Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
You need to play a total of 10 battles to post in this section.
Max_Battle

USS California

24 comments in this topic

Recommended Posts

2,707
[CLAY]
Beta Tester
4,278 posts
18,770 battles

I have caught a few glimpses of California on test streams. (MrMacavity is live in one now as I post).

I'm kinda excited for her.

Should I be?

Edit: He reckons too slow, bad armour and bad AA but good main guns.

Edited by Max_Battle

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
655
[LBAS]
Member
2,965 posts
14,188 battles
1 hour ago, Max_Battle said:

I have caught a few glimpses of California on test streams. (MrMacavity is live in one now as I post).

I'm kinda excited for her.

Should I be?

Edit: He reckons too slow, bad armour and bad AA but good main guns.

California is rumored to be FXP as says, She'll also be getting a Califonia AL commander very soon

she had 12.7cm Secondary Cannons with Massacheese accuracy, she has low speed but powerful artillery

 

California is a Tennessee-battleship, i can smell a split soon.

 

Edited by BIGCOREMKP0I
  • Cool 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1,140
[FORCE]
Member
2,218 posts
11,769 battles
23 minutes ago, BIGCOREMKP0I said:

She'll also be getting a Califonia AL commander very soon

Any source for that?

California is one of "3rd-class" BBs in AL that often gets sent to the scrapyard for medals, especially during events. She's not useless, but is just mediocre for high-end battles.

Even in the recent in-game popularity poll, she gets lower place than the Bulins (sacrifice material)

Edited by Sir_Feather

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
655
[LBAS]
Member
2,965 posts
14,188 battles
3 minutes ago, Sir_Feather said:

Any source for that?

California is one of "3rd-class" BBs in AL that often gets sent to the scrapyard for medals, especially during events. She's not useless, but is just mediocre for high-end battles.

Even in the recent in-game popularity poll, she gets lower place than the Bulins (sacrifice material)

California hasn't been added with a Kai (her 1945 version) yet, so it might take a while

 

AL and WoWs Collab once again during TGS 2019, they have to keep it low for now (Means more Commanders), EP1 of AL has been release too.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10
[PEEDZ]
Member
54 posts
7,671 battles

the Tennessee's are as sexy as AF. I'm going to be hard pressed to resist.

  • Cool 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Alpha Tester
1,317 posts
4,949 battles

watch one of the CC reviews, was either lord mountbatten, notser or zoup.

the george, california, and one of the tier 8s, there's a tier 10 the resources reward ship i think (I'm not into USN BBs) were all from the same line, so we will have tiers 7-10 of a new USN BB tree, but they decided to make them all premium ships.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1,011
[-CAT-]
Member
2,116 posts
10,885 battles
20 minutes ago, Dread_Pirate_BlackHeart said:

watch one of the CC reviews, was either lord mountbatten, notser or zoup.

the george, california, and one of the tier 8s, there's a tier 10 the resources reward ship i think (I'm not into USN BBs) were all from the same line, so we will have tiers 7-10 of a new USN BB tree, but they decided to make them all premium ships.

 

This is an old suggestion. (When Cleaveland was still T6 and CV's were still mainstream) I tried to squeezed almost all the US BB in this suggestion.

Only 2 Dreadnaught class was not able to make on the list. Delaware class and Pennsylvania class.

 

Updated post is in Feb. 27, Post # 14

 

T3 USS S. Carolina (BB26)

Armament:    
8 - 12 in (305 mm)/45 guns (4 x 2)
22 - 3 in (76 mm)/50 guns (22 x 1)
4 - 3 in (76.2 mm)/50 AA guns

Note: Same gameplay. No change needed.
 

