2,301 [FORCE] Reinhard_of_Avercland Modder, Member 3,916 posts 16,964 battles Report post #1 Posted July 10, 2020 https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/221777-096-modifications-folder-issue/ So the main reason of why the update wiped out all mods stored in the previous patch is that WG "encourages" the players to stop using the outdated mods. WG apparently made it clear this clean up will happen on every update since 0.9.6. But here are the points that WG might have missed: Modders are always obliged to put the patch version on their published mods on the forum. Most modders always have to verify whether their mods are working after the update or not. All old mods that remain outdated for 3 consecutive updates will be locked into the archive until the modders update them. Modpack creators are always in contact with the modders, which negates the possibility for the outdated mods to be downloadable in the modpacks. All players that wish to use mods are strongly encouraged to only get the mods that are published on the forum, or from the modpacks which are approved by WG (Aslain's & Modstation). That being said, WG went overboard on handling this issue with the outdated mods. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,435 [LBAS] Skarhabek Member 2,652 posts 4,701 battles Report post #2 Posted July 10, 2020 just put the old mod file to newer mod folder...... it might cause error but it rarely happen aslain download link sometimes is really SLOOOOWW Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,916 [LBAS] Manacetamol Modder, Member 7,189 posts 51,597 battles Report post #3 Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) ah well, this patch strucked me down update and upload every single of them Edited July 10, 2020 by MatterCore 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
188 [AMPOL] yobbo1972 Beta Tester 1,656 posts 18,521 battles Report post #4 Posted July 11, 2020 when has WG ever used logic?? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
41 Fanmarsh Member 77 posts 5,842 battles Report post #5 Posted July 11, 2020 what if mods with [ALL] tag in it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,971 [TLS] dejiko_nyo Member 5,736 posts 23,420 battles Report post #6 Posted July 11, 2020 Logic and wg = error. Cannot compute . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
584 [SEARN] HobartAWD [SEARN] Member 1,125 posts 20,393 battles Report post #7 Posted July 11, 2020 Your mistake was looking for logic in things WG do in WOWS. WG and logic........ Yeah, don't even try to travel down that road. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,324 [CLAY] Grygus_Triss Member 3,935 posts 16,782 battles Report post #8 Posted July 11, 2020 WG use logic? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,834 [-CAT-] S0und_Theif Member 5,277 posts 18,737 battles Report post #9 Posted July 11, 2020 (edited) WG / Lesta and Logic is like oil and water. They don't mix. WG / Lesta favors ego over logic. And their black magick god "the spreadsheet". Edited July 11, 2020 by S0und_Theif Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
20 [LU-NA] Arzach Member 118 posts 4,729 battles Report post #10 Posted July 11, 2020 57 minutes ago, S0und_Theif said: WG / Lesta and Logic is like oil and water. They don't mix. WG / Lesta favors ego over logic. And their black magick god "the spreadsheet". At least spreadsheet doesn't lie... people who wrongly interpret it who's lying tho. The same with statistics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,834 [-CAT-] S0und_Theif Member 5,277 posts 18,737 battles Report post #11 Posted July 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Arzach said: At least spreadsheet doesn't lie... people who wrongly interpret it who's lying tho. The same with statistics. The spreadsheet can lie. In a way. Remember there are bots (script using players and account sharing players) in the game. And the spreadsheet can not distinguish between bot and player. The spreadsheet collects all data. That said, I have to (half) agree with you that the interpreter is lying. They can not distinguish bot and player. They can only see potato or unicrum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
584 [SEARN] HobartAWD [SEARN] Member 1,125 posts 20,393 battles Report post #12 Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, Grygus_Triss said: WG use logic? Apparently so. I have been told it is the crucial ingredient for making balans and bias work as intended in game. Edited July 12, 2020 by HobartAWD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
