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We know several IJN's ships are quite advance in their time and Kriegsmarine's awesome U-boats. In the Japanese Original Video Animation (OVA): Konpeki no Kantai & Kyokujitsu no Kantai depicts the might of IJN vs Kriegsmarines. Off course with a little help from other nations but what if IJN and Kriegsmarine fought each other individually, who do you think will win and why?

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IJN has larger fleet size than Kriegsmarine.Kriegsmarine didn't have much ships since Hitler believed in U-Boat tactics and he ordered the navy to make more U-boats instead of making new ships.So the match depends on weather U-boats are allowed to Participate or Not.Without U-boats and Subs,IJN may win cause they have better Battleships and they are more in number.But if U-boats come in,the fate of the match may be different .

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We know several IJN's ships are quite advance in their time and Kriegsmarine's awesome U-boats. In the Japanese Original Video Animation (OVA): Konpeki no Kantai & Kyokujitsu no Kantai depicts the might of IJN vs Kriegsmarines. Off course with a little help from other nations but what if IJN and Kriegsmarine fought each other individually, who do you think will win and why?

 

IJN fleet was antiquated, most designs from the early 30s or earlier.

 

Pearl Harbour gave the US an opportunity to build a fleet 10 years more advanced than the IJN, this was especially the case in Gun barrel technology.  The Iowa class 16 inch guns had more pen, accuracy and damage potential than the 18 inch Yamoto class.

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Different fleets built for different oceans for different purposes so the question is somewhat loaded against Germany, most of the German fleet was built for commerce raiding in the smaller Atlantic ocean nevertheless the Bismark and Tirpitz would have equipped themselves well against anything other than the 18 inch monster guns of the Yamato class or the mighty 16 inch guns of the Iowa's.

German Heavy cruisers are on a par with anything the allies had, the Hipper class in particular are really mini battleships and look as good as any ship afloat.

The pocket Battleship class will prove interesting in Wows, I'm gonna get me a Graf Spee when they come out.

German DD's were fast and modern and should match it with any DD's in the game plus the German torpedoes should have range and speed.

To answer the question Japan would have dominated, more ships of heavier classes, Bismark, Tirpitz, Sharnhorst,and Gneisenau against how many Japanese BB's?

Not a fair contest.

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This is hella simplified, so take it with a grain of salt. There's a lot of fundamental assumptions and omitted details because I don't really want to write a thesis on a forum.

 

The IJN and KM were built along fundamentally different philosophies. IJN fleet doctrine was built around the kantai kessen doctrine, with a large core of capital ships supported by lighter vessels capable of hit-and-fade attacks on an opponent. After opponents have been whittled down sufficiently, the capital force of the IJN would engage their enemy in a decisive battle and inflict catastrophic damage on the enemy's main force, after which they would negotiate a surrender.

 

The KM, however, inherited the Imperial German Navy's doctrine of the fleet-in-being. Knowing that they could not match up to their closest rivals in terms of capital ships, the KM built only sufficient capital ships in order to pose a threat. The remainder of the KM's tonnage was devoted to commerce raiders suited for a war of attrition. Therefore, any opponent would have to keep their own fleets as a guard against the docked KM capital ships, leaving the KM commerce raiders free to conduct a war of economic attrition. If their opponents detached and weakened their main fleet to deal with the commerce raiders, the KM capital ships would immediately sortie to fight numerically inferior squadrons or divisions, resulting in a death of a thousand cuts as opposed to the IJN's single decisive blow.

 

Frankly, if the KM and IJN ever had to fight, it is likely that the KM would win. KM naval doctrine and tactics were built around attacking the Royal Navy and the UK, whose situation was extremely similar to Japan's. The KM would probably have denied the IJN their decisive battle, while slowly strangling the Japanese economy through commerce warfare until the IJN were unable to field the fleet needed for their decisive battle to take place. On the other hand, there's always the possibility of the IJN kido butai carrying out a Pearl Harbor-style attack on docked KM ships.