T4 USS Florida (BB30)

Armament:    
10 - 12 in (305 mm)/45 guns (5 x 2)
16 - 5 in (127 mm)/51 guns (16 x 1)
?? - 3 in (76.2 mm)/50 AA guns
?? - 1.1 in (28 mm)/75 AA guns
?? - 0.5 in (12.7 mm) Browning AA guns

Armor:    

Belt: 9–11 in (229–279 mm)
Lower casemate: 8–10 in (203–254 mm)
Upper casemate: 5 in (127 mm)
Barbettes: 4–10 in (102–254 mm)
Conning tower: 11.5 in (292 mm)
Decks: 1.5 in (38 mm)

Note: Most contemporary ships can fire 10 guns on their broadside. (Except Ganut, Nikolai I and Dante Aligheri which can fire 12)


T5 USS Wyoming (BB32)

Armament:    
12 - 12 in (305 mm)/50 guns (6 x 2)
6 - 5 in (127 mm)/51 guns (6 x 1)
8 to 10 - 3 in (76.2 mm)/50 AA guns (8 to 10 x 1)

Armor:    
Belt: 5–11 in (127–279 mm)
Lower casemate: 8–10 in (203–254 mm)
Upper casemate: 6.5 in (165 mm)
Barbettes: 11 in (279 mm)
Conning tower: 11.5 in (292 mm)
Decks: 2.5 in (64 mm)

Note: Give her a higher HP pool and WW2 AA guns setup, she can brawl against T7. I have seen this BB survive in a T5 to T7 battle. Twice.
Note: Her sister USS Arkansas participated in WW2 as secondary line of defense ships. Hence her hull B plus updated AA of Oerlikon and Bofors and shes good for T5.
Note: Shes like a New York but with 12 - 12 in guns
Note: Has the same speed as New York (21 knots)


T5 USS New York (BB34)

Armament:  
10 - 14 in (356 mm)/45 guns (5 x 2)
6 - 5 in (127 mm)/51  guns (6 x 1)
8 to 10 - 3 in (76.2 mm)/50 AA guns (8 to 10 x 1)

Armor:    
Belt: 6–12 in (254–305 mm)
Lower casemate: 9–11 in (229–279 mm)
Upper casemate: 6.5 in (165 mm)
Barbettes: 12 in (305 mm)
Conning tower: 12 in (305 mm)
Decks: 2.5 in (64 mm)

Note: Same gameplay. No change needed.
Note: Has the same speed as Wyoming (21 knots)


T6 USS Nevada (BB36)

Armament: (1942)    
10 - 14 in (356 mm)/45 guns (2 × 3 and 2 × 2)
16 - 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (8 × 2)

Armor:    
Belt: 8–13.5 in (203–343 mm)
Barbettes: 13 in (330 mm)
Conning tower: 11.5 in (292 mm)
Decks: 3 in (76 mm)

Note: 10 guns compared to USS New Mexico's 12 guns
Note: Has the same speed as New Mexico (21 knots)
Note: After T6,  you can research either as a Battleship or as a Battlecruiser at T7, and still progress to T8 with only one of them researched. The choice is yours.
 

T6 USS New Mexico (BB40)

Armament:    
12 - 14 in (356 mm)/50 guns (4 × 3)
10 - 5 in (127 mm)/51 guns (10 x 1)
8 - 5 in (127 mm)/27 guns (8 x 1)

Armor:    
Belt: 8–13.5 in (203–343 mm)
Barbettes: 13 in (330 mm)
Conning tower: 11.5 in (292 mm)
Decks: 3.5 in (89 mm)

Note: Same gameplay. No Change.
Note: Has the same speed as Nevada (21 knots)
Note: After T6,  you can research either as a Battleship or as a Battlecruiser at T7, and still progress to T8 with only one of them researched. The choice is yours.


