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I must have seen Asashio in 10 sprints today. Twice, each team had an Asashio to even out the handicap. Why bring that ship into ranked?

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good concealment, actually quite OK guns, long range torp , and most of all not really that many DD to warrant a dueling DD

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Asashio is a superb ship, it has really effective guns, best in class concealment, good maneuverability and air detection, and of course the torps are situationally excellent, especially in a meta where most people lack confidence and take their BB's out.  It's one of the best DD's at tier 8 for ranked.

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7 hours ago, Moggytwo said:

Asashio is a superb ship, it has really effective guns, best in class concealment, good maneuverability and air detection, and of course the torps are situationally excellent, especially in a meta where most people lack confidence and take their BB's out.  It's one of the best DD's at tier 8 for ranked.

and then you get facerekt by any competent DD player on the enemy team

you have no health for DD engagements, you cant flush a DD out of a cap so literally free points for them, and in order to get to their BBs you need to go on a flank and abandon spotting

yes, it's a great ship

 

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15 minutes ago, drakon233 said:

and then you get facerekt by any competent DD player on the enemy team

you have no health for DD engagements, you cant flush a DD out of a cap so literally free points for them, and in order to get to their BBs you need to go on a flank and abandon spotting

Well, if you play badly this will happen.  IJN DD's in general are fairly high skill ships, but if you're already a successful IJN DD player you will feel very comfortable cap contesting in Asashio.

You outspot the enemy DD, and keep them lit for your friends.  You engage with guns when you are at a distinct advantage, and then you always do it with a retreating aspect.  You don't go BB hunting on the flank, your job is to contest caps and spot for your team, while you are doing that you torp BB's from the position you're in.  Plenty of good torp opportunities will arise, and even sub-optimal torp salvos will make the BB's very reluctant to push.  On that note, an Asashio on the enemy team has a distinct mental effect on most BB players, which in itself gives your team a positioning advantage.

Asashio is an exceptional cap contester, it's a primary strength.  That becomes even stronger in ranked where team work will on average be much better than randoms.

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Just now, Moggytwo said:

Well, if you play badly this will happen.  IJN DD's in general are fairly high skill ships, but if you're already a successful IJN DD player you will feel very comfortable cap contesting in Asashio.

You outspot the enemy DD, and keep them lit for your friends.  You engage with guns when you are at a distinct advantage, and then you always do it with a retreating aspect.  You don't go BB hunting on the flank, your job is to contest caps and spot for your team, while you are doing that you torp BB's from the position you're in.  Plenty of good torp opportunities will arise, and even sub-optimal torp salvos will make the BB's very reluctant to push.  On that note, an Asashio on the enemy team has a distinct mental effect on most BB players, which in itself gives your team a positioning advantage.

Asashio is an exceptional cap contester, it's a primary strength.  That becomes even stronger in ranked where team work will on average be much better than randoms.

this has to be sarcasm right, please tell me this is sarcasm

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If it is a BB heavy meta, then Asashio will be fine.

Otherwise Kagerou, Yukikaze and Harekaze are better than her, since they have the same concealment but still have the ability to torp non-BBs.

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5 minutes ago, drakon233 said:

this has to be sarcasm right, please tell me this is sarcasm

No drakon. This is a nightmare.

I would like to add to drakon's points in that this ship cannot effectively combat 75% of the other team if it lucks out. At least a standard DD can hope torps hit a cruiser or a dd. If I see asashios in my cruiser or dd, I am not afraid of it.

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2 hours ago, drakon233 said:

this has to be sarcasm right, please tell me this is sarcasm

If you're not confident with concealment play, or you lack the awareness and positioning knowledge required to play ships like this to their potential, then you'll struggle.  A well played Asashio is incredibly potent in ranked - you need to not focus on the torps so much, they are an important tool, but only a single aspect of the whole.

 

2 hours ago, dejiko_nyo said:

I would like to add to drakon's points in that this ship cannot effectively combat 75% of the other team if it lucks out. At least a standard DD can hope torps hit a cruiser or a dd. If I see asashios in my cruiser or dd, I am not afraid of it.

The number of BB's isn't overly relevant, although if there are no BB's then Asashio obviously is at a disadvantage, because it can't use it's torps to discourage good BB positioning.  If there's a BB or two on the other team you're fine though.  Since BB's are incredibly common most matches have plenty of them however, so it's simply never an issue.

