Are special captains REALLY worth 175000 coal?

[hurricaneflyer]

This is something that's bugged me for quite a while now.

Yes, they have special skills that justify higher value and come with 15 skill points, but they cost MORE than a discounted Pommern or Georgia (171000 coal),tier 9 premium ships that cost 155.80 NZD in the premium shop. Is it really necessary for them to be this expensive? Please tell me WG. In all seriousness, in my opinion these captains just cost far too much,especially compared to the other captains in the Armory (35000 coal/ 1500 dubs) or what you else you could get equivalently as stated before. If you really don't want to lower the price WG, would it break the bank to give us a  discount coupon for the captains?

Just a thought.

Sorry if the rant is unjustified.

 

[EULA_violator]

for Kuznetsov, it's a definite yes, you can even say that kremlin isnt complete without him. 

players who have the coal to consider getting him generally fall into the catagory of those who have lots of games and lot's of high tier ships

in "competitive" modes like ranked the boosts that he brings is more often than not a key factor in who wins and who loses, especially since he synergizes so damn well with all the powerful Russian high tiers like stalin, krem, moskva, groz ect to the point where you can literally add 0.5 tiers to each of them just for having that captain on him

i didnt get lutgens and im not interested in the German line so no comment there but i feel that the only 2 ships that synergies well with him (hindy/GK) where it matters arnt that good anyways and so never bothered

[S4pp3R]

25 minutes ago, CV_NMSL said:

i didnt get lutgens and im not interested in the German line so no comment there but i feel that the only 2 ships that synergies well with him (hindy/GK) where it matters arnt that good anyways and so never bothered

I disagree with Hindy, she's a good ship.

Lutjens problem is that his perks are split amongst a stack and aren't 'easy' to proc.

Sansonetti is an example of an excellent captain that isn't broken.

Kuznetzov is an example of an excellent captain that is broken.

Lutjens is an example of an ok one that is situationally good IMO.

[EULA_violator]

6 minutes ago, S4pp3R said:

I disagree with Hindy, she's a good ship.

let me rephrase, i cant play hindy well compared to the other firepower cruisers in my port, yes she's arguable the best "standard" HE spamming CA at T10, but next to stuff like thunderer, yoshino and Smolensk she doesn't stand out that much.

im sure Hindy mains will disagree with me but that's just my experience

[Metal_illness]

All Captains skills are split to different except Kutsnetsov, AND his skills are OBVIOUS bias in action...

He is the only Captain I didn't regret spending 175k coal on.

[EULA_violator]

32 minutes ago, S4pp3R said:

I disagree with Hindy, she's a good ship.

Lutjens problem is that his perks are split amongst a stack and aren't 'easy' to proc.

Sansonetti is an example of an excellent captain that isn't broken.

Kuznetzov is an example of an excellent captain that is broken.

Lutjens is an example of an ok one that is situationally good IMO.

can you get the frenchy captain in the armory now? philipe is actually a really good pick for most french ships

[S4pp3R]

22 minutes ago, CV_NMSL said:

can you get the frenchy captain in the armory now? philipe is actually a really good pick for most french ships

Yeah I'm 90% sure you can, I think I looked at him a number of times, decided he was DD optimal (for me, for reasons I forget) and so ignored him.

[Not_Ch0m1n]

I would say YES, If you want to buy Kutznesov or Sansonetti. Both of them are worth it.

[Manacetamol]

3 hours ago, CV_NMSL said:

 

im sure Hindy mains will disagree with me but that's just my experience

nope nope, after ZAO, Hindenburg is the 2nd ship I give up

[Reinhard_of_Avercland]

Overpriced or not, it's still affordable.

I mean WG could have sold them in steel if they want to.

[MrJJ_sniper]

@OP , have you checked what Nikolay Kuznetsov  and Luigi Sansonetti can do!?!? , put them into Kremlin or any Soviet ships and Venezia and let me know...

[UnderTheRadarAgain]

175K coal for 10 point captains (Op says 15, but they are only 10 points) is too expensive. They should be 15 point captains for that price. Personal opinion only.

[Rina_Pon]

@hurricaneflyer

The value of coal depends on the individual player.

We can agree that since T9 ships can be bought for $90 US, and cost about 225k coal, 1000 coal is worth about 40 cents. We can also determine that a 175k captain costs the equivalent of $70, an extraordinary premium over the $5-10 cost of a regular 10 point captain.

But coal is an in-game resource that builds up as you play, essentially for free, whether you want it to or not.

Well, yes, sure, you can buy ships with it, or event containers, or special modules, or more consumables. But once you get to a certain point in your WoWS career you have everything you want already, you have more ships than you have time to play, and little interest in getting yet more coal ships even if there are ones left you don't have yet. For this person, the value of the coal is much less than the equivalent dollar figure computed above. It's pretty near worthless.

Spending this resource on a unique captain with some visual and stat enhancements to put on his or her favorite ship is perfectly reasonable. The cost isn't an issue, it keeps up artificial scarcity which in turn makes it a more desirable accessory. The actual benefits are minor, they should be minor to avoid pay-to-win, it's a cosmetic enhancement as much as anything, plus a slight buff, for the satisfaction of being able to say "I've maxed out my favorite ship!"

Personally I'd rather spend 175k coal (-discount) for a captain to put on a ship I love and play often, than spend 225k coal (-discount) on a port queen. Not that Georgia and Jean Bart are bad ships, exactly, but I play my T-61 with Lutgens far more frequently than either of those BBs.

[hurricaneflyer]

On 8/17/2020 at 5:06 PM, lunsmann said:

(Op says 15, but they are only 10 points)

Sorry, my mistake.

On 8/17/2020 at 2:18 PM, MrJJ_sniper said:

@OP , have you checked what Nikolay Kuznetsov  and Luigi Sansonetti can do!?!? , put them into Kremlin or any Soviet ships and Venezia and let me know...

I would...

If I had any of the things you mentioned.

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[Bot_Leader]

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