T7 USS Constitution (CC5 Lexington class Battlecruiser)

Armament:
8 – 16 in (406 mm)/45 guns (4 x 2)
14 – 6 in (152 mm)/53 guns (14 x 1)
8 - 3 in (76 mm) AA guns (8 x 1)

Armor:
Belt: 5–7 in (127–178 mm)
Barbettes: 5–9 in (127–229 mm)
Conning tower: 12 in (305 mm)
Deck: 1.5–2.25 in (38–57 mm)

Note: She complements USS Colorado and mirrors HMS Hood at T7
Note: Fast ship, good guns, but poor AA and armor
Note: You will still progress to T8 after this tier. No need to research the other T7, unless you want to collect them.


T7 USS Constellation (CC2 Lexington class Battlecruiser)

Armament:
10 – 14 in (356 mm)/45 guns (2 x 3 and 2 x 2)
14 – 6 in (152 mm)/53 guns (14 x 1)
8 - 3 in (76 mm) AA guns (8 x 1)

Armor:
Belt: 5–7 in (127–178 mm)
Barbettes: 5–9 in (127–229 mm)
Conning tower: 12 in (305 mm)
Deck: 1.5–2.25 in (38–57 mm)

Note: Note: She complements USS Colorado and mirrors HMS Hood at T7 but with 10 guns insted of 12 guns
Note: Fast ship, good guns, but poor AA and armor
Note: You will still progress to T8 after this tier. No need to research the other T7, unless you want to collect them.


T7 USS Tennesee (BB43) (1941)

Armament:    
12 - 14 in (356 mm)/50 guns (4 × 3)
8 - 5 in (127 mm)/51 guns (8 x 1)
8 - 5 in (127 mm)/25 guns (8 x 1)

Armor:    
Belt: 8–13.5 in (203–343 mm)
Barbettes: 13 in (330 mm)
Conning tower: 11.5 in (292 mm)
Decks: 3.5 in (89 mm)

Note: She mirrors Colorado but has 12 - 14 in (356 mm)/50 guns
Note: USS Tennessee in her pre-refit look. The post-refit would be overkill AA for her tier.
Note: Has the same speed as Colorado (21 knots)
Note: Possible Hull C. 1944 rebuilt look
Note: You will still progress to T8 after this tier. No need to research the other T7, unless you want to collect them.


T7 USS Colorado (BB45)

Armament:    
8 - 16 in (406 mm)/54 guns (4 × 2)
8 - 5 in (127 mm)/51 guns (8 x 1)
8 - 5 in (127 mm)/25 guns (8 x 1)

Armor:    
Belt: 8–13.5 in (203–343 mm)
Barbettes: 13 in (330 mm)
Conning tower: 11.5 in (292 mm)
Decks: 3.5 in (89 mm)

Note:
Note: She mirrors Tennessee but has 8 - 16 in (406mm)/45 guns
Note: Has the same speed as Tennessee (21 knots)
Note: Possible Hull C. W. Virginia 1944 look
Note: You will still progress to T8 after this tier. No need to research the other T7, unless you want to collect them.


T8 USS North Carolina (BB)

Armament:    
9 - 16 in (406 mm)/45 guns (3 x 3)
20 - 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (10 x 2)

Armor:    
Belt: 12 in (305 mm)
Barbettes: 16 in (406 mm)
Conning tower: 12 in (305 mm)
Decks: 1.45 in (37 mm), 5 in (127 mm), 0.62 in (16 mm)

Note: Same gameplay. No change needed


T8 USS Indiana (BB58)

Armament:    
9 - 16 in (406 mm)/45 guns (3 x 3)
20 - 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (10 x 2)

Armor:    
Belt 12.2 in (310 mm)
Barbettes: 11.3–17.3 in (287–439 mm)
Conning tower 16 in (406 mm)
Decks 1.5 in (38 mm), 6.05 in (154 mm), 1 in (25 mm)

Note: Thicker armor, smaller than N. Carolina, and slower (by 1 knot) than N Carolina. Otherwise, good ship
Note: Massachusetts (BB59), Alabama (BB60), and (possibly future) T9 S. Dakota (BB57) are all premium.


