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If Yoshino/Azuma are Hybrids?

 

Same goes for Shikishima because they carry Huge spaces for Seaplanes.

 

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To be fair, all IJN Heavy and most Light Cruisers carried a heavier seaplane complement then any other nation, so making the Azuma and Yoshino hybrids when they would (theoretically) carry only a token amount more seaplanes than the other IJN heavies doesn't work out in my mind.

On a different note i'd love to see Gotland as a hybrid in the game.

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IJN Doctrine stated Aerial recon element is only tasked to Light Cruiser.

Mogami and Tone originaly is designed as light Cruiser, so the Aviation Cruiser refit was in line with what IJN doctrine lay out. being the Eye and Ear of the Main Fleet, while still being competent escort

 

Yoshino and Azuma were intended to replace aging Kongo Class. which is Fast Skirmisher Battlecruiser not Fleet Recon nor escort

Battlecruiser were intended as Solo Skirimisher or small raiding group, being detached from main fleet. They would have light cruiser to serve as their eye and escort. rather than carry bulk of Planes themself

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59 minutes ago, humusz said:

IJN Doctrine stated Aerial recon element is only tasked to Light Cruiser.

Mogami and Tone originaly is designed as light Cruiser, so the Aviation Cruiser refit was in line with what IJN doctrine lay out. being the Eye and Ear of the Main Fleet, while still being competent escort

 

Yoshino and Azuma were intended to replace aging Kongo Class. which is Fast Skirmisher Battlecruiser not Fleet Recon nor escort

Battlecruiser were intended as Solo Skirimisher or small raiding group, being detached from main fleet. They would have light cruiser to serve as their eye and escort. rather than carry bulk of Planes themself

They should add another hull to Mogami. She can already be a CL or CA, should have another (optional) hull so she can have the option to be an aviation cruiser.

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Fuso and Yamashiro were suppose to undego BBV conversion.

The plan was cancelled.

Ise and Hyuuga were eventually chosen to be converted to BBV.

 

Both Kancolle and Azure Lane have the retrofitted Fuso and Yamashiro as BBV.

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Also, IJN BB have plans for three gun 356 mm / 360 mm turret. They were planned but never built. They were however featured only in Kancolle.

An IJN New Mexico is very much possible. Design A-52. However, design A-52 planned mount were 4 x 3 - 305 mm and not 356 mm / 360 mm.

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2 hours ago, Grygus_Triss said:

They should add another hull to Mogami. She can already be a CL or CA, should have another (optional) hull so she can have the option to be an aviation cruiser.

Nah, they will sell it as premium

because you all will buy it anyway 🤣

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2 hours ago, humusz said:

Nah, they will sell it as premium

because you all will buy it anyway 🤣

Only T8 premium I ever bought was Atago. I've gotton a lot more frugal since then, only really buy ships once or twice a year for use in operations.

I suppose a Mogami Aviation Cruiser could be fun in Ops... Oh wait, Cherry Blossom doesn't allow Axis ships.

Oh, wait, Cherry Blossom isn't available anymore.

Hmmm, what reason did I have for buying T8 premium ships again WG?

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21 hours ago, S0und_Theif said:

An IJN New Mexico is very much possible. Design A-52. However, design A-52 planned mount were 4 x 3 - 305 mm and not 356 mm / 360 mm.

See I'd throw money at that.

I REALLY dislike how all premium IJN BBs are just tech lines in A-hulls or copied with a slight adjustment. Exceptions being Mikasa and Ishi of course but that just adds insult to injury; T2 and T4??? Really?

ATM it's like...

I can play any one of a stack of Kongou sisters (I do - love those ladies)

I can play a worse Nagato at T6 but with novelty torps...

I can play a worse Amagi at T7.

I can play one of two better Amagis at T8 or a different Amagi with 10km Torps and functional AA at T8.

I can play a trollish Yamato at T9.

I can play an undergunned Yamato at T9 that overpens more...

Please WG, can IJN have a proper different BB premium?

Please WG while we're at it can we have a couple of those vanilla improved Captains as well, I have something in the realms of 8-9+ 19 point IJN captains, only one of those has any 'buffed' benefits...

All the while my RN has 3 or 4 x 19s, all buffed, KM has 3 or 4, all buffed... etc etc...

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8 hours ago, S4pp3R said:

10km Torps and functional AA at T9.

I believe Kii is tier 8.

 

8 hours ago, S4pp3R said:

I can play an undergunned Yamato at T9 that overpens more...

I think that would be the Hizen?

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21 hours ago, IJN_Katori said:

Hybrids?

wait till they are available in the separate test server version to play ....

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I suppose the best BBV platform would be those French BB with all forward main armament

 

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There's also Ibuki, 

 

She's more of a Hybrid Mogami CAV and a Carrier conversion.

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2 hours ago, hurricaneflyer said:

I believe Kii is tier 8.

 

I think that would be the Hizen?

That would be my fat hands and posting on my phone, I have now corrected it 😛

Seriously, I turn off autocorrect cause otherwise typing long form text is a nightmare so instead I merely fat-finger my way through things... I wish I had dexterity.

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17 hours ago, mademoisail said:

HER SHOES UWU :fish_cute_2:

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I wouldn't mind Ooyodo as a Researchable Cruiser, same goes with Akashi.

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No No No, let's recruit IJN Kashima ; the class made for good platform for a fast scout cruiser

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3 hours ago, Mechfori said:

No No No, let's recruit IJN Kashima ; the class made for good platform for a fast scout cruiser

Her sister Katori is already in the game.

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Its time to return this discussion

i can feel alot of happening here

BBV Bismarck

BBV Yamato-class

CAV Mogami-class

CAV Ibuki

Mizuho

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BBV RICHELIEU ( and any 8 guns forward French BB ) 

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On 9/18/2020 at 3:39 AM, Thyaliad said:

Her sister Katori is already in the game.

Also the Katori-class was designed as dedicated training ships from the beginning. So they are plump ships that would never go even moderately fast.

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There are 3 dilemmas that could screw the hybrid cruiser for this game:

  1. The plane mechanic won't work unless it is automated when attacking the target like the video shows. Mid tier CVs in this game has similar armor scheme with most cruisers in this game, and taking hits when they are controlling their planes happen very frequently.
  2. The squadron size is not enough to bust through the average AA, especially if the plane's survivability mirrors the CV counterpart (IJN plane = AA food). In fact unless your plane is top tier & British, you need a squadron worth 2 strikes in order to guarantee a single strike. WG will either have to nerf AA universally, or buff the plane's HP massively to compensate the small squadron size.
  3. Continuing from point #2. If it remains unsolved, DD-mains won't be happy because the hybrids might focus on spotting them instead of attacking the others due to their literally useless planes. But #$%% DDs, right? (I'm not being sarcastic)..

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I suddenly have a bad feeling that WG might or will use the hybrid mechanic for modern warships / missile warships.

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