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So let's say you are merrily grinding out a line. It's a fun line, and obviously you have a nice juicy premium to help you grind commander XP to get decent captains to fight the higher tier ships.

How would you choose to juggle the captains? Let's say the German cruisers?

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Obviously at this number of captains you would be ultimately looking to crew the VIII - X plus keeping your premium ship crewed. How do you do it from here? 

Or how about this one. You have a line that has a split, say the British cruisers so now you have 2 captains on each track plus a premium. Do you try to use the premium to train up a 3rd captain for each line, giving you a V-VII captain that you can then adopt a technique like the single ship line? Or do you just juggle the 2 captains up the line?

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I've obviously picked my own grinds as examples, but I guess the same ideas could apply to other people? For that matter, is there a difference between what you would do with a line that splits early like the Japanese DDs or British cruisers and ones that split late like the US BBs will?

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How I did it was just have one captain per ship line, then move the captain up as I go up the tiers. So when I start a line, I look at what are the required skills for the Tier 10 ships in that line, and start building my captain for that even if I am still at the low tiers. Because at high tiers a 10-12 point captain is almost mandatory imo, while low tier ships don't benefit as much from high level captains compared to high tier ships.

The objective is to get a few captains up to max level first so you can start getting free commander xp from them. Once you get enough free commander xp, you can use it to train up other captains to a decent level so you don't have to suffer through low level captains. Then you can put these newer captains in other tech tree ships which you have completed the grind but you still like to play. Since higher tier matches reward more xp, it is faster to play your max level captains at high tiers to get free commander xp than it is to train individual captains at low tiers.

It is important to consider the choice of Premium ships because you are going to be spending a lot of time in them to train your captains. Some Premium ships gel perfectly with their tech tree sisters when it comes to captain skills. For example a specialised Prinz Eugen captain would use pretty much the same skills as a Hindenburg captain. Some other Premiums not so much. For example Yuudachi and Asashio would benefit from having Torpedo Acceleration, but a Shimakaze doesn't want TA unless they are using the 20km torps. An Abruzzi or d'Aousta would benefit from DE and IFHE, but the Italian cruiser line doesn't even have HE. Torpedo skills will also be useless on a Friesland, unlike the tech tree IKEA ships.

With that said, most Premiums are perform perfectly fine without a specialised captain, but it is something to consider. If you want to get a specialised captain for your Premium, you would need to put in additional time and effort. (Though this wouldn't be necessary in the future if the captain skill rework goes through).

 

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35 minutes ago, Thyaliad said:

An Abruzzi or d'Aousta would benefit from DE and IFHE, but the Italian cruiser line doesn't even have HE.

Yeah, Some of the early premiums were made before the “flavour” of the line was created. Like Belfast

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This will all change soon when the new 21 point captain rules come out, but up until now anyway:

It basically comes down to how many ships in the tech tree you want to keep in port and play regularly.

If you just want the Tier 10, you captain moves up with your grind, and you use whatever means to get through the re-training between ships: doubloons, credits, free captain skill XP, or a spell on a premium ship.

If you are like me and tend to play mid tiers mostly, leaving the TX ships for events like ranked, then the main issue becomes having enough 10 point captains to equip your T6,7,8 and 9 ships.

There's no one answer, you can buy your way through this issue as you can buy yourself through any grind in this game. However, the main thing is to spread your gaming time keeping your goals in mind. You can have quite a few 10 point captains for the same effort required to train just one to 19 points. At the same time, if you try to equip dozens of ships with 10 point captains, you will be forever playing games with captains with suboptimal skill counts. So keep it manageable.

What I did early on is take advantage of a free skill reset offer and move all my highly trained IJN cruiser captains over to the DD lines. I had some free captain XP from Halloween events to put some 7 or 8 point captains back on my cruisers, and with flags and bonuses it wasn't that long before they could equip CE again. With the DD line split I needed a lot of captains, and playing IJN DDs without CE is pretty much a death sentence, whereas in a cruiser its just a minor irritation. So it all kinda made sense.

Also early on with the USB line I'd sealclubbed my Clemson up to 14 point, so he went to Iowa when I finally got that ship, leaving Halsey on N. Cal.

