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[IJN_Katori]

This notice is not NDA so please read:

 

 

Seems like they are now avoiding all reveals and also not repeating a Disaster (Puerto Rico).

no more WIP Stats. 

[IJN_Katori]

the new Russian Cruiser tree has been taking alot of negativity due to CC Complaint, their solution? WG shut them up.

 

Also this rule probably for playerbase wise and not CC wise

 

 

 

[S4pp3R]

Yeah to be honest, I completely understand this decision. Just go and take a dip into the salt factory that is reddit and you'll understand.

Having said that, WG have been so deaf to community feedback with all sorts of things and have made poor decision after poor decision which it definitely feels like can happen more if we aren't seeing this content until later in the timeline.

I support this decision if they actually flipping listen to their CCs/STs, as most have been harping on about many of these issues that somehow make it into the game.

No more Kremlins and Smolensks please...

[S0und_Theif]

hmmm

Must be WG way of saying

to the CC's.

[Thyaliad]

I am of two minds about this.

On one hand, I completely understand where WG is coming from. The general WoWs playerbase is one big cesspool of negativity. Players seem to do nothing but complain about every new bit of news. The latest is AP rockets - we barely know anything about them but that didn't stop people from complaining to WG. It is almost like people want to be offended and outraged.

On the other hand, it is also WG's fault the playerbase is acting like this. WG has shown little competence as devs. From the PR debacle to the RB to the Smolensk, it is like the playerbase is being conditioned to expect nothing but bad news from WG. Sure WG, can argue that WIP stats are simply WIP stats and they would be right. But some of the stats are so out there that it calls WG's competence into question for even coming up with them. See the new Russian cruisers and their stealth radar.

Also WG has given the impression that it doesn't even listen to its CCs and testers on WIP ships. Some ships were released with little change from their WIP stats despite feedback. Remember Yuudachi? Almost every CC panned that ship when it was still WIP and said nobody was growing to buy that crap. But WG decided to release her anyway. Indomitable was another one. Went dark for a long time after CCs and testers found her to be wanting. Everybody had assumed she had been sent back to the drawing board. Then suddenly she was released without fanfare, just like that.

Well whatever, I don't really care. If a Premium ship comes it comes. Whatever gimmick is introduced, I will adapt as I always have.

On the plus side for CCs it means they will have less work to do. I remember some CCs complaining about the sheer amount of work they have to do when it comes to previewing WIP ships. Since they will only get the greenlight when the ships have been finalised, they don't need to do content for each WIP iteration of the ship.

Also I guess it streamlines the handling of CCs and testers. I remember somebody (was it Little White Mouse or Lert?) stating that testers and CCs had different embargo times and NDAs - which made  zero sense. Now CCs will be treated the same way as testers - just that they need to do some content.

[S4pp3R]

1 hour ago, Thyaliad said:

I am of two minds about this.

On one hand, I completely understand where WG is coming from. The general WoWs playerbase is one big cesspool of negativity. Players seem to do nothing but complain about every new bit of news. The latest is AP rockets - we barely know anything about them but that didn't stop people from complaining to WG. It is almost like people want to be offended and outraged.

On the other hand, it is also WG's fault the playerbase is acting like this. WG has shown little competence as devs. From the PR debacle to the RB to the Smolensk, it is like the playerbase is being conditioned to expect nothing but bad news from WG. Sure WG, can argue that WIP stats are simply WIP stats and they would be right. But some of the stats are so out there that it calls WG's competence into question for even coming up with them. See the new Russian cruisers and their stealth radar.

Also WG has given the impression that it doesn't even listen to its CCs and testers on WIP ships. Some ships were released with little change from their WIP stats despite feedback. Remember Yuudachi? Almost every CC panned that ship when it was still WIP and said nobody was growing to buy that crap. But WG decided to release her anyway. Indomitable was another one. Went dark for a long time after CCs and testers found her to be wanting. Everybody had assumed she had been sent back to the drawing board. Then suddenly she was released without fanfare, just like that.

Well whatever, I don't really care. If a Premium ship comes it comes. Whatever gimmick is introduced, I will adapt as I always have.

On the plus side for CCs it means they will have less work to do. I remember some CCs complaining about the sheer amount of work they have to do when it comes to previewing WIP ships. Since they will only get the greenlight when the ships have been finalised, they don't need to do content for each WIP iteration of the ship.

Also I guess it streamlines the handling of CCs and testers. I remember somebody (was it Little White Mouse or Lert?) stating that testers and CCs had different embargo times and NDAs - which made  zero sense. Now CCs will be treated the same way as testers - just that they need to do some content.

It wouldn't surprise me if this actually means that CCs will be looking for fresh content for a while.

I mean most of the time it's all WIP or huge games... Personally I'm far more interested in the WIP ships than huge games.

