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WoWS Dev Blog's bundle of new news #10 - OH HAI OH

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US T10 BB Ohio! 4-turreted Georgia (based on Montana hull by the HP pool) with more reasons to STOP playing German BBs. 

There are comments that wonder about whether this ship will be to Montana like what Slava is to Kremlin, aka NOT free xp/Arsenal ship but a tech tree ship.

 

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14 hours ago, Shifty_Panzer said:

I'm about to commit stop playing German BB

When I saw the word "commit", I legit worried for a split second there

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Jokes aside, I'm looking forward into this "dual gun turret" US BB line.

I always thought the German have a fetish for dual gun turret.

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13 hours ago, Shifty_Panzer said:

I'm looking forward into this "dual gun turret" US BB line.

NOT confirmed! Don't get your hopes up...

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Oh look, another high tier premium US ship.

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Stillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll    waiting for a T9/10 KMBB!

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19 hours ago, S0und_Theif said:

Dont mind the other ships. Just look on the BB side.

*look at other ships*

 

14 hours ago, RalphTheTheatreCat said:

Stillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll    waiting for a T9/10 KMBB!

Can I wait with you?

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52 minutes ago, RalphTheTheatreCat said:

Stillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll    waiting for a T9/10 KMBB!

Personally speaking, I think that there exists a problem: There is not many available German projects left untouched,.especially top tier battleship.

The most "realistic" variants of the H-class battleships project (H-39 and H-41) has already been represneted by Tier IX Friedrich der Grosse (and its performance sucks at least before a recent buff to her secondary batteries), while Tier X Grosser Kurfurst is essientally made up by Wargaming using aspects of H-class battleship studies combined with and what is needed for a balanced, fun and engaging in-game performance, at least what Wargaming developers has thought that would be beneficial for a brawling playstyle then (courtesy of a certain user in NA Forum). H-class studies after H-41 variant has effectively turned some sort of pipe-dream fantasty to please that German dictator with sizes so large that can hardly, if not outright impossible, to build in German shipyards and use existing German naval infrastructure like Kiel Canal. Though a quasi-historical H-class variant armed with 8 guns (and at first, Wargaming have to abandon their 460-mm "Calibre Cap" so some sort of projected 480-mm guns can be used) combined with Tier V Konig-like (actually I completed my Konig grind with a traditional main-battery focused build with a newly-recruited captain and did not feel the main gun is as wonky as Kaiser or Bayern, besides we already has a 6-gun battleship Georgia in game recently) accuary may work.

Among the Z-plan projects, H-class BBs have already been represented. The O-class CBs are going to be represented as Tier IX large cruiser Siegfried (with Wargaming's trademark modernization refits). Graf Zeppelin already a Tier VIII premium CV, and if a complete tech tree of German CV is needed her planned sister ship (ofter rumored to be named as Peter Strasser) may work as a tech-tree Tier VIII. There has been a protracted debate concerning the Spahkreuzer project about how to rate her in-game, as an extremely over-sized Tier X destroyer or as a German mash-up of Yahagi and Emile Bertin and place her as a mid-tier light cruiser with high speed, a powerful torpedo arment but little armour. M-class light cruisers would at most work as Tier VI as a subtle side-grade of Nurnberg, with faster speed, altered torpedo arment and a conventional configuration. The D-class and O-class "Panzerschiffes" interest me that maybe there is some possibility of arranging an alternative split-off German cruiser line using M-class, D-class, O-class and some other design studies originated from the Weimar period (i.e. , one Scharnhorst-class preliminary study featuring an AB-XY arrangement of 8 330-mm rifles or preliminary Dutch Projcet-1047 done by the Germans; however this may somewhat blur the boundry of super cruisers) that would boast Graf Spee and/or Scharnhorst's flavor despite the fact that O-class has been used as a basis of a Premium super-cruiser.