Nowadays it seems there are plenty of 10 point captains you get from events and what not, and I have lots of free skill XP from 19 point captains, so its not really a practical issue. Also, for the newer tech tree lines I don't keep more than 1-2 ships from the whole line ... I guess you could say I am less ambitious. So for the Italian CAs I just have Amalfi with Zansanetti, and Zara. French DDs, Mogador and Le Fantasque (with Auboyoyoyo ow whatever he's called), Euro DDs, Visby, Oland, and Halland (with Blys(Jerzy) and Friesland). British DDs, Jervis, Lighting (Dunkirk), and Cossack. etc. So besides the special captain, I'm generally only having to deal with 1 captain per line.

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1 hour ago, Grygus_Triss said:

Yeah, Some of the early premiums were made before the “flavour” of the line was created. Like Belfast

This list includes Anshan (need mid-tier Soviet gunboat DD build), Blyskawica (classical gunboat DD unlike the tech tree IKEA boats), Friesland (mentioned above, no torpedoes despite sharing Bofors DP guns), Duca d'Aosta and Abruzzi (also mentioned above, classical CL build despite IFHE rework somewhat mitigated this problem), Giulio Casare (the currently WiP Andrea Doria would have a very different playstyle despite their historical resemblance), Campbeltown, Warspite (regular AP oriented battleship, though it seems that captain build for tech tree British BB would be compatible), Aigle (shared some features, with smoke but without MBRB and damage absorption gimmick) and Graf Zeppelin (when she was created there did not seem to have much realistic hope for a German CV branch).

For the problem raised in the original post my choice is like what Rina_Pon has posted above: the general doctrine is to train one "prioritized" captain for the top-tier ship (as well as premium ships that share compatible captain builds), and maintain a "reserve corps" for mid-tier ships that are competitive in their respective tiers and enjoyable for me. Sometimes such a reserve corps can be trained by Scenario Operations with relatively ease, and with a group of 19-pointer captains captain training can also be greatly eased by using ECXP.

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You see. I think there is something wrong with people's understanding of ECXP. I've seen plenty of comments around that seem to suggest that you don't get ECXP except with a 19-point captain.

I have over 30.5k in ECXP, and I have spent some (to complete a triangle point when I'm close, or to finish the re-specialisation of a captain to a new ship), and I know I haven't collected that much from the 500 per day daily mission. I can't remember where I've seen it, but my understanding is just as with free XP part of the commander XP earned by your highest rank captain converts as well. Which for me is currently the 11-point captain on the Prinz Eugen.

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I love Cap in there with all the anime captains. :cap_tea:

Also, I wasn't around for Belfast when she was first released. I am stoked to play the Tier VIII Belfast. 

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3 minutes ago, mademoisail said:

I love Cap in there with all the anime captains. :cap_tea:

Also, I wasn't around for Belfast when she was first released. I am stoked to play the Tier VIII Belfast. 

It's actually just the female commanders mod. But yeah, Cap rules.

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1 hour ago, CarvinMarvin said:

You see. I think there is something wrong with people's understanding of ECXP. I've seen plenty of comments around that seem to suggest that you don't get ECXP except with a 19-point captain.

I have over 30.5k in ECXP, and I have spent some (to complete a triangle point when I'm close, or to finish the re-specialisation of a captain to a new ship), and I know I haven't collected that much from the 500 per day daily mission. I can't remember where I've seen it, but my understanding is just as with free XP part of the commander XP earned by your highest rank captain converts as well. Which for me is currently the 11-point captain on the Prinz Eugen.

Take a screenshot of the credits and xp results tab (to show how much is converted) in your next battle in that ship and post to confirm

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2 hours ago, CarvinMarvin said:

You see. I think there is something wrong with people's understanding of ECXP. I've seen plenty of comments around that seem to suggest that you don't get ECXP except with a 19-point captain.

I have over 30.5k in ECXP, and I have spent some (to complete a triangle point when I'm close, or to finish the re-specialisation of a captain to a new ship), and I know I haven't collected that much from the 500 per day daily mission. I can't remember where I've seen it, but my understanding is just as with free XP part of the commander XP earned by your highest rank captain converts as well. Which for me is currently the 11-point captain on the Prinz Eugen.

Do you know how many missions that give Elite captain XP?

 

11 minutes ago, Puggsley said:

 Take a screenshot of the credits and xp results tab (to show how much is converted) in your next battle in that ship and post to confirm

Yeah, do that.

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1. Get your first 19 pointer as a matter of urgency, play premium ships, T10s, narai runs or whatever works for you. I suggest it be a ship you love.

2. Save up enough XP that any 'fresh' Captain you play is at minimum 10 points, in lines where you can afford it or need the extra points, 11, 13 or 14. (EL, DE/SI, FP or IFHE for example).

