632 [KOREA] WorIdofWarsheeps Moderator, Community Contributor 846 posts 8,354 battles Report post #1 Posted September 11, 2020 She has lowest deck armor among all *T9 Heavy cruiser and Battleships. even some light cruisers are comparable with her 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
297 [NCOTS] rookieFTW Member 473 posts 11,465 battles Report post #2 Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) No God please no Wait, looks like she has a highly raised citadel as well. Screw this Edited September 11, 2020 by rookieFTW Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
256 [KAMI] Verytis Member 494 posts 6,194 battles Report post #3 Posted September 11, 2020 This turd would lose to an Amagi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
424 [WWS] Project45_Opytny Member 1,505 posts 6,722 battles Report post #4 Posted September 11, 2020 Oh well no. This is just cruel. Don't the developers forget the pre-buff Izumo? "We've heard that you have been crying that this ship would make Montana obsolete..." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
451 [REPOI] HoChunHao Member 271 posts 13,153 battles Report post #5 Posted September 11, 2020 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,418 [-CAT-] S0und_Theif Member 2,809 posts 12,392 battles Report post #6 Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) 32 mm deck armor + IFHE CLAA= Edited September 11, 2020 by S0und_Theif 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,418 [-CAT-] S0und_Theif Member 2,809 posts 12,392 battles Report post #7 Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) She also has the Yamato "cheek" citadel. Which means = Edited September 12, 2020 by S0und_Theif 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
151 [-NZ-] Sharr_Dextera Member 391 posts 9,733 battles Report post #8 Posted September 11, 2020 Usual treatment to Japanese premium ships... WeeGee : You wanna good ships (especially with biased OP) comrade? Look no further, we got plenty of russians ships, comrade. Because as you know, we are the largest navy in the World (of Warships) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,864 [151ST] S4pp3R Member 3,025 posts 11,098 battles Report post #9 Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Sharr_Dextera said: Usual treatment to Japanese premium ships... WeeGee : You wanna good ships (especially with biased OP) comrade? Look no further, we got plenty of russians ships, comrade. Because as you know, we are the largest navy in the World (of Warships) Yeah but we have Musashi... ... And Yamato... and Haku... This was always going to happen. Montana level broadsides at lower tiers, something has got to give and WG seem intent on pushing Sniper gameplay... Average IJN prems is the name of the game thanks to our Lord and Saviour; Musashi... Edited September 12, 2020 by S4pp3R Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,425 [FORCE] Reinhard_of_Avercland Modder 2,688 posts 12,936 battles Report post #10 Posted September 12, 2020 39 minutes ago, S4pp3R said: Yeah but we have Musashi... ... And Yamato... and Haku... This was always going to happen. Montana level broadsides at lower tiers, something has got to give and WG seem intent on pushing Sniper gameplay... Average IJN prems is the name of the game thanks to our Lord and Saviour; Musashi... Musashi used to be dreadful to play though, especially during the last days of the RTS CV. She only begins to stand out after WG neutered CVs high alpha per strike. And there have been numerous changes that buffed her indirectly like the MM fix, and no odd tier CVs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,864 [151ST] S4pp3R Member 3,025 posts 11,098 battles Report post #11 Posted September 12, 2020 24 minutes ago, Reinhard_of_Avercland said: Musashi used to be dreadful to play though, especially during the last days of the RTS CV. She only begins to stand out after WG neutered CVs high alpha per strike. And there have been numerous changes that buffed her indirectly like the MM fix, and no odd tier CVs. I still find her garbage to play, same as Yamato. I don't like their static longer-range bias. I tend to play both more aggressively (sub-optimally). *shrugs* Musashi is objectively strong though, which was my point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
681 [CLAY] Earl_of_Arland [CLAY] Member 692 posts 3,522 battles Report post #12 Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) "Montana would be overshadowed by the new IJN premium BB!" slap 25 mm deck and thinner armor to appease "I wonder why IJN premium always suck" It's USN bias kameraden! No no, Soviet Russia bias is out of fashion, All Hail Kapitalist one! Edited September 12, 2020 by Earl_of_Arland 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,425 [FORCE] Reinhard_of_Avercland Modder 2,688 posts 12,936 battles Report post #13 Posted September 12, 2020 35 minutes ago, Earl_of_Arland said: "Montana would be overshadowed by the new IJN premium BB!" slap 25 mm deck and thinnet armor to appease "I wonder why IJN premium always suck" WoWs playerbase in a nutshell "Radar ruins DDs life." makes radar exclusive for certain nations "Why does [insert ship here} have no radar? [insert ship here] has radar on its model!" And I don't think Hizen will have AA that is comparable to Montana's. As bland as Montana is compared to the other T10 tech tree BBs, I'd pick Montana even though I've got Conqueror much earlier (I loath Conqueror's crappy accuracy). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
