How I feel about T8

[Verytis]

Any CV --> Enterprise

North Coralina --> Massachusetts

Mogami --> Atago

Hipper --> Mainz

Edinburgh --> Some other HE/Smoke cruiser.

Kagero/Akizuki --> Asashio/Harekaze

Benson --> Kidd

Z23 --> Loyang

Lightining --> Cossack

[Max_Battle]

I don't understand your charting/symbology.

Are they "Greater than" symbols?

[Verytis]

2 hours ago, Max_Battle said:

I don't understand your charting/symbology.

Are they "Greater than" symbols?

In the middle is an arrow symbol, pointing from left to right.

[Max_Battle]

9 minutes ago, Verytis said:

In the middle is an arrow symbol, pointing from left to right.

But what does that mean?

[Grygus_Triss]

Are you saying that if you want any tech tree ship you may as well get the equivalent premium?

[Rina_Pon]

@Verytis

You aren't wrong, but a case can be made for N. Cal, Lightning, and Kagero at least.

[S4pp3R]

I think he's saying when he sees those ships, all he thinks of is the OP/stronk version...?
Like why play ___ when you can play ___ ?

[Grygus_Triss]

24 minutes ago, S4pp3R said:

I think he's saying when he sees those ships, all he thinks of is the OP/stronk version...?
Like why play ___ when you can play ___ ?

Ah.

Well, 1. I’m working my way up the tech tree.

2. I’m cheap, I don’t buy T8 premiums much... I think I only ever bough Atago.

3. The IJN DDs? Arguable, All four offer unique gameplay and can do things the others can’t, it’s just a matter of what you want to do more; shoot stuff to Pieces, torpedo BBs at 20km, be a general use torp boat, or have a bit of everything.

[notyourfather]

Edin -> Payfast'43

[Max_Battle]

24 minutes ago, S4pp3R said:

I think he's saying when he sees those ships, all he thinks of is the OP/stronk version...?
Like why play ___ when you can play ___ ?

Oh, OK.

Well then...

3 hours ago, Verytis said:

Any CV --> Enterprise

North Coralina --> Massachusetts

Mogami --> Atago

Hipper --> Mainz

Edinburgh --> Some other HE/Smoke cruiser.

Kagero/Akizuki --> Asashio/Harekaze

Benson --> Kidd

Z23 --> Loyang

Lightining --> Cossack

 

North Carolina better if you don't know what you are going in to and is a better all round pick. If you get a team who pushes, then Massachusettes rocks.

 

Mogami 152mm or Mogami 203mm?

Hipper for up close and personal  , I don't think a lot of people trust how good she is up close, while Mainz great HE spammer at range.

Benson better all rounder. I'm not sure the differnce in the effect of AA currently makes Kidd the stand out choice and also doesn't have torpedo flexibility.

 

 

 

[mademoisail]

I freaking love the North Carolina (although I am a native South Carolinian 😉). I think she is a super well-rounded battleship.  I just notice that I have to play her a little differently when I get up-tiered, but she is fun to play regardless. 

[hurricaneflyer]

21 hours ago, Verytis said:

Edinburgh --> Some other HE/Smoke cruiser.

This just shows how badly people think the Kutuzov has fallen off nowadays...

 

[Metal_illness]

MK47 can still smoke up and spam HE well due to fast RoF, but it's all for show, often it still does the job of scaring the enemy off, but very little else.

It's damage output has dropped significantly, maybe an effect of the IFHE changes, dunno, haven't really looked into it.

If an enemy wants to, it can easily push into an MK47 holding a flank.

[MissMeMiss]

T8 are my specialty because this tiers is where I stop leveling up due to T9 & T10 credit income are close to non existent without premium account & good performance. I don't play CV lot enough since overhaul.

BB :

• Easy Difficulty = Sovyet BB
• Medium Difficulty = Any other nations BB
• Sadistic Difficulty = German BB

CA :

• Easy Difficulty = Sovyet CA
• Medium Difficulty = Any other nations CA
• Sadistic Difficulty = American CA

DD :

• Easy Difficulty = IJN DD
• Medium Difficulty = Any other nations DD
• Sadistic Difficulty = Sovyet DD

[Metal_illness]

Another pro tip about tier 8:

DO NOT play them in mornings with server population is low, you will CONSTANTLY fight tier 10s, all the rude players bringing their tier 10s KNOWING they can score some easy xp and credits, feeding on weak tier 8s that the MM forces to tier up in "random" battles due to .... LOW SERVER POPULATION.

[Adorable_Arona]

23 hours ago, Verytis said:

Hipper --> Mainz

What do you mean?

Did you just assume Hipper is worse than Mainz? 

Alright then.

W H O M S T   D A R E D   T O   S U M M O N   T H E   A L M I G H T Y   O N E ? !

Alright, to start things off:

Mainz has lighter and thus floatier shells compared to the glorious and majestic one found on Hipper, hence might be a discomfort to use at longer ranges where Hipper usually excells at. However, i also assume that it's not floaty enough to warrant island hugging like USN CLs were, so you have to resort with the same kite playstyle as Hipper at the end.

Secondly, Hipper has the advantage of 27 mm plating, so she can tank more.

Uhhh, what's else...right, 

Hipper does not cost you real money

Both ships fulfills different roles, so you cannot directly compared them one on one basis.

1 hour ago, MissMeMiss said:

• Easy Difficulty = Soviet CA
• Medium Difficulty = Any other nations CA
• Sadistic Difficulty = American CA

I suggest you move Soviet and American CAs to Medium (both due to their practical maximum output, one painfully crap and one rather easy), British CL to Hard (fragile, like my ego for Hipper). Soviet CL is borderline easy, but fragile that it'a a grey area between easy and medium.