3. Focus on your 19 pointer and whatever main 'grinding' captains you have (the ones you just buffed over 10 points).

4. Get to the point where every line you start, you start at 17 points if you want.

5. Have your best Captain be the one who moves up ships in the line, spend what you have to to make him/her work.

That's how I play.

I keep all ships but if I didn't, I'd keep ships that I love, in the KM CL/A line it'd be Konigsberg and Nurnberg (please don't hate me guys but I genuinely don't enjoy 90% of T8 CAs so no Hipper in this hypothetical, of course I have her) and of course Hindy.

For Konigs/Nurn I'd probably run 13 point as base (I do), that would be PM, EL, AR, EM, DE, CE. Hindy would have my 19 pointer.

Same same I'd replicate everywhere. Kuma, Furu, Myoko, Mogami would all have their own captains and Zao has 19 pointer.

Each premium I have duplicates with one of the lines or in certain niche cases has it's own captain (Belfast for example has an IFHE captain).

Even though I keep all ships I still follow the same priority system with my fave ships like Myoko and Kuma now have 17-19 pointers.

My IJN BB line is probs the most insane.

Myogi - 13, Kongo - 19, Fuso - 19, Nagato - 17+ (can't remember if I beefed him upto 19), Amagi - 18, Izumo - 19, Yamato - 19. Kiri - 19, Emperor (40k) guy - 17.

Yamamoto is in Yamato and spends more time playing all my premium ships than actually in Yamato (I can't stand that play style).

Hope this helps in some small way.

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5 hours ago, CarvinMarvin said:

You see. I think there is something wrong with people's understanding of ECXP. I've seen plenty of comments around that seem to suggest that you don't get ECXP except with a 19-point captain.

The main and most reliable source of ECXP is 19pt captains.

You can get small amounts from other sources like missions and events. Well, ok, if you play a ton of the Halloween or Space Battles events you can get a quite a bit, but that's only once or twice a year.

In comparison, I generate about 100-200k ECXP per month from 19pt captains, and I'm sure many others far more than that.

(which is why WG are hell bent to cut off that particular revenue stream, but I digress)

 

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4 hours ago, Puggsley said:

Take a screenshot of the credits and xp results tab (to show how much is converted) in your next battle in that ship and post to confirm

I will do that. Because I want to confirm it for myself too, because I can't remember where I read it now and I can't find it.

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im just grinding my Captain in my favorit ships....
T9 is best spot for grinding.....
or T7 with or without premium ships is also best

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7 hours ago, mademoisail said:

Also, I wasn't around for Belfast when she was first released. I am stoked to play the Tier VIII Belfast. 

You can still get her (T7 Belfast) in super containers in Christmas event.

You may have to whale hard though.

Same can be said for Mighty Mo, Kaz, Julius Caesar, and DoY PEF.

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3 minutes ago, S0und_Theif said:

You can still get her in super containers in Christmas event.

You may have to whale hard though.

Same can be said for Mighty Mo, Kaz, Julius Caesar, and DoY.

Duke of York?

Isn't she still a 'regular' premium (Still listed in the captains logbook) like Poltava, Cheshire, Jean Bart, Smolensk and hopefully Kronshtadt?

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8 minutes ago, hurricaneflyer said:

Duke of York?

Isn't she still a 'regular' premium (Still listed in the captains logbook) like Poltava, Cheshire, Jean Bart, Smolensk and hopefully Kronshtadt?

In my mind, it was PEF, but for some odd reason, I typed DoY. :Smile_facepalm:

Thanks for the heads up.

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Just now, S0und_Theif said:

In my mind, it was PEF, but for some odd reason, I typed DoY. :Smile_facepalm:

I mean, they both are about as effective as each other...

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21 hours ago, CarvinMarvin said:

How would you choose to juggle the captains? Let's say the German cruisers?

Depends on the premiums. If the premiums are Eugen/Mainz, using the captains built for the tech tree German CRs on those premiums are as good as it can go.

If the premiums are different from the tech tree ships, then, well, you can play the premiums to grind captain levels, but you will have to play the premiums at lower efficiency, like putting a RN CL captain on Exeter, London or Belfast.

I currently have my GK captain on Pommern and my Hinden captain on Mainz. I also have the premium camo for Hinden, so switching the captain b/w Hinden and Mainz is normal and doesn't harm my ship's efficiency.

 

21 hours ago, CarvinMarvin said:

How do you do it from here? 

