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Typical bb game of today's meta

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Sniping gameplay is rewarded and moving to frontline to support will be punished hard(You cant angle against 457mm HE).

You cant disengage due to cv and planes will drop their payload even when 4 friendly ships overlap AA(You cant hide behind islands because AP bomber will hunt you down).

3 minutes in the game 50% health gone.Anyways it's the world of thundrers and smolensk(7 thundrer class ships in my game).:cap_rambo:

What could have been done better?Help this newbie.

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nothing can be done beside trying to out range it,  it is a problem since the start of this power creep, most of old ship is not even adequate enough to deal with other newer ship, 32 mm armor used to be great and 30 mm armor used to be enough but now there is a cruiser that can pen this thing, most HE will get through it, it is basically no armor whatsoever, German BB in lower tier is tough nut to crack but when it becomes tier 10 it is just big target with basically no armor with thunderer Meta, Yamato still can deal massive damage to it, not to mention getting rained by HE from Worchester or Smolenks it is no longer has it's former glory, to get closer meaning first blood, and like you said armor means nothing vs 457 HE or 460 AP or 510 AP, tier 10 BB HP is not enough to tank the damage two cruiser could easily  and quickly destroy a BB, it used to be enough when only 406 in the game and 460 but now it is not enough, few cruiser even have HP pool that almost rival a BB like Stalingrad for example and have thick belt to deflect most AP.

 

what WG need now is revitalizing old ship to make it great again or at least in playable state or else player will shoot further and further, in real battle shooting like 20 KM would yield little result unlike here it can deal considerable damage to enemy ship if they doesn't evade or you have great aim, ZAO used to be great but now not so great it has very low armor and HP pool compared to newer ship it is already past it prime, now it is Soviet cruiser meta thick armor and slim ship hard to hit by most unless again thunderer or conqueror, HE oriented BB. for a BB Thunderer and Bourgogne probably one of the best ship to have, a HE spammer doesn't need great aim you just need to hit the enemy for chance of fire, for a destroyer you just need Halland or Smalland for that sweet hypersonic torpedo and great to ward off CV.

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4 minutes ago, Cryzhentia said:

nothing can be done beside trying to out range it,  it is a problem since the start of this power creep, most of old ship is not even adequate enough to deal with other newer ship, 32 mm armor used to be great and 30 mm armor used to be enough but now there is a cruiser that can pen this thing, most HE will get through it, it is basically no armor whatsoever, German BB in lower tier is tough nut to crack but when it becomes tier 10 it is just big target with basically no armor with thunderer Meta, Yamato still can deal massive damage to it, not to mention getting rained by HE from Worchester or Smolenks it is no longer has it's former glory, to get closer meaning first blood, and like you said armor means nothing vs 457 HE or 460 AP or 510 AP, tier 10 BB HP is not enough to tank the damage two cruiser could easily  and quickly destroy a BB, it used to be enough when only 406 in the game and 460 but now it is not enough, few cruiser even have HP pool that almost rival a BB like Stalingrad for example and have thick belt to deflect most AP.

 

what WG need now is revitalizing old ship to make it great again or at least in playable state or else player will shoot further and further, in real battle shooting like 20 KM would yield little result unlike here it can deal considerable damage to enemy ship if they doesn't evade or you have great aim, ZAO used to be great but now not so great it has very low armor and HP pool compared to newer ship it is already past it prime, now it is Soviet meta thick armor and slim ship hard to hit by most unless again thunderer or conqueror, HE oriented BB.

As I have mentioned teamwork is not promoted by developers due to some or more reasons per game.Old ships are struggling and new ships are coming out to be more powerful like russian.

When I asked them what is the solution for HE.They answered-Russian BB's are the solution(Great answer)because they have nothing to do with the old ships as they cannot make money with them.

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even Russian BB cannot withstand HE for long they have limited damage control party you wont see that many kremlin in the game because it has 19km MAX range non negotiable it cannot be extended it is way worse than T10 german BB with 21km normally but you can add range to 24km, the only answer now us to play as cruiser with smoke or play soviet cruiser, if you like BB play Yamato and shoot from far away or easiest path is to play as thunderer or conqueror or you can try to play as Montana with legendary upgrade montana can be tanky it has decreased duration to fire and flooding but still you take full brunt of HE damage because the deck is not thick enough to withstand 457 HE.

 

new player will grind for the ship they like if they make every ship good or even decent I think that will give them cash flow, many premium ship now is just lazy copy paste existing ship it is extremely disappointing to see, example is like ARP Yamato, there is nothing special about it beside fancy camo and they put in for sale for 30K doublons, it is lazy ship that doesn't deserve to be sold, it doesn't even close as real ARP yamato in the anime, no armor variation, nothing special beside fancy looks.

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7 hours ago, Cryzhentia said:

even Russian BB cannot withstand HE for long they have limited damage control party you wont see that many kremlin in the game because it has 19km MAX range non negotiable it cannot be extended it is way worse than T10 german BB with 21km normally but you can add range to 24km, the only answer now us to play as cruiser with smoke or play soviet cruiser, if you like BB play Yamato and shoot from far away or easiest path is to play as thunderer or conqueror or you can try to play as Montana with legendary upgrade montana can be tanky it has decreased duration to fire and flooding but still you take full brunt of HE damage because the deck is not thick enough to withstand 457 HE.

 

new player will grind for the ship they like if they make every ship good or even decent I think that will give them cash flow, many premium ship now is just lazy copy paste existing ship it is extremely disappointing to see, example is like ARP Yamato, there is nothing special about it beside fancy camo and they put in for sale for 30K doublons, it is lazy ship that doesn't deserve to be sold, it doesn't even close as real ARP yamato in the anime, no armor variation, nothing special beside fancy looks.

They are removing thundrer but conquerer is also a great game ruiner what about it.What about the thundrers owned by people in large numbers.I don't think their population is going to reduce in upcoming matches. 

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