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Did you notice it ?

 

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Kongo-class Battleship have 21.2km range (with last FCS)


 

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Fuso-class Battleship have 21.8km range (with last FCS)


 

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Nagato-class Battleship have 20.5km range with only 1 FCS (slightly reduce than Fuso-class)


 

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But, Amagi-class Battleship have only 19.9km range with last FCS


 

So, if we compared them together

Kongo-class Battleship have 21.2km range

Fuso-class Battleship have 21.8km range

Nagato-class Battleship have 20.5km range

Amagi-class Battleship have 19.9km range

 

Very nice range at Amagi right? :popcorn:

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Amagi would be 21.7km with the fire control system upgrade

 

I don't think so... Because Amagi have only 2 FCS and the 1st FCS have only 18.1km range :popcorn:

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It is true 16" shells fly shorter than 14" one IRL?

 

I am no military expert but logic and law of physics tells me that a 16" shell which is presumably heavier should fly shorter than a 14".

 

Also I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, trolling or really asking @_@

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I am no military expert but logic and law of physics tells me that a 16" shell which is presumably heavier should fly shorter than a 14".

 

Also I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, trolling or really asking @_@

 

18" Yamato's High Explosive Armour Piercing Shells could reach 42 Km

 

16" Nagato range 32 Km and 37 km after upgrade

 

14" Ise range 25 km and 35 after Upgrade

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I am no military expert but logic and law of physics tells me that a 16" shell which is presumably heavier should fly shorter than a 14".

 

Also I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, trolling or really asking @_@

 

Have you ever wondered why Yamato's gun has the longest range despite being heavier than all other guns of smaller caliber?

How far a shot can travel depends on the firing arc of the gun (45 deg for max range), the amount of propellant charge, the weight and dimensions of the shell itself, and so on...

 

Though I still think it is weird to have higher tier guns have less range than lower tiers, I suggest nerfing Kongo's and Fusou's range (it also reduces BB camping) :popcorn:

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Depends on the gun I think. Looking at realistic data available Fuso could potentially fire out to betwween 28-32kms, Nagato out to 37kms. Yamato out to 42km range.

 

Might be a game balancing thing that WG haven't quite got right yet

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18" Yamato's High Explosive Armour Piercing Shells could reach 42 Km

 

16" Nagato range 32 Km and 37 km after upgrade

 

14" Ise range 25 km and 35 after Upgrade

 

I presume that the longer range is a result of improvements/modifications/technological advancement of the main batteries or other machinery. The law of physics still apply that provided everything else stays equal a heavier shell should travel less distance.

 

But you do have a point there.

 

 

How far a shot can travel depends on the firing arc of the gun (45 deg for max range), the amount of propellant charge, the weight and dimensions of the shell itself, and so on...

 

 

When you need an expert he immediately pops out of nowhere.

 

Now I come to think about it again can the additional quantity of propellant charge counteract or surpass the effect of the extra weight? I guess it's prolly a yes if you think of an ICBM as a huge ass bullet.

 

But then ICBM burns fuel I guess that's a different story

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I presume that the longer range is a result of improvements/modifications/technological advancement of the main batteries or other machinery. The law of physics still apply that provided everything else stays equal a heavier shell should travel less distance.

 

But you do have a point there.

 

It depends on

Gun arc (most noticeable)

Types or sizes or shape of the shells

The Caliber

and many other thing that i'm not able to tell

 

Edit: Physic telling me the heavier the thing the harder it stop even the gravity, for example you throw marble and a heavier solid stone at the same size and shape but different weight at the same speed and arc

The Stone will travel further than the marble because it's heavier

 

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Edit: Physic telling me the heavier the thing the harder it stop even the gravity, for example you throw marble and a heavier solid stone at the same size and shape but different weight at the same speed and arc

The Stone will travel further than the marble because it's heavier

 

 

Just for the sake of integrity when you apply the same amount of force to an object at the same angle the heavier object ALWAYS travel less distance HORIZONTALLY due to gravity.

 

Your example is not applying the same force to the object since Force = Mass x Acceleration.

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Just for the sake of integrity when you apply the same amount of force to an object at the same angle the heavier object ALWAYS travel less distance HORIZONTALLY due to gravity.

 

Your example is not applying the same force to the object since Force = Mass x Acceleration.

 

when I mention same Speed it means it require different amount of force (But I'm glad I can speak English in physics with you)

that's why 18" shot sounds harder than those 14"

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when I mention same Speed it means it require different amount of force (But I'm glad I can speak English in physics with you)

that's why 18" shot sounds harder than those 14"

 

It's cool it's just that you quoted "Physic telling me the heavier the thing the harder it stop even the gravity" that's related to momentum and you used that example to try to prove that a heavier object should travel longer distance which is simply wrong. By changing the force applied (or any other parameters such as gun arc etc) you are not making a legitimate comparison. It doesn't change the fact that a heavier object will travel less distance than a lighter object when everything else is equal.
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The amount of force used to launch/shot is different

 

As I said, as soon as you changed a parameter the comparison becomes invalid. It doesn't prove that a heavier object should travel longer distance.

 

You example is like saying:-

 

1. You kick a football with your foot

2. You throw a tennis ball with your hand

3. You make a conclusion that a football should travel further than a tennis ball since that's what you observe from your experiment.

 

See the problem there?

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Barrel type & length, rifling (if present), shell shape, propellent type, propellent amount, angle of firing all add up to increase/decrease the range.

 

edit - link to a simplified doco on balistics:
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/navy/docs/swos/gunno/INFO6.html

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As I said, as soon as you changed a parameter the comparison becomes invalid. It doesn't prove that a heavier object should travel longer distance.

 

You example is like saying:-

 

1. You kick a football with your foot

2. You throw a tennis ball with your hand

3. You make a conclusion that a football should travel further than a tennis ball since that's what you observe from your experiment.

 

See the problem there?

 

then tell me why Yamato could fire Further 

explain to me why lighter thing could move further

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Barrel type & length, rifling (if present), shell shape, propellent type, propellent amount, angle of firing all add up to increase/decrease the range.

 

edit - link to a simplified doco on balistics:

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/navy/docs/swos/gunno/INFO6.html

 

Holy molly is that some sort of lecture material from a military school I see the intro making references to gunnery officers O.O

 

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 Heavier than standard projectiles will develop more momentum and will travel farther at longer ranges.

 

I WIN:coin::medal:

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then tell me why Yamato could fire Further 

explain to me why lighter thing could move further

 

Force = Mass x Acceleration

 

Gravity is constant. So the heavier mass has a larger force applied to it downwards when it is travelling through the air. So it will hit the ground faster than a lighter object thus travels less distance.

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Force = Mass x Acceleration

 

Gravity is constant. So the heavier mass has a larger force applied to it downwards when it is travelling through the air. So it will hit the ground faster than a lighter object thus travels less distance.

 

That's a very standard thing in physics

it doesn't count momentum, air velocity, turbulance, Spinning shells

and it will only used when it's not move horizontally

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I WIN:coin::medal:

 

I love how you left out lighter than standard projectiles will travel further at shorter ranges.

 

The statement below that just proved my point - "A higher initial velocity projectile will have to be heavier than a low initial velocity projectile to achieve the same range". Which means that a heavier projectile cannot outrange a lighter projectile unless it has a larger initial velocity. Which means IT IS APPLYING A LARGER FORCE TO THE PROJECTILE.

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