper ships???...........Our glorious propaganda department told us these were real)......

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[Paladinum]

The ship is balanced, tovarisch. Please remember that some ships are more balanced than others.

 

[Make_Scenario_Great_Anew]

4 小時前，Rub1c0n 說：

Does your analysis take into account who has the ship?  Is teh difference in win rate due to the caliber of players who have the ship or due to the ship itself?

 

Back up your response with data.

Yes. Still the same page data https://asia.wows-numbers.com/ship/3969824208,Petropavlovsk/

If a ship has a higher total battle, the ship is, at least much more likely to, owned by users of all skill levels rather than only some unicum. Though unicum are usually the first to get a newly-released ship due to saved Free XP etc, a person's contribution to the total battles of a ship is limited. (it is rare to see a person plays 1000+ battles on a single ship)

Though Petro is one of the recently-released tech tree ships, it has 638,687 total battles (almost the same as Salem, which was released more than two years ago. But Salem has only 47% win rate). In contrast, the same-time released Alexandar has 382,337 (and less than 50% win rate), and Goliath has 229,958.

[Make_Scenario_Great_Anew]

4 小時前，Andy_Siau 說：

Seems like many ships need to be nerfed 😂
Nerf this nerf that, remove this remove that

I think Seattle needs buff

[Make_Scenario_Great_Anew]

4 小時前，Watame__ 說：

We already have a class that can balanced all ship and it is called a CV 

However, Petro also has strong AA

[dejiko_nyo]

Just buff all the poorly performing ships. I remember watching some video saying that instead of nerfing, just buff underperforming stuff to bring it up to line.

[THAI_THIEF]

Why the Moskva can't to buff? 

[Watame__]

On 4/3/2021 at 8:59 PM, Make_Scenario_Great_Anew said:

However, Petro also has strong AA

Doesn't stop CV from dropping you still 

[Davey77]

On 4/4/2021 at 2:12 PM, dejiko_nyo said:

Just buff all the poorly performing ships. I remember watching some video saying that instead of nerfing, just buff underperforming stuff to bring it up to line.

Agreed. A lot of crappy rust buckets in port just waiting to be buffed.