I only keep the captains for the tech tree ships that I come back and play frequently. I don't need the captain for the tech tree ships that I keep but don't play, like at all.

Example: I keep the Baltimore, she has a captain but I don't even play the ship, because I finished the grind for the entire line, and I don't want to play that ship.

If you want, you can have 1 captain for every ship that you have, it's super cheap to buy a Level 1 captain with Credit (7500). Level zero captain is free. Useful when you need to get the First win bonuses during Anniversary or Chrismas/New Year event. Because you can't play a ship that doesn't have a captain.

 

21 hours ago, CarvinMarvin said:

For that matter, is there a difference between what you would do with a line that splits early like the Japanese DDs or British cruisers and ones that split late like the US BBs will?

The IJN gunboat line (Harugumo) has a very different playstyle from the other line (Shimakaze). Shimakaze's line is all about the torpedoes, while Aki, Kita and Haru are all DDs that focus on main guns. Which leaves the Shiratsuyu in a very strange place.

The US BB lines are different in speed, but playstyle is basically the same. The premiums like Massa, Georgia and Ohio are somewhat different and thus can be specced differently.

It goes back to the "depends on the premiums" thing.

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10 hours ago, CarvinMarvin said:

You see. I think there is something wrong with people's understanding of ECXP. I've seen plenty of comments around that seem to suggest that you don't get ECXP except with a 19-point captain.

I have over 30.5k in ECXP, and I have spent some (to complete a triangle point when I'm close, or to finish the re-specialisation of a captain to a new ship), and I know I haven't collected that much from the 500 per day daily mission. I can't remember where I've seen it, but my understanding is just as with free XP part of the commander XP earned by your highest rank captain converts as well. Which for me is currently the 11-point captain on the Prinz Eugen.

I just checked. My Prinz Eugen is my highest ranked 11-point captain, but my 2nd to reach 11. And I DID NOT get any Elite CXP. So I wonder how I got it all. :fish_panic:

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5 minutes ago, CarvinMarvin said:

I just checked. My Prinz Eugen is my highest ranked 11-point captain, but my 2nd to reach 11. And I DID NOT get any Elite CXP. So I wonder how I got it all. :fish_panic:

You need to have 19 point before the captain can farm Elite CXP. However daily missions actually give them.

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6 minutes ago, Reinhard_of_Avercland said:

You need to have 19 point before the captain can farm Elite CXP. However daily missions actually give them.

Yeah, I knew the first daily gives some, I actually had the wrong amount in my head. But I guess I really need to pump that Prinz Eugen when it reaches my holidays.

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On 10/13/2020 at 5:04 AM, CarvinMarvin said:

You see. I think there is something wrong with people's understanding of ECXP. I've seen plenty of comments around that seem to suggest that you don't get ECXP except with a 19-point captain. 

I have over 30.5k in ECXP, and I have spent some (to complete a triangle point when I'm close, or to finish the re-specialisation of a captain to a new ship), and I know I haven't collected that much from the 500 per day daily mission. I can't remember where I've seen it, but my understanding is just as with free XP part of the commander XP earned by your highest rank captain converts as well. Which for me is currently the 11-point captain on the Prinz Eugen.

You can get ECXP without 19 point captains, but that will be just bibs and bobs you get from completing daily missions and directives and the like. And the amount you have pales in comparison to the amount you get from the 19 point captains.

For reference, I currently have 5 million ECXP and I get around 10,000 more in a decent match, even more if I stack flags and camos. Trust me, the main bulk of your ECXP will come from the 19 point captains.

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I achieved my first 19 point captain through a Halloween event that I enjoyed playing. All that elite captain!

I then focused on achieving the next 19 point captain. That meant a 100% increase in the number of captains that could get me ECXP. Rinse and repeat.

Yes, that looks like a diminishing return (i.e., my third elite captain only increases my access to ECXP by 50%; my next captain by 25%, etc.), but that's not exactly what happens. For example: in practice, it's no use having a 19 point tier X captain (or 10 tier X elite captains) if that ranked/CB season is rank VIII. So I work to get a usable elite captain at each tier - so that every ranked/CB event I can be farming ECXP. 

I know some folks try to level up a number of captains at the same time, I think with the aim of achieving captain skill targets across a fleet, but that is going to take for.e.v.e.r.

Bonus tactic: IIRC, I got the idea of focusing on one captain at a time from a @Drakon233 (?) comment ~2 years ago when he noted how fast he can elite a captain by romping all of his elite captains through every premium ship option in his fleet. It works a treat!

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