📰 ST, Axis vs Allies

[S0und_Theif]

ST, Axis vs Allies

In the near future, we will conduct a closed test for a new battle type inspired by real-world naval battles. In the new "Axis vs Allies" battle, you will be able to fight only in ships that were completed in reality and in teams that are composed depending on each ship's nationality.

 

Rules

Depending on the ship picked a player gets into one of two teams:

• Axis: Italian, German, and Japanese ships
• Allies: American, British, French, Soviet, European, and Pan-Asian ships.

The battles will be conducted in a "12 vs 12" format on Tier VIII ships. Only ships that were built in reality, as well as their in-game counterparts (such as Black, ARP, Azur Lane ships and etc.) are allowed to enter battle. If you dislike the appearance of camouflages of counterpart-ships, you can switch their display off using a special filter in the Port.

 

You can participate in "Axis vs Allies" battles in a division, but if ships corresponding to both historical teams are picked, you won't be able to go into battle.

Teams won't necessarily mirror each other in all ship types, with the exception of aircraft carriers: their number in each team will be equal and strictly fixed - no more than one per team. The difference in the number of other ship types will be no more than one.

If the waiting time spent by the first player in the queue exceeds 3 minutes, teams might be filled with bots with improved AI, mastered commander's skills, and mounted camouflages and signals. 

Please note that all information in the development blog is preliminary. Announced adjustments and features may change multiple times during testing. The final information will be published on our game's website.

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Link:

https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/122

[S0und_Theif]

List of allowed ships:

Axis:

Japan	Germany	Italy
VIII Akizuki	VIII Z-23	VIII Roma
VIII Kagerō	VIII Z-35	VIII Vittorio Veneto
VIII Asashio,VIII Asashio B	VIII Admiral Hipper	VIII AL Littorio
VIII Mogami	VIII Prinz Eugen
VIII Atago,VIII Atago B	VIII Bismarck
VIII Shōkaku	VIII Tirpitz, VIII Tirpitz B
VIII Kaga,VIII Kaga B
VIII AL Yukikaze
VIII ARP Takao
VIII ARP Maya

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Allies:

USA	U.K.	USSR	France	Pan-Asia	Europe
VIII Benson	VIII Lightning	VIII Ognevoi	VIII Le Fantasque	VIII Loyang	VIII Orkan
VIII Kidd	VIII Cossack, VIII Cossack B	VIII Chapayev	VIII Le Terrible	VIII Siliwangi	VIII Öland
VIII Baltimore	VIII Edinburgh	VIII Mikhail Kutuzov	VIII Richelieu	VIII Hsienyang
VIII Cleveland	VIII Belfast '43			VIII Fenyang
VIII Wichita	VIII Vanguard			VIII Irian
VIII North Carolina	VIII Implacable
VIII Massachusetts, VIII Massachusetts B	VIII Indomitable
VIII Alabama,VIII Alabama ST
VIII Lexington
VIII Saipan
VIII Enterprise
VIII AL Montpelier

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Manacetamol]

EU is OK

Pan ASIA , hex no, this is bull shit

[Max_Battle]

This is a great idea and a fantastic start.

Hats off to anyone in WG who came up, supported and developed a mode based on actual early 20th centurt naval warfare.

It doesn't need to be perfect - just in theme.

This is great.

[THAI_THIEF]

Where's Monarch?

[Grygus_Triss]

Well... I take it balance isn't a huge issue.

None of the Axis Ships have radar.

And I don't care if they're higher tiers, IJN should have YAMATO! (& MUSASHI).

[S0und_Theif]

6 minutes ago, S0und_Theif said:

If the waiting time spent by the first player in the queue exceeds 3 minutes, teams might be filled with bots with improved AI, mastered commander's skills, and mounted camouflages and signals.  

Now apply this in Co-op and scenario as hard mode / extreme mode.

Where in co-op you get double the rewards in hard mode and quadruple the rewards in extreme mode.

While in scenario, WG should just revert back the 5 stars max reward and bring back hard mode with more rewards.

[Paladinum]

All the Radar vs Zero Radar

Fair and balanced. Fun and engaging.

 

On a side note, Swedish ships should be able to be placed on either side. They played both sides in the war after all.

And allow French ships to scuttle themselves and Italian ships to switch sides.

[S0und_Theif]

12 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

On a side note, Swedish ships should be able to be placed on either side. They played both sides in the war after all.

This is historically accurate. They allowed allied and axis spies play the spy vs spy game.

Sweden is Neutral (Both Sides).

Dutch, Poland, and Greece is Allied

Romania is Axis

Spanish although Neutral, they supported the Axis.

 

12 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

And allow French ships to scuttle themselves and Italian ships to switch sides.

After 10 minutes in the game, a new button will appear.

French will get "Scuttle" button and Italians will get "Betray" button. 

Let them enjoy the first 10 minutes.

 

They might even kill their team mate who is using French or Italian ships in their team.

This was quite common during the last brawl session.

[Max_Battle]

What does "Closed Test" mean and how do I beg, borrow, murder or steal to get into such a thing?

[Gesterbein]

Can Italy ships change side ??? 

[S0und_Theif]

1 hour ago, THAI_THIEF said:

Where's Monarch?

According to WG:

2 hours ago, S0und_Theif said:

Only ships that were built in reality, as well as their in-game counterparts (such as Black, ARP, Azur Lane ships and etc.) are allowed to enter battle. If you dislike the appearance of camouflages of counterpart-ships, you can switch their display off using a special filter in the Port.

So paper ships like Amagi, Amalfi, Monarch, Charles Martel, Mainz, Bayard, etc were not included.

Especially bias paper ships.