Once again though, Asashio is not there to combat the enemy BB's.  It pushes the enemy BB's back through both it's torps and sheer presence on the team, and then it outspots enemy DD's and cruisers to enable it's support ships (who are more likely to be in better position due to the Asashio relocating the enemy BB's) to have far higher quality shots than the enemy has.  It uses these advantages to win the cap contest, it wins the damage battle by out-spotting the enemy, and all of this wins the battle for its team.  It also holds its own well in a retreating gun fight with enemy DD's, plus it has the advantage of always being able to pick an advantageous fight.

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2 hours ago, Moggytwo said:

Asashio is an exceptional cap contester, it's a primary strength.  That becomes even stronger in ranked where team work will on average be much better than randoms.

Kidd,Akzk,Kagero,Benson,Cossack,Z-23,Lightning,and Loyang Twice Stronger than asashio in term team work man.... :Smile_teethhappy:

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1 hour ago, Moggytwo said:

If there's a BB or two on the other team

Dude have you even played ranked this season? Its ALL BB's! Barely 1/3rd of my games had a DD in them thanks to CV's and maybe 2-3 battles over all had more than 1 DD per side.

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1 hour ago, Moggytwo said:

It pushes the enemy BB's back through both it's torps and sheer presence on the team, and then it outspots enemy DD's and cruisers to enable it's support ships (who are more likely to be in better position due to the Asashio relocating the enemy BB's) to have far higher quality shots than the enemy has.  It uses these advantages to win the cap contest, it wins the damage battle by out-spotting the enemy, and all of this wins the battle for its team.  It also holds its own well in a retreating gun fight with enemy DD's, plus it has the advantage of always being able to pick an advantageous fight.

Then it gets spotted by the CV as its not hard to guess where a DD is going to be and it gets roflstomped back to port.

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56 minutes ago, Gesterbein said:

Kidd,Akzk,Kagero,Benson,Cossack,Z-23,Lightning,and Loyang Twice Stronger than asashio in term team work man.... :Smile_teethhappy:

wow. So many other ships that do exactly asashio is 'supposed to be doing' and can do other tricks as well if needed.

A good BB player does not fear any dd and that takes away another weapon in its arsenal. It is only good if the bbs on the other side are chickens and the rest of the team doesn't know how to easily counter an asashio. Despite drakon not owning one, as an owner, I can support his comments. And the comments of you and @Thyaliad In random it is fine because you can be a specialist, but in ranked you need to have a backup plan. I rather take Benson/Kidd/Loyang as they can switch roles easily. Kagero if I feel particularly machochistic. Asashio only in divs where I know my div can hunt my spotting.

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2 hours ago, Moggytwo said:

If you're not confident with concealment play, or you lack the awareness and positioning knowledge required to play ships like this to their potential, then you'll struggle.  A well played Asashio is incredibly potent in ranked - you need to not focus on the torps so much, they are an important tool, but only a single aspect of the whole..

i played the sole cossack against whole packs of kievs in hurricane CW, while shotcalling. i know damn well how to play concealment DDs for PTFO AND for ambush gunboteing.

 

assassshitto sucks for rank because of the whole package sucks, the torps are just a facet of the issue, like i said with my first post, you have low HP, torps that do jack shite, concealment barely better than some gunbots, a complete lack of ability to cap contest against any DD with half a brain. you are literally handicapping your team by either going off and not doing your role as a DD or taking a ship horrifically badly suited for the situation and trying to make it work. 

 

cossack has 0.1 worse concealment and CL levels of firepower combined with RN smokes and hydro

Loyang has USN smoke, 5.5km hydro and waterrockets that can actually cover the whole cap

Kidd has enough firepower to eat 2 whole asashinos and heal back easily, not to mention the AA

lighting is basically a cossack with slightly worse firepower but better torps 

akizuki does akizuki things

le'fan and le'ter has the speed and burst ability to do some pretty impressive things like isolating and murdering a DD or even bursting down a CL

hell, even benson, z23 and kagero have better packages than asashio as a whole when you consider how rounded they are

 

asashio is a good ship for randoms, not rank, if you want to not screw over your teammates than you should know better than to use it

 

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I did most of ranked sprint in Loyang and Z-23, which where both strong ; especially Loyang playing the troll 6.5km torps 🙂

I did 2 matches in Asashio because I saw quite a few and wondered why.

1 match was meh.

The other I gutted their Tirpiz at 17km which collapsed the flank, and gunned down an Akizuki that was harassing our CV. 100k damage. Top of the team
but in general....no. I want to take Caps, and force the reds to push into us with points pressure.

 

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Seriously there is no bad choice at Tier 8 as far as DD goes .. they all had their characters so to speak its more about play and play style one exhibit on the said ship. 

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