Imperial Germany may provide some interesting low to mid-tier premiums (examples include a Derfflinger-class battlecruiser; a historically accurate "stock" Konig-class; the legendary SMS Seydlitz, the 150-mm gun armed S-113-class destroyers and a long series), however, with the current in-game meta and requirements, low tier premiums would have a rather limited appeal besides being historical themselves.

Regardless of all these, I wish your dream may come true one day.

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14 hours ago, Project45_Opytny said:

Personally speaking, I think that there exists a problem: There is not many available German projects left untouched,.especially top tier battleship.

There is the whole H-series (39, 40A, 40B, 41, 42, 43, 44) and some designs left over post-WW1... 

If they can fabricate ships like Hinden, GK and Roon, they can basically fabricate aaaaaaaaaaaaaaanything. All it needs is time. I have never been bothered by fabricated ships. This is a video game, after all.
I am only bothered with unbalanced ships (which there are a lot of those).

 

AND THEN, I MADE THIS THREAD!!! TADA!!!

The tier 8 in the thread is like the most imaginary ship in the entire line.

 

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4 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

There is the whole H-series, and some designs left over post-WW1... 

If they can fabricate ships like Hinden, GK and Roon, they can basically fabricate aaaaaaaaaaaaaaanything. All it needs is time.

 

AND THEN, I MADE THIS THREAD!!! TADA!!!

The tier 8 in the thread is like the most imaginary ship in the entire line.

 

Thanks for your reply :)

I have also thought about a battlecruiser side-line for Germany. Von der Tann-Moltke-Derfflinger-Mackensen-Ersatz Yorck. However there exists some problems: it is difficult to find suitable high-tier projects, and Genisenau may end up more "battlecruiser-esque" than Ersatz Yorck. And recently Wargaming has shown that they would certainly not mash-up "fast battleships armed with smaller guns" and 1940s cruiser-killers even the latter may be armed with BB-level main guns as well.

Besides one variant of 1940 study, H-class battleships are essentially repeatly enlarged Bismarcks with steadliy increasing parameters of main guns and armor protection, and I think that Wargaming has already mashed up the H-41 with H-39 as the 420-mm armed FdG.

The Schnelle GrosseKampfschiffe-4541 seems like a variant of the late World War I L-20 studies?

Concerning about fabricated ships, personally speaking, I do not want to introduce more of these fantasties unless unavoidable needs to fill up a tech tree. Though I do not oppose the already introduced ones in game.

And in the end I offer the 330-mm armed Scharnhorst preliminary as a potiental candidate of your suggestion :)

And finally some pictures collected about half a year ago.

Preliminary studies between Graf Spee and Scharnhorst with captions in Chinese characters (apparently clipped from some magazine article).

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And a 305-mm armed cruiser killer design from the Weimar period, provided by a friend during discussion about this game.

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19 hours ago, Project45_Opytny said:

The Schnelle GrosseKampfschiffe-4541 seems like a variant of the late World War I L-20 studies?

I believe so. I found the information about many WW1 and post-WW1 capital ship designs (pretty detailed too) on a website called thedreadnoughtproject (linked in my German BB article above).

The "GK" actually stands for "Grosse Kreuzer" in that document. I mean, German tradition of concealing ship identity. GK 4541 is a design comparable to Nagato and they marked that as "kreuzer" :Smile_trollface:

 

19 hours ago, Project45_Opytny said:

Concerning about fabricated ships, personally speaking, I do not want to introduce more of these fantasties unless unavoidable needs to fill up a tech tree. Though I do not oppose the already introduced ones in game.

 As long as they have credible, historical foundation of designs. Like GK is based on some triple turret blueprints WG found in an archive in Russia (same with Hindenburg), Georgia's guns were made and tested, Smolensk's weird turrets... I have seen that posted in a FB group by a naval enthusiast, and etc.

 

19 hours ago, Project45_Opytny said:

And a 305-mm armed cruiser killer design from the Weimar period, provided by a friend during discussion about this game.

