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Because I've had enough pasta already. Here are some of my suggestions I'm going to leave the detailed stats blank for now):

T3 - Dante Alighieri

Single ship of her class & first dreadnought battleship built by the Regia Marina.

T4 - Conte di Cavour

Basically Giulio Cesare with weaker stats to fit at T4. Possible alternative name would be Leonardo da Vinci.

T5 - Andrea Doria

Only in older configuration.

T6 - Caio Duilio

Both Andrea Doria-class battleships were refitted with 320mm guns in 1930.

T7 - Francesco Caracciolo

Basically Pizza version of QE/Warspite. She was launched, but ended up being sold and scrapped without being put into service. She might need her "historical" top speed (32 knots) to catch up with her T7 counterparts.

T8 - Littorio/Italia

Literally poor bloke's Roma with few differences.

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T9 - Vittorio Veneto

The name would make her a bit unrealistic, but this ship would be based on UP-41 design which was basically a slightly up-scaled Littorio class battleship. The main differences would be the 406mm guns. Or just name it Umberto Pugliesse and save Vittorio Veneto for a T9 counterpart of Jean Bart.

T10 - Impero

No idea how to pull this off but maybe make it the 4 turrets version of the UP-41 design? Or take back the 457mm guns from Kremlin.

 

Someone might have made similar thread. But I'm not going to necro the older thread.

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First of all, 'great minds think alike' about the name of the T10 :cap_like: However, many people would prefer to put that name on a CV of all things :Smile-angry:

 

32 minutes ago, Sir_Feather said:

T3 - Dante Alighieri

This ship is very similar to Viribus Unitis and Nikolai I and you put her at T3? Wut?

 

32 minutes ago, Sir_Feather said:

T7 - Francesco Caracciolo

Basically Pizza version of QE/Warspite. She was launched, but ended up being sold and scrapped without being put into service. She might need her "historical" top speed (32 knots) to catch up with her T7 counterparts.

By "her T7 counterparts" I assume you don't include Colorado.

 

32 minutes ago, Sir_Feather said:

Or take back the 457mm guns from Kremlin.

Russia hired Italy to design many, many of their ships. They have the right to take it back.

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We can use Vittorio Cuniberti's 22000-tonne all-big-gun battleship concept of 1903 at T3. "The First Dreadnought proposal", with an ordinary 8-gun broadside.

I suggest we should find some other names for higher-tier Italian BBs as there are recent studies that claim Italians studied the possiblities of converting the unfinished Impero into an aircraft carrier. Someone from the European community has suggested choices like Marco Aurelio (Marcus Aurelius, Roman emperor and philosopher).

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2 minutes ago, Project45_Opytny said:

I suggest we should find some other names for higher-tier Italian BBs

No :cap_like:

If I have to I'd pick "Re d'Italia" ("King of Italy") and name of an ironclad. It does have a nice ring to it.

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15 minutes ago, Project45_Opytny said:

I suggest we should find some other names for higher-tier Italian BBs

Thanks to pala, I noticed that. I suggest T10 be named the Machievelli.

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Kind of outdated post. Only T3 and T10 is blank.

 

Battleship
T3 ????

Armament:
    ?? x 305 mm (12 in) guns
    ?? x 120 mm (4.7 in) guns

Note: I do not have any idea on this and there are no preliminary designs I can find.
Personal Opinion: I can only think of 3 designs for this tier (they are not historical and it is only my personal idea or opinion):
    Design 1: 12 x 305 mm (12 in) guns (6 x 2) - Regina Elena class design. Main armament and secondary armament is armed with dual 305 mm guns (1 Bow, 1 Aft, 2 Port, 2 Starbord). She can fire only 4 turrets per broadside. She will feel like Turenne (French T3 BB)
    Design 2: 8 x 305 mm (12 in) guns (4 x 2) - Dante Alighieri design but guns are in dual mount in four turrets instead of triple mount. This will make Dante Alighieri feel skinnier due to less number of guns, but give you an idea how Dante Alighieri should be played.
    Design 3: 9 x 305 mm (12 in) guns (3 x 3) - Dante Alighieri design but guns are in triple mount but in three turrets instead of four. This will make Dante Alighieri feel short and plays like Normandie (French T6 BB).