T9 USS Iowa (BB61)

Armament:    
9 - 16 in (406 mm)/50 guns (3 x 3)
20 - 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (10 x 2)

Armor:    
Belt: 12.1 in (307 mm)
Barbettes: 11.6 to 17.3 in (295 to 439 mm)
Decks: 1.5 in (38 mm)

Note: Same game play. No change needed and a favorite.

T9 USS Illinois (BB65) or USS Connecticut (Battleship Study, BB 65 - Scheme 1)

Armament:  (USS Illinois)
9 - 16 in (406 mm)/54 guns (3 x 3)
20 - 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (10 x 2)

Armament:  (USS Connecticut)
6 - 18 in (457 mm)/48 guns (3 x 2)
20 - 5 in (127 mm)/ guns (10 x 2)

Armor:    
Belt: 12.1 in (307 mm)
Barbettes: 11.6 to 17.3 in (295 to 439 mm)
Decks: 1.5 in (38 mm)

Note: She is suppose to be USS Montana but with the success of the Iowa, the US government ordered an additional 2 of the class but with improvements.
Note: She carries the experimental 16 in (406 mm)/54 guns (that would probably have 7 or 8 bags of powder insted of Iowa's 6). Developed in the 1927.
Note: The Connecticut is an idea from USS Georgia. WOWS T9 premium 18 in (457 mm) guns on an Iowa chassis / hull.


T10 USS Montana (BB67)

Armament:    
12 - 16 in (406 mm)/50 guns (3 x 3)
20 - 5 in (127 mm)/54 guns (10 x 2)

Armor:    
Belt: 16.1 in (407 mm)
Barbettes: 21.3 in (541 mm), 18 in (457 mm)
Decks: 2.25 in (57 mm)

Note: Same game play. No change needed


T10 USS Nebraska (BB72)

Armament:    
8- 18 in (457 mm)/48 guns (3 x 3)
20 - 5 in (127 mm)/54 guns (10 x 2)

Armor:    
Belt: 16.1 in (407 mm)
Barbettes: 21.3 in (541 mm), 18 in (457 mm)
Decks: 2.25 in (57 mm)

Note: Just like the Tennessee class and Colorado class, the main armament was the only change for the ship. The armor and secondary guns stay the same. Cost cutting i guess.
Note: She carries the experimental 18 in (457 mm)/48 guns. Developed in the 1942.

 

Note note: All AA's may varay. hence i did not put them in the armaments. Plus they are too numerous to research.

 

Premium BB

T4 USS Utah (BB31)

Same as USS Florida. Her camo is very very pretty. +100% XP gain instead of the usual +50%


T5 USS Arkansas (BB33) (1945)

USS Arkansas in her 1945 setup. Massive AA like Texas.


T6 USS Oklahoma (BB37)

Like USS Arizona, (which was sunk in Pearl Harbor 1941), will have weak AA but good health pool, range, and dispersion.


T7 USS Idaho (BB42), T8 USS Washington (BB56), T9 USS Missouri (BB63) T9 USS Hawaii (CB3), T10 USS Ohio (BB68) and T10 USS Minnesota (BB??)

Radar


T7/T8 USS Pennsylvania (BB38)

Since she survived Pearl Harbor, she was upgraded to carry 16 - 5 in (127 mm)/ 38 guns found on the N. Carolina, S. Dakota and Iowa class. Basically an Arizona with improved AA.
Radar?


T7/T8 USS W. Virginia (BB48) (1943), USS California (BB44) (1943)

Both ships were destroyed in Pearl Harbor. Both ships came back with a vengeance. Both looks like a S. Dakota in the distance. They retain their main guns and horrible speed (21 knots), but their secondaries and AA's were massively increased. Food time.


T9/T10 USS New Jersey (BB62) and USS Guam (CB2)

Currently not yet in the game as of writing. But, what ever the gimmick will be for them, both ships will receive.