138 [IJN] hurricaneflyer Member 311 posts 5,152 battles Report post #14 Posted September 12, 2020 mHHhhhhhm yes Yugoslavian Japanese war crimes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
225 [TWR] Metal_illness Alpha Tester 1,608 posts 5,642 battles Report post #15 Posted September 12, 2020 You can't say that and not expect a hefty BAM!. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
783 [LBAS] THAI_THIEF Member 5,104 posts 11,365 battles Report post #16 Posted September 13, 2020 A snail body for the fire Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
424 [WWS] Project45_Opytny Member 1,505 posts 6,722 battles Report post #17 Posted September 17, 2020 Time to dig this up... Though this still reminds me of the infamous pre-buff Izumo, at least this is now a rational value with examples before (like, perhaps, French battleships and Thunderer)? https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/77 Japanese battleship Hizen, Tier IX Deck armor increased from 25 to 32 mm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,864 [151ST] S4pp3R Member 3,025 posts 11,098 battles Report post #18 Posted September 18, 2020 8 hours ago, Project45_Opytny said: Time to dig this up... Though this still reminds me of the infamous pre-buff Izumo, at least this is now a rational value with examples before (like, perhaps, French battleships and Thunderer)? https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/77 Japanese battleship Hizen, Tier IX Deck armor increased from 25 to 32 mm. Yeah 32 is nothing to write home about at T9... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
681 [CLAY] Earl_of_Arland [CLAY] Member 692 posts 3,522 battles Report post #19 Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) Now it's back. Will the opinion shifted again from "Why IJN Premium always suck" to "Montana killer"? Time will tell. See you next time on Earl's News! Edited September 18, 2020 by Earl_of_Arland 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Ex1zyst Member 1 post 699 battles Report post #20 Posted December 31, 2020 somehow i was able to pen citadel hizen with my colorado at 17km(he midlessly showing broadside) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,418 [-CAT-] S0und_Theif Member 2,809 posts 12,392 battles Report post #21 Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) oops, wrong post. please delete. Edited December 31, 2020 by S0und_Theif Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
11 Minato_Aquakinn Member 38 posts 1,637 battles Report post #22 Posted December 31, 2020 this ship let me remind the old Izumo, but it’s shells seems different from shells on Izumo.... Anyway, I don’t like this ship, not for her 32mm deck, but for her weak guns Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
138 [IJN] hurricaneflyer Member 311 posts 5,152 battles Report post #23 Posted December 31, 2020 9 hours ago, Minato_Aquakinn said: but for her weak guns Are you sure about that? Izumo's (and by probable extension Hizen's) guns are some of the best performing 406/410mm guns in the game, though they can be a tad inaccurate. They have high velocity, penetration and range and in my humble opinion the best of the 406/410mm guns in the game excluding Slava. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
225 [TWR] Metal_illness Alpha Tester 1,608 posts 5,642 battles Report post #24 Posted December 31, 2020 I'm enjoying Hizen, guns are great, AA is very average, a torp squadron can get 2 full drop runs on you before they leave you alone. And that's unacceptable in the current meta, my own torp squadrons from ALL CV tier 8-10 get 0-1 drops per launch on pretty much all ships from tier 9-10. Usually at this point it's game over anyway, as the HE rain and full enemy team focused fire has begun, as the rest of your team is dead. Hizen cannot defend herself and fight out of a corner at end game, but Hizen is a great ship at start and mid game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,864 [151ST] S4pp3R Member 3,025 posts 11,098 battles Report post #25 Posted January 1 4 hours ago, hurricaneflyer said: Are you sure about that? Izumo's (and by probable extension Hizen's) guns are some of the best performing 406/410mm guns in the game, though they can be a tad inaccurate. They have high velocity, penetration and range and in my humble opinion the best of the 406/410mm guns in the game excluding Slava. Hizen on paper is like the middle ground between Izumo and Amagi with pen/travel time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