T4 Dante Alighieri

Armament:
    12 x 305 mm (12 in) guns (4 x 3)
    20 x 120 mm (4.7 in) guns (12 x 1 and 4 x 2)
    14 × 76.2 mm (3 in) guns (14 x 1)

Note: If you are familiar with Soviet BB Gangut or Okt. Revolutsiya, she will play the same as those Soviet BB.


T5 Leonardo da Vinci

Armament (As built):
    13 x 305 mm (12 in) guns (3 x 3 and 2 x 2)
    18 × 120 mm (4.7 in) guns (18 x 1)
    14 × 76.2 mm (3 in) guns (14 x 1)

Armament (Modernized) (Optional) (Hull C):
    10 x 320 mm (12.6 in) guns (3 x 2 and 2 x 2)
    12 × 120 mm (4.7 in) (6 x 2)
    8 × 100 mm (3.9 in)/47 AA guns (4 x 2)

Note: She is the 3rd sister of Conte di Cavour and Giulio Cesare.
Note: Leonardo da Vinci was sunk while her 2 other sister survived WW1 and got modenized.
Option: Hull C, should Leonardo da Vinci survived WW1, she whould get the same upgrade as Conte di Cavour and Giulio Cesare or better.


T6 Francesco Caracciolo

Armament:
    8 × 381 mm (15 in)/ 40 guns (4 x 2)
    12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (12 x 1)
    12 × 102 mm (4 in) guns (6 x 2)

Note: She is direct counter to QE2 and Bayern


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T7 Michaelangelo or Raffaello

Armament:
    8 × 381 mm (15 in) /40 or 50 guns (4 x 2)
    12 × 152 mm (6 in) /55 guns (4 x 3)
    12 × 90 mm (3.5 in) /50 AA guns (12 x 1)
    20 × 37 mm (1.5 in) /54 AA guns (10 x 2)
    32 × 20 mm (0.79) Breda MG (16 x 2)

Note: Preliminary design for Vittorio Veneto class. 8 guns in 4 turrets


T8 Vittorio Veneto or Littorio

Armament:
    9 × 381 mm (15 in) /50 guns (3 x 3)
    12 × 152 mm (6 in) /55 guns (4 x 3)
    12 × 90 mm (3.5 in) /50 AA guns (12 x 1)
    20 × 37 mm (1.5 in) /54 AA guns (10 x 2)
    32 × 20 mm (0.79) Breda MG (16 x 2)

Note: Italy's answer to Richelieu Class. Plays like N. Carolina and Monarch.
Note: Battle of Vittorio Veneto (WW1)


T9 Caporetto (UP.41)

Armament:
    9 × 406 mm (16 in) guns (3 x 3)
    12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (4 x 3 or 6 x 2)
    12 × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns (6 x 2)
    20 × 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns (10 x 2)

Note: UP.41 design. Looks, fells, and smells almost like Sovetsky Soyuz class (Russian T9 BB)
Note: Battle of Caporetto (WW1)


T10 Repubblica

Armament (Design 1 - 4 Turret):
    12 × 406 mm (16 in) guns (4 x 3) or 8 x ???mm guns (4 x 2)
    12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (4 x 3 or 6 x 2)
    ?? × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns
    ?? × 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns

Armament (Design 2 - 4 Turret) Andrea Doria type:
    10 × 406 mm (16 in) guns (2 x 3 and 2 x 2) or 8 x ???mm guns (4 x 2)
    12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (4 x 3 or 6 x 2)
    ?? × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns
    ?? × 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns

Armament (Design 3 - 3 Turret):
    9 x ???mm guns (3 x 3)
    12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (4 x 3 or 6 x 2)
    ?? × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns
    ?? × 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns

Note: Direct counter to French T10 Republique / Libertie
Note: It is unknown if Italy has made plans for a larger calibre/caliber guns no larger than 457 mm (18 in) in this . The largest guns goes to Japan's monstrosity Yamato
Note: Since there is no concrete design after and beyond UP.41, I just speculate that Italy may have thought of a design beyond UP.41 but did not came to light as they fell first after WW2 and faced financial hardship.
Personal Opinion: I can only think of 3 designs for this tier (they are not historical and it is only my personal idea or opinion):
    Design 1: She could have 4 turret slots, but armed with 406 mm in 4 triple mount or ???mm in 4 double mount
    Design 2: She could have 4 turret slots, but armed with 406 mm in 2 triple mount and in 2 double or ???mm in 4 double mount
    Design 3: She could have 3 turret slots, but armed with ??? mm in 3 triple mount

 


Side SAP Branch (Update: Possible SAP line. Dangerous to CL and CA.)
T6 Conte Di Cavour

Armament (As built):
    13 x 305 mm (12 in) guns (3 x 3 and 2 x 2)
    18 × 120 mm (4.7 in) guns (18 x 1)
    14 × 76.2 mm (3 in) guns (14 x 1)

Armament (Modernized) (Optional) (Hull C):
    10 x 320 mm (12.6 in) guns (3 x 2 and 2 x 2)
    12 × 120 mm (4.7 in) (6 x 2)
    8 × 100 mm (3.9 in)/47 AA guns (4 x 2)

Note: Leonardo Da Vinci in SAP mode.


T7 Andrea Doria or Caio Duilio

Armament (Modernized 1937)
    10 x 320 mm (12.6 in) guns (3 x 2 and 2 x 2)
    12 × 135 mm (5.3 in) guns (4 x 3)
    10 × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns (10 x 1)
    16 x 37 mm (1.5 in) Breda AA guns (8 x 2)
    16 x 20 mm (0.79 in) Breda AA guns (8 x 2)

Note: I am very sure one of them will be a premium like Dunkerque and Strasbourg or Scharnhorst and Gneisenau.
Note: She will be familiar as plays like Lyon and KGV. Small calibre/caliber for her tier but has many guns.


T8 Filippo Lippi

Armament:
    6 × 381 mm (15 in) /40 or 50 guns (3 x 2) or 9 x 343 mm (13.5 in)/ 50 guns (3 x 3)
    12 × 152 mm (6 in) /55 guns (4 x 3)
    10 × 90 mm (3.5 in) /50 AA guns (10 x 1)
    20 × 37 mm (1.5 in) /54 AA guns (10 x 2)
    32 × 20 mm (0.79) Breda MG (16 x 2)

Note: Another preliminary design for Vittorio Veneto.
Note: She will be familiar as plays like Gneisenau. (Which will be moved to T8 because of the battle cruiser suggestion I will make in the future)
Side Note: Yes, there is really an Italian painter called Filippo LippiIts and not to be confused with the band "Fra Lippo Lippi" which is Norwegian. Stitches and Burns. 


T9 Isonzo (UP.41)

Armament:
    9 × 381 mm (15 in) guns (3 x 3)
    12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (4 x 3 or 6 x 2)
    12 × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns (6 x 2)
    20 × 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns (10 x 2)

Note: UP.41 design. Looks, fells, and smells almost like Sovetsky Soyuz class (Russian T9 BB) but armed with 381 mm
Note: Battle of Isonzo (WW1)
Note: She will be familiar as plays like Iowa or Sovetsky Soyuz with a twist.


