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I have about 40k coal lying around and I wonder if any of the ships offered with coal are worth it other than the tier 9 and 10 ships.

I know that Aigle isn't that good and I don't have a good opinion of Oktober Revolution either so I guess I am stuck with mining coal until something changes in the armoury.

If you asked me, I would like it if they changed the mid and low tier premiums every 6 months.

I would like Exeter and Gallant to be available for coal.

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The low tier ships are not that good to be honest. Especially since WG only favors ships of T5 & higher for literally all missions.

- Charleston is just St. Louis with pre-nerf stats & permanent camo.

- Yubari has nothing special to offer any longer because the change on AA mechanics is not compatible with how Yubari's AA worked back then (most T4 BBs have stronger AA now).

- Oktober Revolution is basically how the entire Russian BB line works in general (shorter damage control cooldown, but has limited charges).

No idea about Campbeltown. Aigle is actually a decent gunboat for Operations if you can lead the floaty ballistics which is akin to US DD guns.

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Unless your a collector or have a special need for the ship due to its history or country of origin most of the lower tiers are nothing special. Saving the coal up for the higher tier ships might be your best bet. I have a fair few premium ships and i have not got those low coal costing ships although i have been eyeing them from time to time. I too will horde for the higher tier ships.

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I second the above ... the high tier Coal ships can be rather rewarding ( but also demanding too ) but for mid to low tier , they might not be that much compared to the tech tree ships , most of them do not really get you anything extra or give enough of a difference ; that stated I too recommend Aigle , its a decent DD at T6 , and unlike its tech tree counterpart it had smoke. Personally I do think WG need to beef up the Coal ship roaster , there is just not much to really get people buying ( and not just ships ) the camo and signal and upgrade are IMHO on the expensive side ( might be they do not want to rip business from their actual money premium shop ) and there's really no Coal only camo / signal / upgrade offerings which they should had, and for the most part they rely on the top costing high tier ships like the JB to get people to sink their cache of Coal but also once there's too many JB and alike around its no longer fun or worthwhile so they keep upping the spec and by that they introduce ye more in-balance into the game ( not really a good idea ).

I think WG still do not get it ; what they need to provide is alternative / different play style in a new premium , not needing to be OP but it need to distinguish itself against the others as play and play style goes, and actually there is one of such Coal ship .. T10 USS Salem, with its heal , short range Radar it significantly change its play style vs its tech tree counterpart but without making it significantly OP , that ship I had and I strongly recommend , its not for the typical hide behind the island campers and it demand particulars , so do Aigle , and likely Campbeltown too.

I cannot voice much about the BB cause I do not play BB enough to warrant that

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I very much enjoy AIgle in Operations. It's the main reason I bought her.

Georgia is a long save but so SO much fun.

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14 hours ago, Sir_Feather said:

The low tier ships are not that good to be honest. Especially since WG only favors ships of T5 & higher for literally all missions.

- Charleston is just St. Louis with pre-nerf stats & permanent camo.

- Yubari has nothing special to offer any longer because the change on AA mechanics is not compatible with how Yubari's AA worked back then (most T4 BBs have stronger AA now).

- Oktober Revolution is basically how the entire Russian BB line works in general (shorter damage control cooldown, but has limited charges).

No idea about Campbeltown. Aigle is actually a decent gunboat for Operations if you can lead the floaty ballistics which is akin to US DD guns.

Oktober Revolution also has traditional battleship disperation in contrast to the ones that favor mid-range brawl found on tech-tree Soviet BBs and slightly lower citadel (though showing broadside is still suicidal) than Gangut and Pytor Veliky.

St. Louis is nerfed? Also Charlestown has slower rudder shift in contrast to St. Louis.

Personally speaking, besides the fact of being the cheapest Japanese premium cruiser (you can earn her for free by collecting coal), the tech-tree Kuma is a better choice, with better firepower and, at least, your engine and rudder would not break down so often.

Littlewhitemouse once wrote a review about Campbeltown in the NA Forum. In a nutshell, though based on a Wickes-class hull, she performs more like a Mutsuki, with little gun-fight capablity and inconvenient torpedoes.

In addition a problem... does Aigle share the same ballistic performance with the mid-tier tech-tree French destroyers? Due to real-life problems I missed the Siroco offered in the first part of the French destroyers event.

Also I remember that Aigle has been buffed in a patch from the 0.7 versions and she is able to torpedo from stealth even without Concealment skill.

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14 minutes ago, Project45_Opytny said:

St. Louis is nerfed? Also Charlestown has slower rudder shift in contrast to St. Louis.

Personally speaking, besides the fact of being the cheapest Japanese premium cruiser (you can earn her for free by collecting coal), the tech-tree Kuma is a better choice, with better firepower and, at least, your engine and rudder would not break down so often.

In addition a problem... does Aigle share the same ballistic performance with the mid-tier tech-tree French destroyers? Due to real-life problems I missed the Siroco offered in the first part of the French destroyers event.