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IJN fleet was antiquated, most designs from the early 30s or earlier.

 

Pearl Harbour gave the US an opportunity to build a fleet 10 years more advanced than the IJN, this was especially the case in Gun barrel technology.  The Iowa class 16 inch guns had more pen, accuracy and damage potential than the 18 inch Yamoto class.

 

HMS Hood was launched in 1918 most RN capital ships in ww2 were older.

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IJN fleet was antiquated, most designs from the early 30s or earlier.

 

Pearl Harbour gave the US an opportunity to build a fleet 10 years more advanced than the IJN, this was especially the case in Gun barrel technology.  The Iowa class 16 inch guns had more pen, accuracy and damage potential than the 18 inch Yamoto class.

 

Well, there aren't many reasons to construct high number of new ships when there's no war. it was until Pearl harbor that the US feel the urgent needs to update their fleet. Despite that fact, the US already have a much more capable fleet than Jpn. They also anticipated the naval treaties; heck, they were the ones to brought them up in the first place, and already pre-emptively design vessels to have the best performance yet still within treaty limit like the South Dakota-class BB. I'd call that cheating, but still the USN on average still outmatch IJN both in technology and numbers. Even if the US didn't cheat with 2 Naval treaties, they'd still out run Jpn in a straight race of Economy/Industry/Technology. In short, Japan took a fight that they have almost no chance of winning.

 

All those history stuffs aside, in this game we have ships balanced by tier, and nationality only determine what perks they have. They'll all be balanced fair and square (atleast when the game starts initially, because WG tend to neglect old and unpopular vehicles later on...).

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Its a no brainer, if both navies fought each other at their 1939 strengths IJN would win, despite the disparity in modern warships, simply through sheer numbers and overwhelming airpower. Even with the Luftwaffe on board for this fight, they had little to no maritime aviation experience, lacking torpedo bombers and the tactics to coordinate dive bombing attacks. Sure the Germans had good fighters, but they were plagued by the lack of Carriers, and early German fighters lacked drop tanks to extend their range (something glaringly obvious that was missing at the Battle of Britain).

 

Aircraft aside, their fleet was modern, but nowhere near (Not even 20%) up to strength that they hoped for, as plan Z was interrupted by WW2 breaking out:

The KM's plans for expansion by 1945 included

 
  • 4 aircraft carriers
  • 10 battleships (including the new H class BB's)
  • 12 battlecruisers
  • 3 armored ships (Panzerschiffe)
  • heavy cruisers
  • 44 light cruisers
  • 158 destroyers and torpedo boats
  • 249 submarines
  • Numerous smaller craft 

Had they managed to achieve this kind of build up, they may well have beaten the Japanese, even if they had the Yamato sisters, as I believe the IJN anti submarine warfare record was rather poor in WW2 against the USN submarines, imagine if they faced the specialised KM U-boats

But this is just armchair theory, had it been a land battle, the Japanese would most certainly have been crushed as their mechanized warfare hadn't caught up with their naval innovations.

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in terms of capital ship slugfests though, I would really have loved to see the Scharnhorst unload rounds at the Kongo for maximum lulz.

 

but the navy though, KM had a crapton of subs that had insane ranges that turned the Atlantic into a giant game of 'pin the depth charge on the u-boat'

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If by sheer numers, IJN would win. Not to mention the KM Lacked a carrier (in operation).

If the ships of the same class vs eachother in single combat, the KM would certainy win IMHO.

 

Just take the Bismarck vs Yamato/Musashi for instance. Yes, the Bismarck was tiny in comparison, Especially when comparing gun size, so on paper the bismarck would lose, the Yamato/Musashi never managed to hit anything while we know about the track record of the Bismarck.

The German navy did quite well in WW2 despite being horribly outnumbered by the Royal Navy. Of course, most German ships were quite modern by the days' standards.

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