[Rina_Pon]

5 hours ago, mademoisail said:

I freaking love the North Carolina (although I am a native South Carolinian 😉). I think she is a super well-rounded battleship.  I just notice that I have to play her a little differently when I get up-tiered, but she is fun to play regardless. 

N. Cal is the battleship's battleship. The pure distillation of battleship essence.

[Max_Battle]

2 minutes ago, Rina_Pon said:

N. Cal is the battleship's battleship. The pure distillation of battleship essence.

She does feel good.

Looks good too.

 

[Thyaliad]

Eh I am not know about some of these comparisons as they are quite different from each other.

Yeah sure Kidd is good when it comes to AA and gun duels, but I don't think it is going to be winning against Benson when it comes to torpedoes. Same goes for Lightning versus Cossack.

155mm Mogami has Atago beat in terms of raw firepower, but Atago has the advantage of a heal.

The IJN DDs have different advantages the others don't. Asashio's torps can't hit anything except BBs and CVs, so if you are up against a lot cruisers or DDs you would you were playing Kagerou instead. And while Harekaze is a good DD all around, she is not without her own weaknesses - she has the lowest HP of all DDs in tier and her torpedoes are essentially Kagerou's stock torps. In terms of being a gunboat Akizuki easily beats Harekaze, as she has  more guns and more HP.

 

[Manacetamol]

On 8/18/2020 at 9:28 AM, Verytis said:

Any CV --> Enterprise

North Coralina --> Massachusetts

Mogami --> Atago

Hipper --> Mainz

Edinburgh --> Some other HE/Smoke cruiser.

Kagero/Akizuki --> Asashio/Harekaze

Benson --> Kidd

Z23 --> Loyang

Lightining --> Cossack

lemme fix this

Any CV --> Enterprise/Kaga/GZ

North Carolina --> Massachusetts Alabama/Vladivostok

Bismarck >> Massachusettes/Tirpitz

Richelieu >> Lenin ??

Amagi >> Kii/Asama

Monarch >> Roma ??

Mogami [203] --> Atago

Hipper --> Mainz Prinz Eugen

Edinburgh --> Some other HE/Smoke cruiser. Kutuzov[Smoker]/Chapayev[Rader]

Akizuki << >> Cossack/Kidd/Z-35

Kagero/Akizuki --> Asashio/Harekaze/Yukikaze

Benson --> Kidd Lo Yang

Ognevoi >> Siliwangi

Z23 --> Loyang

Lightining --> Cossack

Le Fantasque >> Le Terrible

[Verytis]

Ok, I should probs explain that this was based on what I've been putting up with, in ranked.  Most ranked teams were composed of more premium ships than their tech-tree counterparts. It started off more as a rant with a side potential of discussion. But it was interesting to watch the thread keep going.

 

All of the DDs I listed have better survivability, better gun power, or both, in comparison to their counterparts. This is because DDs were often preoccupied with contesting caps and screening. With both sides having multiple RPF ships tracking your rough location. Adding to that is hydro from both DDs and CAs.

Torpedoes are restricted to a more lategame role as a result. As long as their opposing DD is able to contest with you, your torpedoes have low probability of being used against BBs. This makes it important that you can outlast their DD, whether by bullying them with stealth or guns.

 

Cossack has the best concealment rivaling a Kagero. Better stealth than Lighting with an extra turret. Lighting's forward turret layout is no longer ideal when your opponents can out-trade you.

Kidd's main potential is the heal, that gives it a much larger hp pool when stacked with flags and SI.

Loyang gets better stealth and hydro, and is very effective at controlling caps. Many of the caps have cover nearby, or within it, allowing it brush off against radar in some cases.

Harekaze gains substantial gunpower in exchange for slightly weaker torps. Although the HP and rudder does hurt, it also has Kagero's stealth that lets it push other DDs around. Turret layout is useful for kiting.

 

T8 CAs are notably fragile due to most BBs overmatching them, while having no access to heal.

Hipper's 27mm armour has little meaning, since most BB guns simply overmatch it. Mainz's 25mm armour is not a meaningful downgrade.

Atago has better survivability with both heal and some functional deck armour. Also a turret layout more friendly for kiting.

Edinburgh can be traded with another smoke cruiser that has HE. Radar can be somewhat useful, but you really need allies that can exploit your spotting. Every DD player knows to just angle against your AP. Radar ships seem to be the few that don't have any premiums good at replacing their tech tree counterparts, although radar ships in general was just unusually rare throughout the entire season. Presumably because CVs can chunk them down while they're camping behind island to use their radar.

 

Massachusetts' secondaries are very accurate and will rapidly chunk a DD's hp the moment it stops maneuvering hard against it. It allows you to help DDs in contesting areas by presenting a "go away" zone around yourself. Although I do imagine North Cal. is a solid choice in randoms, where you fight at longer ranges with more players and also getting uptiered often.

[Max_Battle]

Nothing like context.

Me, I would have titled the thread, 'What ships I think are better than others for T8 ranked"

But you do you.

[Verytis]

28 minutes ago, Max_Battle said:

Nothing like context.

Me, I would have titled the thread, 'What ships I think are better than others for T8 ranked"

But you do you.

But the current title felt more baity

[Max_Battle]

Just now, Verytis said:

But the current title felt more baity

Yes. Yes it did.

Well not until you said what you intended the context to be.

But now, yes. Yes it is.

[Max_Battle]

1 minute ago, Verytis said:

But the current title felt more baity

(Just make a MAKRA thread if you need attention. Trust bruv).