Sooooo... There doesn't seem to be much in the way of a gate to cross for Ranked.

[S4pp3R]

Now most of you know me fairly well at this point and know that while I may not have the right tone, I just try and help noobs and have no issue with folks with sub 45% win rates.

This is not about someone being a noob.

This is about letting someone with less than 100 Random Battles play Ranked Battles.

This player only has Tier 8 max, and they're all premiums.

I could have turned this battle around had this particular CV player even known to bring ROCKET PLANES against their DD... Their Tashkent was running and gunning all day, it would have been the easiest thing in the world to land a few rockets.

I don't mind losing, I still managed to save a star, 1400 BXP (next was 966) but that's not the point. This player simply shouldn't be playing Ranked Battles yet.

WG - stop this nonsense.

WG you have a long way to go towards new player progression but allowing a player who has this much to learn into Ranked Battles is toxic for him and toxic for every other player in the game.

Honestly, this is a basic thing to fix and I'm surprised this is even possible.

In before @dejiko_nyo mentions skilled based MM.

[Moggytwo]

I don't mind at all when inexperienced or low skilled players play ranked - the ranked system is somewhat designed for this.  In fact, one of the best places to learn WoWS tactical play is in ranked.

Having said that, I absolutely agree that players with only 100 battles shouldn't be in ranked.  At that stage, it's not just inexperience or lack of skill - you literally don't know how to play the game at that point.  You're still learning basic controls and systems.  Ranked is about tactics, which means you need to be able to have at least a basic understanding of each class and roughly how the game works.

[Max_Battle]

36 minutes ago, S4pp3R said:

In before @dejiko_nyo mentions skilled based MM.

But NOT INB4 MAX also mentions @dejiko_nyo and prepares to upvote any suggestion of skill based MM...

🙂

 

[Reinhard_of_Avercland]

This is nothing new. There was a Ranked season where players with less than 100 battles were sailing with Puerto Rico. This is just an example of what can go wrong with the unrestricted purchases.

Skill-based MM won't solve the issue. The lower the battle count, the easier the stats to fluctuate. A player with 3 wins out of 5 battles will have 60% WR. Unless the MM is running on an AI that can actually know the difference between the standard & super cruisers, it won't work as intended.

[dejiko_nyo]

1 hour ago, Max_Battle said:

But NOT INB4 MAX also mentions @dejiko_nyo and prepares to upvote any suggestion of skill based MM...

🙂

2 hours ago, S4pp3R said:

In before @dejiko_nyo mentions skilled based MM.

Skillbased MM when? 

[dejiko_nyo]

The problem is that wg only cares about filthy lucre and dumping in cannon fodder just to beef up the target practice rather than control the quality of games.

[Aegis_Deceit]

6 minutes ago, dejiko_nyo said:

Skillbased MM when? 

This will end up like another game I played, whereby it'd be a constant salt fest of up and downs.

[dejiko_nyo]

5 minutes ago, Aegis_Deceit said:

This will end up like another game I played, whereby it'd be a constant salt fest of up and downs.

The sad thing is that I doubt even skillbased MM will keep me in this game anymore since the longer it takes to introduce it, the more I go and play other more interesting games.

[Thyaliad]

This is why I don't play Ranked. Since Ranked has no barrier to entry it is ultimately no different from Randoms. And I already get enough salt in Randoms.

[S4pp3R]

15 minutes ago, Thyaliad said:

This is why I don't play Ranked. Since Ranked has no barrier to entry it is ultimately no different from Randoms. And I already get enough salt in Randoms.

Yeah I don't plan on doing it long term, I completely avoided the first season.

Only seeing how the current format goes cause how can I talk about it without experiencing it.

Goal is to at least get to Silver but so far my patience wears thin... (It usually does with ranked).

I'm balancing a newborn and wife aggro so not a whole lot of game time. Although that's partly my own fault, been doing some design work on the side, haha.

[notyourfather]

Since we don't have the player count to support matchmaking like DOTA 2's (MMR), why not make the MM like this.

Ranked skill based MM (ofc battle count gated):

• Players are distributed by their "skill level for the ship used" accordingly.
• 305mm cruisers should be taken into account too.

Ex. 7v7 format (I'm just using colors to indicate "skill level")

BB (Purple)	BB (Purple)
BB (Yellow)	BB (Yellow)
BB (Red)	BB (Red)
CL/CA (Yellow)	CL/CA (Yellow)
CL/CA (Red)	CL/CA (Red)
DD: (Green)	DD: (Green)
DD: (Green)	DD: (Green)

Though I doubt that this would ever happen.

[Paladinum]

34 minutes ago, Thyaliad said:

This is why I don't play Ranked. Since Ranked has no barrier to entry it is ultimately no different from Randoms. And I already get enough salt in Randoms.

At least Ranked has Steel. I don't play beyond Bronze so I couldn't care less about bad players.