I also wonder what this will mean for the big streamers as it'll mean they probs can't show this stuff on streams for as long/as early...

I actually think this is a massive screw you from WG to CCs...

[Ryuuoh_DeltaPlus]

I actually think this is a great idea. This is basically how the game was in 2015-2016. No initial Devblog stats (heck there was no devblog at all that time). 

[Max_Battle]

I think there is a lot in the game to enjoy now.

Focusing on what we have to play now is fine by me.

I understand many people enjoy discussing hypertheticals and possibilities - I often enjoy reading other people's speculations, especially when they relate to real ships that actually existed.

But there are so many ships in the game to play end enjoy already - and you can (enjoy I mean).

Also, I am still learning stuff after all my battles and years of playing.

I do sometimes wonder if being too future focused can reduce the current enjoyment of the game.

Just my opinion. Not telling anyone else what they should do or think.

[Paladinum]

As long as they do reveal new ships and ship lines, I'm pretty indifferent about the stats.

However, Dev Blog does give some semblance of transparency, even though WG wouldn't really listen to their own STs.

[Grygus_Triss]

Hmmm. I understand what they’re saying, and honestly, I’d be happier not looking too far in the future, focusing on current ships.

But the thing is, as soon as the ships are available, WG advertises them, this could lead to issues if players have not had adequate opportunity to read reviews prior to purchase. So WG might see some drop in initial sales. Of course, if you’re going to buy a ship without finding out if it’s any good, that’s your lookout.

Other thing is... community feedback. Yeah, it’s one thing to stop uniformed negative feedback, but, unless they listed to CCS etc... they won’t have any idea what the community thinks until they launch, which was sort of the problem with PR and GZ. Sort of, I mean, yes, CC’s released different information, but it was WG who didn’t give them the correct info in the first place.

This way, it means that WG will be doing releases blind, and we get to complain about unbalanced or bad ships reaching the live server.

[S4pp3R]

1 hour ago, Max_Battle said:

I think there is a lot in the game to enjoy now.

Focusing on what we have to play now is fine by me.

I understand many people enjoy discussing hypertheticals and possibilities - I often enjoy reading other people's speculations, especially when they relate to real ships that actually existed.

But there are so many ships in the game to play end enjoy already - and you can (enjoy I mean).

Also, I am still learning stuff after all my battles and years of playing.

I do sometimes wonder if being too future focused can reduce the current enjoyment of the game.

Just my opinion. Not telling anyone else what they should do or think.

Yeah part of their problem is that the grind in Warships is next to nothing, stack some signals and camos and play decently and you can go from T1-10 in a week of not even hardcore playing...

So then they need to release heaps more lines in a year, thus meaning that the future is always on everyone's mind.

But yeah, it probably hinders them polishing and finishing off other content (seriously, where are my prestige cosmetics in research bureau?)

I still enjoy the game too mate, they haven't crossed the line yet and some of the adjustments in ST are looking ok. My biggest concern is 60mm deck on SS and Krem, make it 57 and they'd have a deal...

[Reinhard_of_Avercland]

This means no more preemptive fear mongering within the playerbase, especially for those from the Anti CV Brigade.

However WG needs to take additional steps to ensure better testing quality to go along with this "No Sneak Peek" policy. I mean, remember the bullcrap nerf on Odin? And of course we have had a lot of messy stuffs that came from the testing department.

[Paladinum]

1 minute ago, Sir_Feather said:

However WG needs to take additional steps to ensure better testing quality to go along with this "No Sneak Peek" policy. I mean, remember the bullcrap nerf on Odin? And of course we have had a lot of messy stuffs that came from the testing department.

They need to stop worshipping their false god - the Spreadsheet, first 

[dejiko_nyo]

Honestly, I don't see why a CC shouldn't be treated like the rest of us. The job of balancing ships should be ST job. Content should not be released even if a CC ia and St and ST embargo should apply. 

I fail to see the need for a CC to preview a new ship, rather, they should be focusing on the current content and meta.

Wg themselves are a problem as well for making stupid decisions and changes. They are not focusing on improving the current gameplay and listening to the community. 

[S4pp3R]

31 minutes ago, dejiko_nyo said:

Honestly, I don't see why a CC shouldn't be treated like the rest of us. The job of balancing ships should be ST job. Content should not be released even if a CC ia and St and ST embargo should apply. 

I fail to see the need for a CC to preview a new ship, rather, they should be focusing on the current content and meta.

Wg themselves are a problem as well for making stupid decisions and changes. They are not focusing on improving the current gameplay and listening to the community. 

I think my biggest issue here is that while they don't listen to feedback, if the uproar is loud enough they had to (NTC).

Without that sort of feedback, there is going to be some completely horrible content implementation, I am almost sure of that.