T10 Impero

Armament (Design 1 - 4 Turret):
    12 × 381 mm (15 in) guns (4 x 3) or 8 x ???mm guns (4 x 2)
    12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (4 x 3 or 6 x 2)
    ?? × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns
    ?? × 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns

Armament (Design 2 - 4 Turret) Andrea Doria type:
    10 × 381 mm (15 in) guns (2 x 3 and 2 x 2) or 8 x 406 mm guns (4 x 2)
    12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (4 x 3 or 6 x 2)
    ?? × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns
    ?? × 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns

Armament (Design 3 - 3 Turret):
    9 x 406 mm guns (3 x 3)
    12 × 152 mm (6 in) guns (4 x 3 or 6 x 2)
    ?? × 90 mm (3.5 in) AA guns
    ?? × 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns

Note: She will be familiar as plays like Montana, Conqueror or Iowa , Lion with a twist.
Note: It is unknown if Italy has made plans for a larger calibre/caliber guns no larger than 431 mm (17 in) in this branch. The largest guns goes to Japan's monstrosity Yamato
Note: Since there is no concrete design after and beyond UP.41, I just speculate that Italy may have thought of a design beyond UP.41 but did not came to light as they fell first after WW2 and faced financial hardship.
Personal Opinion: I can only think of 3 designs for this tier (they are not historical and it is only my personal idea or opinion):
    Design 1: She could have 4 turret slots, but armed with 381 mm in 4 triple mount or ???mm in 4 double mount
    Design 2: She could have 4 turret slots, but armed with 381 mm in 2 triple mount and in 2 double or ???mm in 4 double mount
    Design 3: She could have 3 turret slots, but armed with ??? mm in 3 triple mount

 

At the same time, I also made a French branch BB. Have a look.

 

Edited by S0und_Theif

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1 hour ago, dejiko_nyo said:

I suggest T10 be named the Machievelli.

and give it 20km torps so it can easily stab its teammates in the back :Smile_teethhappy:

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Nice read folks!!!! Gives me much hopes...

Here's for hoping not very Roma-esque and more Cesare-esque 😉

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2 hours ago, Paladinum said:

This ship is very similar to Viribus Unitis and Nikolai I and you put her at T3? Wut?

Well neither of those ships are much better from a certain point of view. *cough* CV food

 

2 hours ago, Paladinum said:

By "her T7 counterparts" I assume you don't include Colorado.

Colorado is like that one type of lousy kid in the group, can be ignored safely.

 

2 hours ago, Paladinum said:

Russia hired Italy to design many, many of their ships. They have the right to take it back.

Yup exactly what I meant.

 

2 hours ago, dejiko_nyo said:

They will all have SAP + AP shell combos.

That could actually work better than for the cruisers. HE-spamming BBs are overrated anyways.

2 hours ago, Project45_Opytny said:

I suggest we should find some other names for higher-tier Italian BBs as there are recent studies that claim Italians studied the possiblities of converting the unfinished Impero into an aircraft carrier.

I'd disagree to use the name Impero for CV. The only Italian CVs built at that period were named after birds; Eagle & Sparrowhawk (in Italian). For the high tier BBs, I have several of them like:

Sardegna

Napoli

Vittorio Emanuele (first king of Italy after Italy's unification)

Edited by Sir_Feather

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29 minutes ago, Sir_Feather said:

I'd disagree to use the name Impero for CV. The only Italian CVs built at that period were named after birds; Eagle & Sparrowhawk (in Italian). For the high tier BBs, I have several of them like:

Sardegna

Napoli

Vittorio Emanuele (first king of Italy after Italy's unification)

However I consider it is unclear as both Aquila and Sparviero were converted from ocean liners. On the other hand the French, the Japanese and the Americans all retained the respective original names of the capital ships which are converted into CVs (Bearn, Akagi, Kaga, Lexington and Saratoga).

These names are decent.

Edited by Project45_Opytny

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Littorio commander when? xD

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Why you guys didnt mention me this?

I have lots of experience with Production/In Service type of Regia Marina BBs.

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Also i think this ref can help you based on my old favourite game in Navyfield 2005

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