[hrynium]

Thank you WG for the PVE mode you designed for players to play as the Allies against the Axis.

But I have a request, 3 minutes waiting time is a bit too long, can it be changed to 30s?

[Max_Battle]

4 minutes ago, hrynium said:

Thank you WG for the PVE mode you designed for players to play as the Allies against the Axis.

But I have a request, 3 minutes waiting time is a bit too long, can it be changed to 30s?

LOL!

You reckon everyone will play allies and so will always be vs bots?

[hrynium]

13 分鐘前，Max_Battle 說：

LOL!

You reckon everyone will play allies and so will always be vs bots?

Yup, this model does not limit radar ships
Apart from the radar, for Axis destroyers, they are very difficult to resisting French destroyers that specialize in countermeasures against destroyers.(Cossacks also included)
As well as the T8 game, the HMS Indomitable and the USS N.C are both very stressful for CVs, which happen to belong to the Allies.

[S4pp3R]

30 minutes ago, hrynium said:

Yup, this model does not limit radar ships
Apart from the radar, for Axis destroyers, they are very difficult to resisting French destroyers that specialize in countermeasures against destroyers.(Cossacks also included)
As well as the T8 game, the HMS Indomitable and the USS N.C are both very stressful for CVs, which happen to belong to the Allies.

eh...

Kaga and Enterprise are 10x better and I'd take Shokaku over Indo any day.

BB advantage is huge, radar advantage and DD advantage... So I agree with you otherwise.

[IJN_Katori]

 

[Verytis]

Cossack is the best anti-DD DD.

Lightning only afraid of Cossack and Kidd, while outspotting Akizuki by wide margin.

Both RN DDs are gonna render IJN torps meaningless.

 

Chapayev and Edinburgh can stealth-radar.

Kutuzov is a smoke HE spammer.

 

Loyang is a better German DD.

Massa is overall better than Bismarck.

 

Enterprise is Enterprise.

 

Meanwhile Axis has...Atago.

 

Yeah no, this literally fails on paper.

The only case where I think this might be ok, is if you exclusively used only use the Ocean map, since all Axis have good shell velocity and thus generally prefer open water fighting.

[Paladinum]

9 minutes ago, Verytis said:

Yeah no, this literally fails on paper.

Shows you how much Allied bias there is too. I ain't listening to anyone that says otherwise.

[Reinhard_of_Avercland]

This makes me hate the Washington Naval Treaty even more. Many ships on the Axis sides were literally aborted in one way or another due to this one treaty. The treaty didn't even work to prevent the arms race that led to WW2.

[Admiral_Helena]

The Pan Asian ships have no place in this "realistic" mode.

Irian for example. The ship was only sold to Indonesia in 1962, 17 years after the end of WW2. The ship was in fact laid down 4 years after the end of WW2, which diminished its legitimacy in that mode further.

1 hour ago, Reinhard_of_Avercland said:

This makes me hate the Washington Naval Treaty even more. Many ships on the Axis sides were literally aborted in one way or another due to this one treaty. The treaty didn't even work to prevent the arms race that led to WW2.

Ah yes, the treaty that "accidentally" pushed the Japanese to the Axis side. Because the Japanese felt insulted to receive the same tonnage quota with the losers in WW1.

[Plymouth_MyWife_PrPr]

44 minutes ago, Admiral_Helena said:

The ship was only sold to Indonesia in 1962, 17 years after the end of WW2. The ship was in fact laid down 4 years after the end of WW2, which diminished its legitimacy in that mode further.

This is before you realize that if Tiger '59 is released in time for this battle mode, it will make the cut for 'historical fighting'.

[Thyaliad]

This should really be a PvE mode.

I remember WoT tried to do this a long time ago. The result was what one would have expected - it ended up being horribly imbalanced.

[S4pp3R]

2 hours ago, Verytis said:

Yeah no, this literally fails on paper.

Please let me continue for you.

BBs

NC, Massa v Bismarck, Roma...

This means that Allies can overmatch all Axis CAs and Axis can't overmatch all Allied CAs...

CL/As

Axis has great HE DPM (Mogami) and one of the most flexible flankers (Atago) but otherwise on every other metric; utility (smoke and radar options), AA in combination with great damage options, it's not even close. And the key part; Allies could just bring Baltimores and bow tank Axis 381s for days...

DDs you covered pretty thoroughly...

Honestly, this idea would work really well at T6-7 with great options across the board but with a bit of a disparity with radar at T7. Still no where near as bad as T8+...

I'm trying to be positive, maybe T8 is their 'trying to break it' attempt?

Also wasn't the first Amagi under construction at some point; eventially to be Kaga? (Or do I have my wires crossed?) At least then Axis would have CA overmatch...

[Reinhard_of_Avercland]

As what Helena & Fluffy said, this mode is way imbalanced at T8. Especially due to the presence of the post-war era ships in that tier.

T7 still has some radar ships (Atlanta, Indianapolis, Belfast), and a lot of paper ships.

So why don't they make it for T6 instead? Sure some nations would get shafted like the French only has Dunkerque (and on the Axis side at that) in the BB category. But the current lineup is totally favoring the Allies, the US being the dominant one due to their vast number of choices.

2 minutes ago, S4pp3R said:

Also wasn't the first Amagi under construction at some point; eventially to be Kaga? (Or do I have my wires crossed?) At least then Axis would have CA overmatch...

Amagi was close to completion before the Washington Naval Treaty halted her construction. The Japanese chose to convert her to be a CV (not Kaga). But the Great Kanto Earthquake damaged her hull severely. The Japanese eventually scrapped her, and took some of her parts to speed up Kaga's conversion into CV.