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This replay right here shows how easy for me to get random players to cooperate. Just a bit of encouragement and the smart use of simple English, it will do.

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Or sometimes, just a simple radio command and the will to believe.

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2 hours ago, Navy_Sensou said:

This replay right here shows how easy for me to get random players to cooperate. Just a bit of encouragement and the smart use of simple English, it will do.

20190523_183230_PFSB109-Alsace_14_Atlantic.wowsreplay

Or sometimes, just a simple radio command and the will to believe.

20190523_181802_PFSB109-Alsace_18_NE_ice_islands.wowsreplay

And i'm here sitting in my Audacious yelling the team "get in the damn objective u noobs" 

this recently match is the reason I lost interest in trying to carry the damn team. 

And you thought "catch the damn train CJ" is annoyed enough.

No no, This right here with Max make me so mad. The team just all over the place. One side don't know how to coordinated, others just wont push the objective and in the end, my effort to make the team do the push fail and help running fail too. but somehow manage on top ( seeing how my team really "teamwork", never expect Cv on top all the time )

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1 hour ago, appoclyse said:

And i'm here sitting in my Audacious yelling the team "get in the damn objective u noobs" 

this recently match is the reason I lost interest in trying to carry the damn team. 

And you thought "catch the damn train CJ" is annoyed enough.

No no, This right here with Max make me so mad. The team just all over the place. One side don't know how to coordinated, others just wont push the objective and in the end, my effort to make the team do the push fail and help running fail too. but somehow manage on top ( seeing how my team really "teamwork", never expect Cv on top all the time )

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oh yes, "i lost interest in trying to carry the damn team" when you drive planes like a complete drunk. You ate flaks a lot and executed poor strikes. You have zero carry potential.

You are not a remotely good CV player, to be precise, not a good Audacious player. So you have no right to complain others.

I'm talking to you as a top Audacious player, no self-conceited.

You can't call orders when yourself isn't seemed to be reliable to other players.

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3 minutes ago, Navy_Sensou said:

oh yes, "i lost interest in trying to carry the damn team" when you drive planes like a complete drunk. You ate flaks a lot and executed poor strikes. You have zero carry potential.

You are not a remotely good CV player, to be precise, not a good Audacious player. So you have no right to complain others.

I'm talking to you as a top Audacious player, no self-conceited.

You can't call orders when yourself isn't seemed to be reliable to other players.

well, I try thought. but to be precise, my experience lately have been lack luster because seeing the team position and how hard counter they are. I of course will get furious because I cant deal anything to them while the team position is just as bad as I drunk go support. :cap_old:

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35 minutes ago, Navy_Sensou said:

oh yes, "i lost interest in trying to carry the damn team" when you drive planes like a complete drunk. You ate flaks a lot and executed poor strikes. You have zero carry potential.

You are not a remotely good CV player, to be precise, not a good Audacious player. So you have no right to complain others.

I'm talking to you as a top Audacious player, no self-conceited.

You can't call orders when yourself isn't seemed to be reliable to other players.

sempai can you check my skk replays and tell me how to be supah cee vee unicum?

*i think one of them was the match we met, the ice islands one

 

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i cant seem to balance teamplay and a thrist for damage

and i just switched over from USN CVs so im not really used to the APDBs, so my aim might be a bit off

 

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you think you guys are frustrated, then think what if you are DD main .. you are already penalized for being a DD in a Radar and CV heavy game meta, and all you try to do you get no support , and even pleading the guns to PUSH, to TANK, to defend to ... whatever, never ever got a reply or more precisely those do reply with real action usually end up solo to their heroic death .. and of course at the same time those sitting farming damage got all the credit and EXP .. yes some would reply in the positive but unfortunately most will not and as a DD main I've now grown accustomed to this lack of any real teamplay and any real support from my teams guns , or in plain english I do not trust any of them until they shown otherwise ( same for CV in fact , most just out do their own damage farming and forge about all the little tactical task they should perform ), and in turn mutual hatred bleed, and yet in turn teamplay is all out of the door ..

Yes I myself is to be blamed too , I do not and will not teamplay if the guns ( and CV ) in the team will not, I am not excusing myself for this, I am just factually saying what I will do , I will focus on my own survival first and foremost cause as a DD in current meta that's THE task on hand, then if possible my own damage farming instead. The team do not want anything tactical done, a lone player can do nothing. Capping sorry won't do it unless I see a positive firm and hard push, then I will pitch in and help, no I would not vanguard for it cause I have no confidence the team will fellow. Screening what screening ... the guns all bunched up back there , no need for screening ... spotting / Scouting .. well call CV you are ringing on the wrong department ...