It's a catch 22 really, with this they are telling the community 'stop overreacting this is a testing process' while releasing absurd content... If they keep the absurd content coming but without listening to CCs or the rest of us, we'll end up with 3km stealth radar windows, NTC and PR grinds...

I understand their points but fact is, they don't even start the testing process from a reasonable stand point and have frequently demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of how their game actually plays and works...

[Manacetamol]

finally they shall nerf CCs

[Rina_Pon]

9 hours ago, IJN_Katori said:

no more WIP Stats. 

Fair enough. CC content right now should be on IKEA botes, not the upcoming Roosky cruiser split.

otoh: WG would do well to remember that there is no such thing as "bad engagement". People getting hyped/upset over WiP ships is engagement, it's only natural for it to occupy a big part of the news cycle. Either way, no, the above policy changes aren't going to materially change things.

[Reinhard_of_Avercland]

41 minutes ago, dejiko_nyo said:

Honestly, I don't see why a CC shouldn't be treated like the rest of us. The job of balancing ships should be ST job. Content should not be released even if a CC ia and St and ST embargo should apply. 

I fail to see the need for a CC to preview a new ship, rather, they should be focusing on the current content and meta.

Wg themselves are a problem as well for making stupid decisions and changes. They are not focusing on improving the current gameplay and listening to the community. 

I think one of the main problem is the fact that any STs can literally be CCs.

I'm sure any STs had to sign the NDA back then because I happened to see STs that refused to comment about the ship they were testing when some players asked the details.

I think once I saw Ralph testing Astoria, and the peeps kept asking "what ship is that?" I don't remember if he replied any of them, but someone shouted that we should focus on the game. But no, Astoria was the placeholder name for the demoted New Orleans. Don't you dare to hope another premium bote, folks!

[dejiko_nyo]

1 hour ago, MatterCore said:

finally they shall nerf CCs

good.

[dejiko_nyo]

1 hour ago, Sir_Feather said:

I think one of the main problem is the fact that any STs can literally be CCs.

Therefore they should be subjected to the ST NDAs and not open their beaks.

You have to remember that suggestions that CCs make may not be in the best interest of the community and they have vested interest in their monetized channels.

[dejiko_nyo]

1 hour ago, S4pp3R said:

If they keep the absurd content coming but without listening to CCs or the rest of us, we'll end up with 3km stealth radar windows, NTC and PR grinds...

Then just abandon game. Right now, I feel I have abandoned the game mostly. 

I agree there that they are not listening to the sane portion of the community and mostly all these ridiculous ideas are a result of appeasing the noisy and clueless portion.

[Manacetamol]

5 hours ago, dejiko_nyo said:

good.

Year 5 . . .

has begun . . .

The WeeGee strike back

[Bex_o7]

11 hours ago, S4pp3R said:

WG have been so deaf to community feedback with all sorts of things and have made poor decision after poor decision which it definitely feels like can happen more if we aren't seeing this content until later in the timeline.

Not to be devil's advocate, but when should they listen to the community? There are more stupid opinions than educated ones.

[S4pp3R]

32 minutes ago, Bex_o7 said:

Not to be devil's advocate, but when should they listen to the community? There are more stupid opinions than educated ones.

Agreed but at least with completely bonkers stuff there might be enough uproar to can ideas early on, *cough* NTC.

I don't mind this change by WG but what I'm saying is there could be problems given their track history...

I'm not exactly one to jump on band wagons to hate on everything.

 

Ok, ok, I do like a good rant...

[S4pp3R]

2 hours ago, dejiko_nyo said:

Then just abandon game. Right now, I feel I have abandoned the game mostly. 

I agree there that they are not listening to the sane portion of the community and mostly all these ridiculous ideas are a result of appeasing the noisy and clueless portion.

No thanks, I still enjoy it.

I really do love World of Warships, I may not have said this enough but I have said it; They are really not that far off a really great game.

1. Flesh out Research Bureau with prestige cosmetics, cool perma camos, decals.

2. Settle on the HE spam, please no more Colbert/Smols.

3. Reduce absurd extremes a bit, ie 60mm deck armour to 57, or if SS and Krem need that, do something about turret rotation.

4. Stop this endless focus on T10 ranked, having T9 or 10 ranked every 2-3 seasons is good, but give it a break for a bit... sheesh.

5. More 'balanced' releases like RN CAs, when it's the norm, people get used to it and it's healthy, So far from what I've played of EU DDs they're in a good spot too.

6. Do something small, incrementally with CV spotting on DDs/flankers. I'm not sure what didn't work but honestly it's still a bit skewed towards CVs IMO.

7. Rework the XP system so it rewards team play and isn't so damage focused. Reward the type of play that's good for the game and community.

But yeah, last year was pretty average IMO but I reckon most of that was the big changes to a most hated class.