Edited by S0und_Theif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2,329
Member
4,539 posts
8,629 battles

'We are programmed to receive.
You can check out any time you like,
But you can never leave!'

Anyway, if MatterCore's rumor/unconfirmed leak about Calif being Free XP is true, I will... not care because she's not German :cap_cool: There are a bunch of candidates for a Tier 7 German BB, whether 2nd line or premium (historical designs, I don't make these things up).

There is a reason why WG haven't put the upgraded version of Take me home, Country Roads (West Virginia 1944), they still can't decide if putting that ship as a T7 is fine, or T8 without speed buff or with speed buff.

Edited by Paladinum

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1,011
[-CAT-]
Member
2,116 posts
10,885 battles
10 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

There is a reason why WG haven't put the upgraded version of Take me home, Country Roads (West Virginia 1944), they still can't decide if putting that ship as a T7 is fine, or T8 without speed buff or with speed buff.

Jingles did warn players, be careful what you wish for.

WG was planning to put W.Virginia (1944) as a T8. The speed is the problem. 21 knots.

California (W.Virginia with New Mexico guns) is the guinea pig for this, so the question now is T7 or T8 for W. Virginia 1944.:Smile_unsure:

Edited by S0und_Theif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Member
1,372 posts
5,758 battles
31 minutes ago, S0und_Theif said:

Jingles did warn players, be careful what you wish for.

WG was planning to put W.Virginia (1944) as a T8. The speed is the problem. 21 knots.

California (W.Virginia with New Mexico guns) is the guinea pig for this, so the question now is T7 or T8 for W. Virginia 1944.:Smile_unsure:

A similiar problem exists on some of the earlier Post-Jutland battleship designs: though they are heavily armed and protected, even comparable to some of the post-treaty designs, they are still traditional dreadnoughts in terms of speed.

One famous example is the British N3 design. Three triple 457-mm main guns, sloped 381 (magazine)/343 (machinery)-mm belt and 203-mm armoured deck, while retaining 23-kts speed, as she was intended to be a traditional "fleet" battleship for Tsushima-like decisive battles.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2,329
Member
4,539 posts
8,629 battles
15 minutes ago, Project45_Opytny said:

One famous example is the British N3 design.

Pretty sure that will come in the game (if it ever comes, that is) in the form of hypothetical modernization of the design, see ingame Conquerer - now in-game Thunderor. The ship was based off a design named/coded 'L2' or 'L3'.

Edited by Paladinum

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Member
1,372 posts
5,758 battles
2 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

Pretty sure that will come in the game (if it ever comes, that is) in the form of hypothetical modernization of the design, see ingame Conquerer - now in-game Thunderor. The ship was based off a design named/coded 'L2' or 'L3'.

A number of players from the Chinese WoWS community have argued that Conqueror/Thunderer is more likely an enlarged Vanguard, armed with the largest British naval gun ever developed (though, ironically, the starting point of the ship is deleted from the tech-tree version recently) using elements and aspects from the Queen Elizabeth-class and Lion-class (the popular triple 419-mm configuration is added later in the development) than a modernized development of Design L2 from the 1920s.

They do share a general configuration, but it's like the case between Ersatz Yorck project and the Bismarck-class I think. Related but little others more.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Member
1,372 posts
5,758 battles

Also a Lexington-class BC needs to have her citadel lowered to the height of other tech-tree USN battleships, and even armour upgrade like the Japanese Kongo-class.

I have citadeled the Lexington in Operation Narai with Shchors and Lazo at point-blank ranges.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1,011
[-CAT-]
Member
2,116 posts
10,885 battles
21 minutes ago, Project45_Opytny said:

Also a Lexington-class BC needs to have her citadel lowered to the height of other tech-tree USN battleships, and even armour upgrade like the Japanese Kongo-class.

I have citadeled the Lexington in Operation Narai with Shchors and Lazo at point-blank ranges.

Theoretical look (1944). Possible armor buff.