Also I remember that Aigle has been buffed in a patch from the 0.7 versions and she is able to torpedo from stealth even without Concealment skill.

St. Louis' gun reload time was 9 seconds. But WG stated this made the ship "too effective", and nerf it to 10 seconds. And WG released Charleston some weeks later.

Kuma is indeed a better choice. Not only Kuma has better firepower, she also has more torpedoes (mounted on each side rather than on centerline) with better launch angle.

Aigle shares the same ballistic performance with the mid-tier tech tree French counterparts and is also capable to citadel almost all cruisers in Operations from medium range. Aigle's rate of fire is between Guepard's with & without main battery reload booster. And yes Aigle's recent buff allows to to torpedo from stealth without CE with 500m safe gap. The only main difference is Aigle has smoke instead of main battery reload booster, and almost all stats are actually the same with Guepard.

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You need to play the long game with coal.  Its not worth blowing it on low tier ships or crates or anything else in the armoury for that matter.   just keep plugging away and wait for a high tier ship

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1 hour ago, Sir_Feather said:

St. Louis' gun reload time was 9 seconds. But WG stated this made the ship "too effective", and nerf it to 10 seconds. And WG released Charleston some weeks later.

Kuma is indeed a better choice. Not only Kuma has better firepower, she also has more torpedoes (mounted on each side rather than on centerline) with better launch angle.

Aigle shares the same ballistic performance with the mid-tier tech tree French counterparts and is also capable to citadel almost all cruisers in Operations from medium range. Aigle's rate of fire is between Guepard's with & without main battery reload booster. And yes Aigle's recent buff allows to to torpedo from stealth without CE with 500m safe gap. The only main difference is Aigle has smoke instead of main battery reload booster, and almost all stats are actually the same with Guepard.

Tech-tree French destroyers have a modified disturbition of HP in their hulls that allows them to endure more damage than their HP bars would normally imply, using certain mechanics related to damage saturation as a compensation for their lack of smokescreen.

Also which one should a cruiser-main get first, Jean Bart or Georgia? I have a spare 10-point USN captain while a proper French BB captain have to be trained via Scenario operations in the future. However, a properly-built Georgia needs a captain with even more skill points, and I haven't tried the USN Superheavy Shells yet. On the other hand the French 380-mm rifles are famed with their high volecity and flat ballistics. Personally speaking I think I would grab Jean Bart first.

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But what I honestly don't like is that there are no tier VII premiums for purchase. The selection is honestly small and after Aigle it shoots up to tier XI and X. Now there is the Tier X Russian Atlanta aka Smolensk.

Btw I have enough for either Aigle or Okt. Rev, which one to get?

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1 hour ago, Project45_Opytny said:

Tech-tree French destroyers have a modified disturbition of HP in their hulls that allows them to endure more damage than their HP bars would normally imply, using certain mechanics related to damage saturation as a compensation for their lack of smokescreen.

Also which one should a cruiser-main get first, Jean Bart or Georgia? I have a spare 10-point USN captain while a proper French BB captain have to be trained via Scenario operations in the future. However, a properly-built Georgia needs a captain with even more skill points, and I haven't tried the USN Superheavy Shells yet. On the other hand the French 380-mm rifles are famed with their high volecity and flat ballistics. Personally speaking I think I would grab Jean Bart first.

Well yeah that one is also another difference.

I cannot really recommend which one you should pick because I only have Jean Bart right now. But I think Jean Bart is better at most situations. The only problem is Jean Bart cannot use AP to overmatch the bow armor on most heavy cruisers due to the small caliber rifles. So both Des Moines & Salem that position themselves firmly are the worst opponents to fight against other than DDs. But Jean Bart is still worth the coal.

2 minutes ago, PanJin21 said:

But what I honestly don't like is that there are no tier VII premiums for purchase. The selection is honestly small and after Aigle it shoots up to tier XI and X. Now there is the Tier X Russian Atlanta aka Smolensk.

Well that's entirely WG's problem. They have been pumping too much T9 &10 recently.

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20 hours ago, RalphTheTheatreCat said:

You need to play the long game with coal.  Its not worth blowing it on low tier ships or crates or anything else in the armoury for that matter.   just keep plugging away and wait for a high tier ship

+1 :cap_like: As usual great advice from Ralph

Saving all my coal for Georgia was the best decision I ever made.

(We won't mention the worst decision of blowing what I had later saved for Yoshino just days before Smolensk arrived. :Smile_hiding:

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I was just not sold on the Georgia as I already had the Misery, but the Smolensk is a very coalworthy ship.

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Just got the Friesland, now not long for the Smolensk and im also close to another mil of free exp for next ship. As i said stuff that re-grind nonsense wasting all that FXP for 1 ship ROFLMAO, i can get 3-4 ships.

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8 hours ago, RalphTheTheatreCat said:

I was just not sold on the Georgia as I already had the Misery, but the Smolensk is a very coalworthy ship.

I think they gonna pull it of the shelf in 2 month or so. 

 

Just like Kutuzov 

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