20 [LU-NA] Arzach Member 118 posts 4,729 battles Report post #13 Posted July 12, 2020 14 hours ago, S0und_Theif said: The spreadsheet can lie. In a way. Remember there are bots (script using players and account sharing players) in the game. And the spreadsheet can not distinguish between bot and player. The spreadsheet collects all data. That said, I have to (half) agree with you that the interpreter is lying. They can not distinguish bot and player. They can only see potato or unicrum. Well, if you included bots into the variables then you're right... But WG can distinguish bots tho. They just can't do anything to it because it will violate their ToS or something like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,834 [-CAT-] S0und_Theif Member 5,277 posts 18,737 battles Report post #14 Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Arzach said: Well, if you included bots into the variables then you're right... But WG can distinguish bots tho. No they don't. There was a player who was able to use those illegal scripts, with his / her alt account, without being detected. And bragged about it (sarcasmly) in the forum. But, he / she dislike the bots but he / she just took a different approach on letting WG know about it. He / she was wrong for posting it in public though. But it just shows that WG can not distinguish between bot users and real players. I can still remember it took WG 1 month to ban a clan full of bots during the PR PR fiasco. It also took a lot of people to point it out before WG got the attention and took action. There are bot users that WG removed only to come back again with a different account. There are bot users who replaced their IGN in hopes that they will never get caught. There are bot users who try to fool WG by being a griever. 12 hours ago, Arzach said: They just can't do anything to it because it will violate their ToS or something like that. They can do something about it. It's part of their EULA agreement. https://legal.asia.wargaming.net/en/game-rules-wows/ Sections 2.12, 2.15, 2.16, 2.17, 2.19, 5.07 and 5.8 They have 2 strike policy or 3 strike policy. WG just tolerate them because: Money Bot (srcipt users and account sharing) are required to have a T8 / T9 premium ship as a minimum requirement. So that they can have good credit and FXP return. IGN rename also gives WG money. IGN rename will cost 2 000 doubloons. Once they got what they wanted they change their IGN in hopes of not getting caught or keep doing it and constantly changing IGN. Population We used to only have 14k players at peak. Now we have 23k. But lately it's only reaching 18k. So 4k to 5k players are either bots, quit the game, or not time to play. Sub_O's trolllish / uprofessional response. (Which goes against WG EULA agreement.) So spreadsheet data is slightly / mostly artificial. Not all but there is discrepancy in the variable. Edited July 12, 2020 by S0und_Theif Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
693 [BALD] Ireina_Victorica [BALD] Member 712 posts 5,626 battles Report post #15 Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) They do have logic, as shown here but sometimes, the logic cannot be understood Edited July 12, 2020 by Earl_of_Arland 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,834 [-CAT-] S0und_Theif Member 5,277 posts 18,737 battles Report post #16 Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Earl_of_Arland said: They do have logic, as shown here but sometimes, the logic cannot be understood WG / Lesta and Logic: Edited July 12, 2020 by S0und_Theif Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,301 [FORCE] Reinhard_of_Avercland Modder, Member 3,916 posts 16,964 battles Report post #17 Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Earl_of_Arland said: They do have logic, as shown here but sometimes, the logic cannot be understood It became top BB in plane shot down because most players are fully aware of how tanky Kiremlin is towards the normal shells, thus the high plane kills. Because most CV players with enough common sense would certainly try to kill the Kremlin before it gets too close. I have both Montana & Kremlin, and I say Kremlin's AA is nowhere near Montana's level. But because it is a basic knowledge to know how godly the American's AA stats are, you would never send your planes to them unless it is a last resort. Thus the lower plane kill. And of course Montana is much easier to deal with, you can take any BB, CL, CA, DD; and go 1 vs 1 against her. So yeah his logic is broken... Edited July 12, 2020 by Reinhard_of_Avercland Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,971 [TLS] dejiko_nyo Member 5,736 posts 23,420 battles Report post #18 Posted July 12, 2020 Reads too much spreadshit. Does not use his brain to dissect out why things are like that. Are inept players affecting the numbers? Are good players taking advantage of the situation? How are the ships played? When you read numbers in a spreadsheet, you need to analyse WHY are you getting such numbers. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites