Rant : Tier II to Tier VII Post Battle Payments..

[LawrenceXVIII]

Why?

[S0und_Theif]

Monetization.

Buy premium ships.

 

Monetization with side effects.

Buy premium ship, then use botting tools to collect credits and FXP.

[Paladinum]

 

[IJN_Katori]

[dejiko_nyo]

To sell premiums of course.

What was that sentence again... "Encourage and populate mid-tiers" What was that concept called again... Something related to garbage?

[LawrenceXVIII]

1 hour ago, Paladinum said:

 

If it aint broke dont freaking do it. And they did it.

[S0und_Theif]

31 minutes ago, LawrenceXVIII said:

If it aint broke dont freaking do it. And they did it.

It's WG.

They have been like that since 2019. Probably even earlier.

[Paladinum]

The only broken thing here that I can see is reading comprehension ability.

[Ralgon]

38 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

The only broken thing here that I can see is reading comprehension ability.

Too passive aggressive to tell. Either he didnt read it properly, or he's concerned about an explosion of premium botting

[dejiko_nyo]

Technically, service costs affect the net payment at the end. The less you pay, the more you earn. Unless somewhere the tech tree service costs got reduced while the prems didn't, this is just a honeypot to entice purchases of prems. Nothing more.

[Paladinum]

25 minutes ago, Ralgon said:

Too passive aggressive to tell. Either he didnt read it properly, or he's concerned about an explosion of premium botting

Service costs of those ships are so small, even reducing to 0 wouldn't do any significant to the game, if it even does anything at all. There is also no trading.

It's Credit, not Steel, not Doubloon, not even Coal or FXP.

[PbKavarovsky]

But they did not even mention reduced by how much did they? Would assume that it is completely trivial as it is a very little amount.

[Reinhard_of_Avercland]

The thing is; lower tier premium ships don't have huge credit modifier to begin with. So the motive that WG do this to sell the premium ships is far from the truth. Also most of the upcoming premium ships are over T7.

WG probably do this to shift more players away from the high tier games. I mean, why would you farm credits at low tier when you can earn more by playing the T9 premium ships without having to deal with the short end of the -/+2 MM? I mean really, you can YOLO rush to die in less than 5 minutes in JB, and still earn more credits than playing a full 20-minute game at T6.

Moreover isn't this how earning credits should be by default?

[LtDan_IceCream]

20 minutes ago, Reinhard_of_Avercland said:

Moreover isn't this how earning credits should be by default?

A lot (And I mean A LOT) of players play mid tier Co-op only.

For these players that play mostly premium mid tier ships,  and are trying to credit grind as well, this is a most welcome change to the game.

Not every player in this game plays Randoms, or has Tier 9 premium ships.....

[Reinhard_of_Avercland]

11 minutes ago, LtDan_IceCream said:

A lot (And I mean A LOT) of players play mid tier Co-op only.

For these players that play mostly premium mid tier ships,  and are trying to credit grind as well, this is a most welcome change to the game.

Not every player in this game plays Randoms, or has Tier 9 premium ships.....

A lot =/= everyone.

Otherwise WG would never pull out ships from the premium ship & Armory due to popularity.

Also the majority of the forum posters still post things related to the PvP stuffs rather than PvE. The in-game Off-Topic chat channel is also full of players raging over whatever mess they suffer in Random.

[dejiko_nyo]

What was that sentence again... "Encourage and populate mid-tiers" What was that concept called again... Something related to garbage?

Playing premiums only will make one of the "features" they introduced stupidly redundant. Obviously that feature didn't work as intended.

At the end of the day, this is all a cash grab. Combined with the "ships going out of business" sale that will happen, it's obvious that their balance sheet isn't positive enough.

[PbKavarovsky]

1 hour ago, Reinhard_of_Avercland said:

WG probably do this to shift more players away from the high tier games.

If this was their intention, they should raise the post-battle service cost of the higher tiers (and piss players off again) instead. Cuz like you said, you can YOLO and die in a JB in five minutes and still earn more than a full game in lower or mid-tier ships.

18 minutes ago, Reinhard_of_Avercland said:

The in-game Off-Topic chat channel is also full of players raging over whatever mess they suffer in Random.

