766 [SMOKE] Mechfori Member 2,222 posts 17,136 battles Report post #1 Posted October 18, 2019 OK its one patch or is it 2 already and I am on the grind , and I had to say French DD at low and mid tier made no sense towards training a player or a captain for the high tier French DD ... WG say they want it to be speed demon and gun slinging charging Dracoon ; well T8 and beyond it might be ( even that is questionable ) but seriously anything T7 and below, the speed is not there, the guns ballistic is awful, reload is mediocre and concealment is lousy, but worst .. maneuverability is just not there , these boats lost speed so fast, so quick on any turn any speed it might had simply vanishes and speaking of speed until T8 the speed is simply not there too, so how can WG expect players ( especially new players ) to get to learn the way to play this speed demon charging Dracoon if you do not give them the speed , and coupled that with the inferior concealment and no smoke its consistently out spotted by fellow DD of same tier and had no way to charge in and expose the enemy either since its actually no better at the speed department and any maneuvering and the speed drop to CA posture , enemy can keep kiting away ; and let's not tell of the lousy sluggish rudder either ... that range on the gun is not useful either when the sell speed is stupidly slow. I really like to play DD, but I think WG just did it all wrong on this branch .. well at least on T2 to T7 .. they just do not work out as a viable alternative DD play style at those tiers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
32 [STEIN] Brunswickz Member 128 posts 10,699 battles Report post #2 Posted October 19, 2019 T4 and 5 also getting nerfed as well. From 6s to 6.6s. T4 Bourrasque also only has 33 knot. 40 only when using speed boost. Also one more thing, the gun angle absolutely awful. It almost a complete broadside to fire all the guns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
766 [SMOKE] Mechfori Member 2,222 posts 17,136 battles Report post #3 Posted October 19, 2019 Much indeed even the T5 freemium Sciroco got only 33 knots ; 33 knots on a T5 that is a really bad joke … even if they are to be used as mid range brawler the ships still need someone to spot. As a DD they just fail on almost all DD duties. The team can really suffer when a flank got only 1 DD and it happen to be French. And they cannot actually brawl up close when turret transverse that slow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,423 [FORCE] Reinhard_of_Avercland Modder 2,680 posts 12,931 battles Report post #4 Posted October 20, 2019 WG has been following the same pattern since the French BB line. The low & mid tiers seem underpowered/bland while the high tiers are full of gimmicks. But the French DDs at low & mid tiers are indeed more demanding. 10 point captain is quite mandatory because AFT is almost a must before you can play them at comfortable range. Premium speed boost & SI are mandatory to keep their top speed high which makes them more expensive to play at lower tiers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
766 [SMOKE] Mechfori Member 2,222 posts 17,136 battles Report post #5 Posted October 20, 2019 Agee the problem of course is that BB and Cruisers allow margin of error and forgive minor mistakes ; that is not the case with DD . One either play it right or expect a quick trip back to port Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
574 Bex_o7 Member 745 posts 19,634 battles Report post #6 Posted October 20, 2019 The Tier V Jaguar is an absolute animal. I'd argue it's the strongest DD at its tier. It has torps that do more damage, go farther and just as fast as a Kamikaze's plus it's a very capable gun boat with a high chance of setting fires and an absurd amount of HP. About double that of many of its comtemporaries. I'll grant you the T6 is average by comparison but that Jaguar is just a monster. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
712 [BLESS] Rina_Pon Member 1,309 posts 11,715 battles Report post #7 Posted October 20, 2019 Guepard may not turn fast but she stops and starts on a dime, and has guns that can shred broadside cruisers in seconds. There's also the saturation gimmick. The line is strong, it's just they aren't really DDs in the traditional sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,855 [151ST] S4pp3R Member 3,007 posts 11,081 battles Report post #8 Posted October 20, 2019 16 hours ago, Sir_Feather said: WG has been following the same pattern since the French BB line. The low & mid tiers seem underpowered/bland while the high tiers are full of gimmicks. But the French DDs at low & mid tiers are indeed more demanding. 10 point captain is quite mandatory because AFT is almost a must before you can play them at comfortable range. Premium speed boost & SI are mandatory to keep their top speed high which makes them more expensive to play at lower tiers. SN BBs would like to have a word... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,423 [FORCE] Reinhard_of_Avercland Modder 2,680 posts 12,931 battles Report post #9 Posted October 21, 2019 7 hours ago, S4pp3R said: SN BBs would like to have a word... You're half right. I mean SN BBs are too "balans" to follow the same pattern. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
32 [STEIN] Brunswickz Member 128 posts 10,699 battles Report post #10 Posted October 21, 2019 Idk, used Jaguar a few times, team ranked 1 and 2 many times. But only 20-30K damage. Spoiler Theres my battle record this day Best damage so far? Spoiler Gun damage wise, id prefer Nico or Podvoisky. Those can shred many many cruisers broadside or not. The old Gnevny can citadel Fuso even... Torp, i'd prefer Kamikaze, or Mutsuki at lesser extent, you people forgot the reload time. If you just looking to the stats, sure, Jaguar has a lot of HP, DPM looks fantastic on paper. But realistically, Podvoisky is better. Scenario 1 : Jaguar using 3 of her rear guns, aka not greedy mode. Her opponents can wiggle with 4 guns, thanks to the better gun arc or superior rudder shift... Scenario 2 : Jaguar using all of her guns, she surely out DPM any tier 5 DDs. Are you sure noone can't hit you even if you juke or using engine boost ? As far i've tried, enemies still able to deal respectable damage to my ship. Since the speed boost max speed, isn't great either. Plus, dropped speed too much when trying to use all guns. Why use the speed boost to gun at open water when Podvoisky has 42 knot without it? Also she still has the smoke. Also, i could beat full HP Gremy with Kamikaze, with zero torp hit and 100% HE damage. I used torps but to limit her movement. It is a mistake to think Kamikaze is all about torp DD. After maneouvering, dropping torps to limit movement, using smoke and engine boost, Kamikaze can outperform Gremy in a dirty gunfight. What French DD has to play dirty ? None. Until the reload booster consummable. Which is borderline OP combined with 139mm guns. Jaguar is a paper tiger, just like the Burrasque. With the advent of 2-3 CVs at lower tier, they just don't fit regardless what i'm trying to say above. You don't say i didn't try to juke those rocket planes because i did, with engine boost also. My team still won because 2 CVs worked together to bring down my ship, i made that as difficult as possible for them. In meanwhile my team can focus on other things. The essential smoke isn't there for survival. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
766 [SMOKE] Mechfori Member 2,222 posts 17,136 battles Report post #11 Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) Strong or not depend on play and play style but my point here us that there is a clear disconnection regarding these and their T8 or higher peers ; if one want to train for the said style of high tier French DD play it might even be better to play the Soviet mid tier and just remember not to use the smoke . Edited October 21, 2019 by Mechfori 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,424 [LBAS] Manacetamol Modder, Member 6,721 posts 42,650 battles Report post #12 Posted October 21, 2019 French DDs, they got improvement from tier to tier, at least 1 aspect per tier, mainly fire power Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
783 [LBAS] THAI_THIEF Member 5,102 posts 11,363 battles Report post #13 Posted October 21, 2019 even Aigle have smoke can't bear it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
32 [STEIN] Brunswickz Member 128 posts 10,699 battles Report post #14 Posted October 22, 2019 Just got my Cheetah (T6 Guepard). Wow, DPM wise, it is now acceptable. Speed is still lacking with 36 knot. AA is still frustrating. I almost nom an Aigle alive with the A hull. Did a duel with Asashio too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