Look like a good candidate for a panzerschiff "cruiser line"? :Smile_hiding: 

Anyway, if it's German, it's good (for me) :Smile_veryhappy: 

 

2 other German line proposals (take this with a grain of salt, however, these are some nice food for thought):

https://forum.worldofwarships.asia/topic/34766-german-dd-split-proposal-128-150/

https://forum.worldofwarships.asia/topic/34974-german-light-cruiser-line-speculationproposal/

 

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Didn't they just do Mackensen , in modified form, in the Prinz Eitel Frederich?

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According to the comments in Japanese wiki, WG perhaps had a plan to introduce Super-Scharnhorst BB (283mm 4x3) in Tier 9.
The source claimed he heard it from official two years ago.

I have no idea he tells truth or not, but not a surprise.
It is going to be very interesting to have a ship with such a design. 
 

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Bah. I thought it would be a superfast BB rather than a piddly 28knot grandmother. That is the fun of playing a Georgia. Speeding and breaking all the speed limits.

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1 hour ago, dejiko_nyo said:

Speeding and breaking all the speed limits.

 

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I know not every one will agree, but its the best i can do.
 

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Grey = KM
Navy = RN

KM and RN are always at odds with each other, hence they are a package deal.
Note: British Rodney line is a and/or scenario. Not all will be implemented sadly. 😞
But one likes to hope.

 

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11 hours ago, RalphTheTheatreCat said:

Stillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll    waiting for a T9/10 KMBB!

 

10 hours ago, Paladinum said:

Can I wait with you?

 

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18 hours ago, Ordrazz said:

Didn't they just do Mackensen , in modified form, in the Prinz Eitel Frederich?

Oh WarGambling did way more than that. Azuma - Yoshino, Kremlin - Slava, Georgia - Ohio (also Tirpitz B, Atago B, Asashio B and Massa B LMFAO)

 

14 hours ago, S0und_Theif said:

I know not every one will agree, but its the best i can do.

I think you should post photos with better resolution or type them out... I really can't read some of them.

 

18 hours ago, TheNPUKy said:

WG perhaps had a plan to introduce Super-Scharnhorst BB (283mm 4x3) in Tier 9.

As cruiser or as BB? As premium or as tech tree? :Smile_hiding:

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8 hours ago, Paladinum said:

I think you should post photos with better resolution or type them out... I really can't read some of them.

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T3 Nassau

T4 Kaiser

T5 Koning

T6 Bayern

T7 L21a or L22c

T8 Bismarck

T9 Grosser (H39 / H41 Double)

T10 Kurfurst (H39 / H41 Triple)


KM BC
T5 Derfflinger

T6 Mackensen

T7 Ersatz Yorck

T8 Gneisenau 1944

T9 O Class (Double)

T10 O Class (Triple)
 

Battleships

T7 L21a or L22c

Displacement: 42,000T
Length: 235 m (771 ft)
Beam: 32 m (105 ft)
Draft: 9 m (29 - 30 ft)

Speed: 22.5 to 24.5 knots

Armament: (L21a)
8 - 380 mm (15 in)/45 guns (4 x 2)
12 - 150 mm (5.9 in)/45 guns (12 x 1)
8 - 88 mm (3.5 in)/45 or 105 mm (4.1 in)/45 guns (8 x 1 or 4 x 2)

Note: This version of battleship may look like P.E. Friedrich. Turret X and Turret Y has some space.

 

Battlecruiser Branch

T5 Derfflinger 

Armament:
8 - 305 mm (12 in)/50 guns (4 x 2)
14 - 150 mm (5.9 in)/45 guns (14 x 1)
12 - 88 mm (3.5 in)/45 guns (12 x 1)

Note: Plays like Kongou.
Note: British Battlecruiser Tiger shares this design, playstyle and tier. (See British Tech Tree Suggestion)


T6 Mackensen

Armament:
8 - 350 mm (13.8 in)/45 guns (4 x 2)
14 - 150 mm (5.9 in)/45 guns (14 x 1)
8 - 88 mm (3.5 in)/45 guns (8 x 1)

Note: Plays like P.E. Friedrich.