 

Constitution.png

UnitedStates.png

 

At point blank range, cruiser guns will citadel her.

Edited by S0und_Theif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2,329
Member
4,539 posts
8,629 battles

I also absolutely hate any design with 1 or more turrets in the middle of the ship between superstructures. Horrible idea IRL and in-game.

 

16 minutes ago, Project45_Opytny said:

I have citadeled the Lexington in Operation Narai with Shchors and Lazo at point-blank ranges.

Point-blank range, of course. Nearly all guns in the game have penetration up to 2 time the gun's size. For 150/152 mm it'd be up to 300 mm penetration. Lexington-class has like 229 mm belt at most.

Edited by Paladinum

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Member
1,372 posts
5,758 battles
1 minute ago, Paladinum said:

I also absolutely hate any design with 1 or more turrets in the middle of the ship between superstructures. Horrible idea IRL and in-game.

 

Point-blank range, of course. Nearly all guns in the game have penetration up to 2,5 time the gun's size. For 150/152 mm it'd be like over 300 mm penetration. Lexington-class has like 229 mm belt at most.

178-mm (7-inch) belt.

4 minutes ago, S0und_Theif said:

Theoretical look (1944). Possible armor buff.

 

Constitution.png

UnitedStates.png

Interesting pictures. The modernization of the Tennessee-class and West Virginia are also examples. In addition a fast capital ship is more valuable than a traditional dreadnought, so had a Lexington-class BC been completed, I think she will recieve very extensive modernization.

  • Cool 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2,329
Member
4,539 posts
8,629 battles
Just now, Project45_Opytny said:

178-mm (7-inch) belt.

229 or even more after modernization :Smile_smile: There is no reason the USN doesn't slap some more thiccness when rebuilding the ship...

  • Cool 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1,011
[-CAT-]
Member
2,116 posts
10,885 battles
4 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

229 or even more after modernization :Smile_smile: There is no reason the USN doesn't slap some more thiccness when rebuilding the ship...

Don't forget the torpedo buldges. Making them

thicc.PNG

Mwuahahahahahahaha............

Edited by S0und_Theif
  • Funny 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
655
[LBAS]
Member
2,965 posts
14,188 battles
On 10/4/2019 at 4:31 PM, Dread_Pirate_BlackHeart said:

watch one of the CC reviews, was either lord mountbatten, notser or zoup.

the george, california, and one of the tier 8s, there's a tier 10 the resources reward ship i think (I'm not into USN BBs) were all from the same line, so we will have tiers 7-10 of a new USN BB tree, but they decided to make them all premium ships.

 

Are we making Giulio Turning T6 Again?

:Smile_hiding:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2,285
[LBAS]
[LBAS]
Modder, Member
6,558 posts
40,301 battles

Really, take the helm and drive her and chase 1% HP Le Fantasque + 2% HP Le Terrible until morning :cap_haloween:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Member
1,372 posts
5,758 battles
16 minutes ago, BIGCOREMKP0I said:

Are we making Giulio Turning T6 Again?

:Smile_hiding:

I think perhaps we will see Andrea Doria/Caio Durio as T6 tech-tree Italian battleship next year? Or T6 Soviet premium Novorossiysk?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
655
[LBAS]
Member
2,965 posts
14,188 battles
1 minute ago, Project45_Opytny said:

I think perhaps we will see Andrea Doria/Caio Durio as T6 tech-tree Italian battleship next year? Or T6 Soviet premium Novorossiysk?

I'm thinking of Support CVs and USN/IJN BB Split, prolly Italian BBs soon

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
253
Member
541 posts
6,731 battles
On 10/4/2019 at 4:22 PM, Paladinum said:

'We are programmed to receive.
You can check out any time you like,
But you can never leave!'

Yeah well no sh*t she can't leave, her fat bottom is too thick to fit through the doorway!:Smile_trollface:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Sign in to follow this  

×