I can perform better and worse in Ranked, because I feel like my strengths and drawbacks as a player get amplified, due to an emphasis on each player performing "appropriately" and cannot rely on numbers. Also, focus fire becomes even more prominent because of the limited number of players per team.

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like most (not all) players do play the objectives, more so than bloody Random. I am sorts of enjoying Ranked right now.

 

Still not going beyond Bronze though. Heck no.

[Rina_Pon]

Ranked is skill based MM. By definition of. But you have to get out of Bronze first.

[Reinhard_of_Avercland]

That's actually true.

Bronze League is where the players can afford to fool around, and still climb through the ranks. Given that you know the basics of what to do & what not to do.

Silver League is where you have to be serious. And unless you know how to perform well with the non-meta ships, you're most likely be better off sticking to the meta.

Gold League is much like the Silver League, but with more salty players. You can't really afford to be remotely funny, which includes bringing ships that are obviously underpowered. I only made it to rank 5 on last season, and gave up once I got enough wins to collect the doubloons.

So yeah you can either stick with the all-in-one MM in Random, the skill-based MM in Ranked (which includes all the salt from 7 seas), or commit exile to PvE where the skies are blue.

[S4pp3R]

1 hour ago, Reinhard_of_Avercland said:

That's actually true.

Bronze League is where the players can afford to fool around, and still climb through the ranks. Given that you know the basics of what to do & what not to do.

Silver League is where you have to be serious. And unless you know how to perform well with the non-meta ships, you're most likely be better off sticking to the meta.

Gold League is much like the Silver League, but with more salty players. You can't really afford to be remotely funny, which includes bringing ships that are obviously underpowered. I only made it to rank 5 on last season, and gave up once I got enough wins to collect the doubloons.

So yeah you can either stick with the all-in-one MM in Random, the skill-based MM in Ranked (which includes all the salt from 7 seas), or commit exile to PvE where the skies are blue.

Oh I'm very aware of all of this but it doesn't change the fact that there needs to be a randoms requirement to get to ranked...

It should be something like:

- Coop

- Scenarios

- Randoms

- Ranked.

[Lowyat]

1 hour ago, S4pp3R said:

Oh I'm very aware of all of this but it doesn't change the fact that there needs to be a randoms requirement to get to ranked...

It should be something like:

- Coop

- Scenarios

- Randoms

- Ranked.

i think it was already tied to account level? but since every new account can just breezed through it via premium usage etc then we have what it is now. Pay to progress is glorious.

[Admiral_Helena]

4 hours ago, Reinhard_of_Avercland said:

Bronze League is where the players can afford to fool around, and still climb through the ranks. Given that you know the basics of what to do & what not to do.

Is this why there are numerous pepega Kitakaze players? If they were Akizuki, then I could have understood. But they committed mistakes that newbies do like sitting in smoke until they get blind torped.

[Reinhard_of_Avercland]

1 hour ago, Admiral_Helena said:

Is this why there are numerous pepega Kitakaze players? If they were Akizuki, then I could have understood. But they committed mistakes that newbies do like sitting in smoke until they get blind torped.

Well... That's exactly what I pointed out. There's a thin line that separates "the meme playstyle" like using secondary build BBs, and utter foolishness. Bronze League is where the worst get stuck. Those who actually know how to perform well will reach the qualification phase. And it's up to their own on whether they want to advance to the Silver League, or not.

[Adorable_KeQing]

[Puggsley]

Situations like this have led me to be chat banned.....

[S0und_Theif]

Should every game mode have a slightly different MM mechanism?

Random = ±1 MM
Ranked = Skill based MM (Tomato, Orange, Greens, Unicorns)
Co-op = ±1MM with Normal, Hard, Extreme mode.
Brawl = ???
Clan = Can not comment

Since brawl is relatively new, I don't have any inputs.

I have not participated on any clan battles yet. So I can not comment.

[dejiko_nyo]

No, Either same tier or +/-1. No 2s. The reason is so that the "questionable" balancing team doesn't have to balance for 5 tiers but work better to balance for 3 tiers. Coop should be same rank.

[Puggsley]

On 2/28/2021 at 4:28 AM, Rina_Pon said:

Ranked is skill based MM. By definition of. But you have to get out of Bronze first.

Even then its pretty dicey.

While I was going through the qualification last week there were quite a few players who appeared to have no idea how to play yet had made it through to qualification. Lowest I saw was 43% WR and they played pretty much as you would expect.  

[S0und_Theif]

16 hours ago, dejiko_nyo said:

No, Either same tier or +/-1. No 2s. The reason is so that the "questionable" balancing team doesn't have to balance for 5 tiers but work better to balance for 3 tiers. Coop should be same rank.

Good point.

Consider it liked and suggested.

[mademoisail]

MM is a tricky thing, and some things that we think could fix an issue would actually have game-breaking repercussions. That being said, we have changed every season of Ranked in order to improve the game mode for our community. We are thankful for your feedback and time spent playing Ranked. You are helping us grow and develop Ranked so that it's fun and competitive for everyone. 

Hope all of you are doing well! 

Sail