T7 Ersatz Yorck

Armament:
8 - 380 mm (15 in)/45 guns (4 x 2)
14 - 150 mm (5.9 in)/45 guns (14 x 1)
8 - 88 mm (3.5 in)/45 guns (8 x 1)

Note: Plays like P.E. Friedrich but with Bayern guns.


T8 Gneisenau 1944 

Armament:
6 - 380 mm (15 in)/34 guns (3 x 2)
12 - 150 mm (5.9 in)/28 (6 x 2)
14 - 105 mm (4.1 in)/33 (7 x 2)
16 - 37 mm (1.5 in)/30 (8 x 2)
16 - 20 mm (0.79 in)/38 (4 x 4)?
6 - 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 3)

Note: Gneisenau move to T8 Battlecruiser from T7 Battleship.
Note: She gets the Bismarck treatment. 7.5 km base range for secondary batteries.
Note: She has torpedos.

Opinion Needed: Should Gneisenau have 2 separate models (1944 as Battleship and 1938 as Cruiser), or merged together at T8 as a battleship/battlesruiser and her armament will be upgraded like how the Mogami is upgraded?

Just a Thought: Would it be possible if the following 7 ships can interchange their tier depending on their ship role. (Example T7 as a battleship but becomes T9 as a cruiser and Vice versa) Alaksa [US], Azuma [JP], Kronshtadt [RU/SU], Dunkerque [FR], Scharnhorst [DE], Andrea Doria [IT], and "British Alaska" [GB]


T9 O class (Double)

Armament:
6 - 380 mm (15 in)/34 guns (3 x 2) possible to upgrade to 406 mm (16 in)/ 34 (3 x 2)
12 - 150 mm (5.9 in)/28 (6 x 2)
14 - 105 mm (4.1 in)/33 (7 x 2)
16 - 37 mm (1.5 in)/30 (8 x 2)
16 - 20 mm (0.79 in)/38 (4 x 4)?
6 - 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 3) 

Note: Like the Friedrich der Grosse (H39 / H41), Double meanse 2 guns per turret .
Note: She gets the Bismarck treatment. 7.5 km base range for secondary batteries.
Note: She has torpedos.
Note: T9 and T10 German battlecruiser sacrifice number of guns to attain speeds of 30 to 32 knots.
Note: Gneisenau 1938 merges to O class from pocket battleship to battlecruiser.


T10 O Class (Triple)

Armament:
9 - 380 mm (15 in)/34 guns (3 x 3) possible to upgrade to 406 mm (16 in)/ 34 (3 x 3)
12 - 150 mm (5.9 in)/28 (6 x 2)
14 - 105 mm (4.1 in)/33 (7 x 2)
16 - 37 mm (1.5 in)/30 (8 x 2)
16 - 20 mm (0.79 in)/38 (4 x 4)?
6 - 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 3) 

Note: Like the Grosser Kurfürst (H39 / H41), Triple meanse 3 guns per turret.
Note: She gets the Bismarck treatment. 7.5 km base range for secondary batteries.
Note: She has torpedos.
Note: T9 and T10 German battlecruiser sacrifice number of guns to attain speeds of 30 to 32 knots.


RN BB
T3 Bellerophon

T4 Orion

T5 Iron Duke

T6 Queen Elizabeth

T7 King George V

T8 Monarch

T9 Lion

T10 Conqueror


RN BC
T5 Tiger

T6 Renown

T7 "Admiralty / Hood" (Anson / Howe)

T8 "Vanguard" (Beatty / Jollice)

T9 King Edward VII

T10 Thunderer (Note: looks like the name thunderer will be a premium as of May 2019)


RN Forward Facing Guns Branch
T8 Rodney

T9BB N3 Variant 1 (3 x 3 or 3 x 2)