Something is also happening on YouTube as well, I hope it is not a part of another CC rework.

Spoiler

 

 

[Admiral_Helena]

Capitalism in a nutshell....

Making the rich richer, while keeping the poor poorer (the latter is not really true on this game, but you get my point).

[Reinhard_of_Avercland]

46 minutes ago, PbKavarovsky said:

If this was their intention, they should raise the post-battle service cost of the higher tiers (and piss players off again) instead. Cuz like you said, you can YOLO and die in a JB in five minutes and still earn more than a full game in lower or mid-tier ships.

The damage is already done, and almost irreversible.

However I figure out there is actually a loophole to implement that without breaking the already established norms. WG can just double or triple the ammo costs for all higher tier ships, this includes torps & planes. And because most high tier ships have either higher RoF, or larger salvo volume than the lower tier ships; this change could cause significant impact to the high tier economy.

 

Thunderer for example, whose ammo cost is currently 400 credits per shell:

• When doubled = 800 credits
• When tripled = 1200 credits

Let's say the Thunderer shoots 100 shells per battle, which equals 40k credits in ammo cost:

• When doubled = 80k credits
• When tripled = 120k credits

The total cost (without premium & clan bonuses) is currently 85k credits (if only shoots 100 shels of course):

• When doubled = 125k credits
• When tripled = 165k credits

So my conclusion is; this change will bring the total service cost back to what it used to be before the consumable rework.

Yes it can be achieved without breaking the already established norms regarding to the premium ships. But would the playerbase accept that "underhanded" change? Probably nope.

46 minutes ago, PbKavarovsky said:

Something is also happening on YouTube as well, I hope it is not a part of another CC rework.

Yup this proves my point on that post. Seeing a lot of players in Co-Op doesn't necessarily mean they are the majority.

[PbKavarovsky]

15 minutes ago, Reinhard_of_Avercland said:

However I figure out there is actually a loophole to implement that without breaking the already established norms. WG can just double or triple the ammo costs for all higher tier ships, this includes torps & planes. And because most high tier ships have either higher RoF, or larger salvo volume than the lower tier ships; this change could cause significant impact to the high tier economy.

Not a big fan of this change even as a premium user, it would be a big OOF for Yamato/Shikishima because their shells are very costly. But I would love to see those who like to shoot at the island or randomly open fire at the start of the battle and exposing their positioning bleeding their wallet.

[Paladinum]

19 minutes ago, Reinhard_of_Avercland said:

The damage is already done, and almost irreversible.

However I figure out there is actually a loophole to implement that without breaking the already established norms. WG can just double or triple the ammo costs for all higher tier ships, this includes torps & planes. And because most high tier ships have either higher RoF, or larger salvo volume than the lower tier ships; this change could cause significant impact to the high tier economy.

Apply this only to HE shells for certain ships to hurt f**king HE spmming BBs.

[Reinhard_of_Avercland]

3 minutes ago, PbKavarovsky said:

Not a big fan of this change even as a premium user, it would be a big OOF for Yamato/Shikishima because their shells are very costly. But I would love to see those who like to shoot at the island or randomly open fire at the start of the battle and exposing their positioning bleeding their wallet.

That's.... the point of this change!

According to the wiki, Yamato's shell costs exactly the same with Thunderer (400 credits). The wiki doesn't show Shikishima's ammo cost though.

Ah yes those random shooters are somehow irritating me a lot.

5 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

Apply this only to HE shells for certain ships to hurt f**king HE spmming BBs.

Meh, the Hammer of justice Balans should apply to everyone equally.

[Paladinum]

Just now, Reinhard_of_Avercland said:

Meh, the Hammer of justice Balans should apply to everyone equally.

HE on all BBs instead of just some BBs?

[Reinhard_of_Avercland]

2 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

HE on all BBs instead of just some BBs?

*clears throat*

 

[Grygus_Triss]

So...

The problem here is that WG are making us pay LESS for service costs form premiums of that level.

Meaning we are saving money?

And that’s a problem?

I suppose if it encourages more people to buy and play premiums at that level.

It could increase certain undesirable behaviour.

But since I mostly already play premiums at that level, doesn’t affect me much.