T9BC N3 Variant 2 (4 x 3 or 4 x 2)

T10BB G3 Variant 1 (3 x 3)

T10BC G3 Variant 2 (4 x 3)
 

Battlecruiser Branch
 

T5 Tiger

Armament:
8 - 343 mm (13.5 in)/45 guns (4 x 2)
12 -  152 mm (6 in)/45 guns (12 x 1)
2 - 76mm (3 in)/45 AA guns (2 x 1) More AA needed please

Note: Kongou's design inspired her. She was suppose to look like Princess Royal or Queen Mary, but when the British designed Kongou and found her design more uperior, they altered Tiger to look like Kongou.
Note: Due to kongou's design insperation, she plays like Kongou. Same tier.
Note: German Battlecruiser Derfflinger shares this design, playstyle and tier. (See German Tech Tree Suggestion)


T6 Renown (1939)

Armament:
6 - 381 mm (15 in)/42 guns (3 x 2)
20 - 113 mm (4.5 in)/45 DP guns (10 x 2)
32 - 40 mm 2-pdr AA guns (4 x 1)
?? - 20 mm

Note: Renown will represent her 1939 upgrade like QE at T6.
Note: The major difference between her counter part, the German Mackensen Class, is that Renown carries 6 - 381 mm (15 in)/42 guns, while Mackensen carries 8 - 350 mm (13.8 in)/45 guns at T6.


T7 Anson or Howe (Hood Class 1940)

Armament
8 - 381 mm (15 in)/42 guns guns (4 x 2)
20 - 113 mm (4.5 in)/45 DP guns (10 x 2) or 20 - 133 mm (5.25 in)/50 DP guns (10 x 2)
32 - 40 mm 2-pdr AA guns (4 x 1)
?? - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlkon guns

Note: Anson or Howe will represent Hood's 1940 upgrade if Hood did not sank with her battle with Bismarck. The Queen Ann's Mansion superstructure. QE's secondaries of 113 mm (4 in) or KGV's secondaries of 133 mm (5.25 in). As well as thicker armor.
Note: Implemented, Anson or Howe not only compliment/counter German battlecruiser Ersatz Yorck at T7 (See German Tech Tree Suggestion), but also compliment/counter US battlecruisers Constellation AND Constitution (Both Lexington class battlecruisers) at T7 (See US Tech Tree Suggestion). Planned and designed at almost the same year (Late 1918 to early 1920).

Historical Note: If Hood got her 1940 upgrade before battleing Bismarck, she "might" have survived her duel with Bismarck. British Admiralty knows Hood's weakness is her thin armor.


T8 Beatty or Jollice (Vanguard Class)

Armament:
8 - 381 mm (15 in)/42 guns (4 x 2) possible to upgrade to 381 mm (15 in)/45 guns
18 or 20 - 133 mm (5.25 in)/50 DP guns (8 x 2 or10 x 2)
32 - 40 mm 2-pdr AA guns (4 x 1)
?? - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors guns
?? - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlkon guns

Note: She is vanguard in many aspects, but with gun upgradeable to make her competitive during high tier battles.
Note: Possible to upgrade her guns from 381 mm (15 in)/42 guns to 381 mm (15 in)/ 45 guns found in the Monarch for better penetration.


T9 King Edward VII

Armament: Design 1
8 - 381 mm (15 in)/45 guns (4 x 2) possible to upgrade to 406 mm (16 in)/45 or 419 mm (16.5 in)/45
18 or 20 - 133 mm (5.25 in)/50 DP guns (8 x 2 or 10 x 2)
32 - 40 mm 2-pdr AA guns (4 x 1)
?? - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors guns
?? - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlkon guns

Note: In this design, she is like the German O Class (Double), 2 guns per turret, 4 turrets.
Note: T9 and T10 British battlecruiser sacrifice armor to attain speeds of 30 to 32 knots.

Armament: Design 2
9 - 381 mm (15 in)/45 guns (3 x 3) possible to upgrade to 406 mm (16 in)/45  or 419 mm (16.5 in)/45
18 or 20 - 133 mm (5.25 in)/50 DP guns (8 x 2 or 10 x 2)
32 - 40 mm 2-pdr AA guns (4 x 1)
?? - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors guns
?? - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlkon guns

Note: In this design, her gun arrangement is more like of Lion class while still acheiving 30 to 32 knot speed.
Note: T9 and T10 British battlecruiser sacrifice armor to attain speeds of 30 to 32 knots.


T10 Thunderer

Armament:
12 - 381 mm (15 in)/45 guns (4 x 2) possible to upgrade to 406 mm (16 in)/45 or 419 mm (16.5 in)/45
18 or 20 - 133 mm (5.25 in)/50 DP guns (8 x 2 or10 x 2)
32 - 40 mm 2-pdr AA guns (4 x 1)
?? - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors guns
?? - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlkon guns

Note: In this design, she is like the German O Class (Triple), 3 guns per turret, 4 turrets.
Note: T9 and T10 British battlecruiser sacrifice armor to attain speeds of 30 to 32 knots.



Forward Guns Battleships Branch


T8 Rodney 1944

Armament:
9 - 406 mm (16 in)/45 guns (3 x 3)
12 - 152 mm (6 in)/50 guns (6 x 2)
6 - 120 mm (4.7 in)/40 AA guns (6 x 1)
48 - 40 mm 2 pdr AA guns (6 x 1)
?? - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors guns
?? - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlikon guns
2 - 622 mm (24.5 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 1)

Note: Like Gneisenau 1944, Rodney 1944 also has a planned modernization in the USA. Hence she can fight in T8 battles.
Note: Rodney's design code is O3. There are other designs coded out there made by the British.
Note: These ships carry torpedo.


T9 N3 Variant 1 (Battleship) G3 Variant 1 (Battlecruiser)

Armament: (G3)
9 - 381 mm (15 in)/45 guns (3 x 3) upgradeable to 9 - 406 mm (16 in)/45 guns (3 x 3)

Armament: (N3)
9 - 406 mm (16 in)/45 guns (3 x 3) upgradeable to 9 - 419 mm (16.5 in)/45 guns (3 x 3)


Armament: (Secondaries and AA)
16 - 152 mm (6 in)/50 guns (8 x 2)
6 - 120 mm (4.7 in)/40 AA guns (6 x 1)
32 - 40 mm 2 pdr AA guns (4 x 1)
?? - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors guns
?? - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlikon guns
2 - 622 mm (24.5 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 1)

Note as Battlecruiser (G3): Gets smaller guns and thinner armor, but speed is 32 knots and longer hull.
Note as Battleship (N3): Gets bigger guns and thicker armor, but speed is 25 knots and shorter hull.
Note as Battleship (N3): Made the guns smaller to be competitive at T9

Note: These ships carry torpedo.


T10 N3 Variant 2 (Battleship) G3 Variant 2 (Battlecruiser)

Armament: (G3)
12 - 406 mm (16 in)/45 guns (4 x 3) upgradeable to 12 - 419 mm (16.5 in)/45 guns (4 x 3)

Armament: (N3)
12 - 419 mm (16 in)/45 guns (4 x 3) upgradeable to 8 - 457 mm (18 in)/45 guns (4 x 2)

Armament: (Secondaries and AA)
16 - 152 mm (6 in)/50 guns (8 x 2)
6 - 120 mm (4.7 in)/40 AA guns (6 x 1)
32 - 40 mm 2 pdr AA guns (4 x 1)
?? - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors guns
?? - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlikon guns
2 - 622 mm (24.5 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 1)

Note as Battlecruiser (G3): Gets smaller guns and thinner armor, but speed is 32 knots and longer hull.
Note as Battleship (N3): Gets bigger guns and thicker armor, but speed is 25 knots and shorter hull.
Note as Battleship (N3): Made the 457mm guns lesser to be competitive at T10

Note: These ships carry torpedo.



Full details is in British Tech tree Suggestion and German Tech Tree Suggestion in the Developers Section > Suggestions Tab

 

 

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56 分前、Paladinum の発言:

As cruiser or as BB? As premium or as tech tree? :Smile_hiding:

Here is a quick translation of what he claimed WG staff told him. It is pretty much in detail.
"There is a plan to introduce a premium German BB into T9 (Other comment calls it Super-Scharn) after T7 (Scharnhorst) and T8 (Tirpitz). It was originally planned as such like Missouri (Perhaps meant FreeXP ship?) but the plan has been postponed because it is a fictional ship made by WG. The BB is an enhanced version of Scharnhorst in all aspects and something between Hindenburg and Grosser Kurfurst. It has the main gun of Scharnhorst in the 4x3 layout with an improved dispersion ellipse (Another comment says it is the same as Graf Spee). It aims to be a battlecruiser which is capable to fight like a heavy cruiser."

The comments were posted on the page of upcoming German T9 CA Siegfried which has 380 mm guns. (Thus the Super-Scharn is NOT the Siegfried and the plan has to be either postponed again or scrapped.)

I hope it feeds some imagination :fish_happy:
 

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16 hours ago, S0und_Theif said:

Opinion Needed: Should Gneisenau have 2 separate models (1944 as Battleship and 1938 as Cruiser), or merged together at T8 as a battleship/battlesruiser and her armament will be upgraded like how the Mogami is upgraded?

First of all, Gnei wouldn't really work at T8 with stats alone (unless buffed to an unreasonable extent). Many uptiered ships (premiums) in this game only work with some forms of consumable gimmick. This has always been the case. So I believe Gnei should stay where she is.
Gneisenau is too powerful in terms of protection to be a cruiser. 350 mm belt and turtleback. That's basically madness. But the BBs exist... kinda unfair regardless lol

 

16 hours ago, S0und_Theif said:

T9 O class (Double)

WG announced Siegfried, an (modified) O-class as a T9 cruiser a few weeks ago, soooooo... 
Also O-class fits T7 as BB...

 

16 hours ago, S0und_Theif said:

T10 O Class (Triple)

I don't think that the large triple turrets can fit in such a thin hull... Maybe the double 406/420 from FdG, but triple is a bit too much.

 

16 hours ago, S0und_Theif said:

T8 Beatty or Jollice (Vanguard Class)

Well... Vanguard is not technically a "class". Vanguard was completed improvised. Lion's hull and old Queen E guns. So maybe not... If there is any preliminary design between KGV and Lion, I think that'd be better.
There are also a bunch of post-WW1, pre-Nelson designs that fit into T7 between Queen E and KGV (KGV could easily be the T8 with that super unfair reload, and Hull B could be in-game Monarch).

 

16 hours ago, S0und_Theif said:

Forward Guns Battleships Branch

I'm kinda half and half about it. They would be under-HP for their tiers, but some of those designs may make a nice line.

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15 hours ago, TheNPUKy said:

Here is a quick translation of what he claimed WG staff told him. It is pretty much in detail.
"There is a plan to introduce a premium German BB into T9 (Other comment calls it Super-Scharn) after T7 (Scharnhorst) and T8 (Tirpitz). It was originally planned as such like Missouri (Perhaps meant FreeXP ship?) but the plan has been postponed because it is a fictional ship made by WG. The BB is an enhanced version of Scharnhorst in all aspects and something between Hindenburg and Grosser Kurfurst. It has the main gun of Scharnhorst in the 4x3 layout with an improved dispersion ellipse (Another comment says it is the same as Graf Spee). It aims to be a battlecruiser which is capable to fight like a heavy cruiser."

I always want to see a Bismarck with Scharn's turrets :fish_cute_2:

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7 hours ago, Paladinum said:

I always want to see a Bismarck with Scharn's turrets :fish_cute_2:

 

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