Is this a healthy attitude, of course not, but the game , game mechanics, game play, and game economy force such ... yes we all know teamplay can be beneficial , and win games ... but try to talk that into the general player population first, those on this forum are generally whose seeking to better their skill, their gaming experience and will want to improve on their game play and gaming skill, but that's not the case for the general larger population ( especially on Asian server ) where they just try to find their own personal thrill ( and reward ) and often at cost of the team

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No such thing as team work. Every ship for itself. Most of the time you request spotting or help, anything at all will result in no response or action. Plain and simple, they don't care or give a fk. Its the mentality, so if i see that someone is trying to do something reasonable then i might help.

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On 5/25/2019 at 3:07 AM, AxEyBoI said:

Its the mentality, so if i see that someone is trying to do something reasonable then i might help.

Isn't this what called teamwork? It is portrayed in my replay. You are in conflict with yourself bud.

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On 5/24/2019 at 12:47 AM, drakon233 said:

sempai can you check my skk replays and tell me how to be supah cee vee unicum?

*i think one of them was the match we met, the ice islands one

 

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i cant seem to balance teamplay and a thrist for damage

and i just switched over from USN CVs so im not really used to the APDBs, so my aim might be a bit off

 

20190523_182812_PJSA108-Shokaku_19_OC_prey.wowsreplay

20190523_184831_PJSA108-Shokaku_18_NE_ice_islands.wowsreplay

20190523_191353_PJSA108-Shokaku_42_Neighbors.wowsreplay

20190523_235516_PJSA108-Shokaku_28_naval_mission.wowsreplay

20190524_002854_PJSA108-Shokaku_46_Estuary.wowsreplay

So i finally have time to watch your replays.

Here is what you need to improve:

1. You need to know how to farm damage better. I saw you split up your strike by attacking various ships. You only need to get a flooding on a ship then wait for him to damage con, and you go for another run to set another flooding. There you go, 15k damage easy.

2. Value your plane to a single one. Plane reservation is also a very important skill, i mastered it so i have full squad ready every time throughout the match. The best way to reserve planes is remembering weak AA zone of various ships, like Henry or Republique that have zero close range AA. So even if your planes are all in red stage, you can still able to get them home by recalling right on top of the ship.

3. i didn't see you perform slingshot with AP bomber yet. It's a very great skill to reserve plane and carry out attacks too. Do learn it.

4. When attacking a ship, carefully consider if you can make a second strike or not. If not, you need to recall it right after the first strike.  You can still attack protected zone by fighters with this doing.

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4 hours ago, Navy_Sensou said:

Isn't this what called teamwork? It is portrayed in my replay. You are in conflict with yourself bud.

Damn right. I want to help even if it means going into a losing battle outnumbered so its not 3v1, i make it 3vs2 but now its like nah. So be it.

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On 5/24/2019 at 1:12 AM, appoclyse said:

And i'm here sitting in my Audacious yelling the team "get in the damn objective u noobs" 

this recently match is the reason I lost interest in trying to carry the damn team. 

And you thought "catch the damn train CJ" is annoyed enough.

No no, This right here with Max make me so mad. The team just all over the place. One side don't know how to coordinated, others just wont push the objective and in the end, my effort to make the team do the push fail and help running fail too. but somehow manage on top ( seeing how my team really "teamwork", never expect Cv on top all the time )

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Take your car to a mechanic, shout, "Fix my car you damned noob!", and see what happens.

Hint; you won't get your car fixed, is my bet. Just be grateful you don't get a punch in the face every time you insult somebody online.

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11 minutes ago, Blast_Radius1 said:

Take your car to a mechanic, shout, "Fix my car you damned noob!", and see what happens.

Hint; you won't get your car fixed, is my bet. Just be grateful you don't get a punch in the face every time you insult somebody online.

so I shouldn't be complain ? when you see the team like that, you wont complain ? I dare said bravo to your spirit buddy.

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On 5/27/2019 at 2:15 PM, appoclyse said:

so I shouldn't be complain ? when you see the team like that, you wont complain ? I dare said bravo to your spirit buddy.

It's the manner in which you try to get your team's cooperation which bears directly on the result. Insults will get you precisely nowhere, especially in this game.

I try to help my team, especially if asked directly, but insult me and I'm off to the other flank to leave you to die. So would anyone else with an ounce of self respect.

In my experience, the ones hurling insults are usually pretty useless anyway...or already dead.

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Manners or whatever way you present it means nothing 90% of the time. They just dont care plain and simple. Sometimes you have to be aggressive and insult to get results cos being nice does not get the msg across. You can try and say please but only 1-2 in 10 might help or be on the same wave. Its just the Asian Server mentality.

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the new meta even in co-ops is too run to the map border and usually not even fire guns. XP farming at it's worst, 10k games later it's in tier ten matches. No amount of pinging map, politely requesting assistance or "capture that area" or any other thing works. WG has a problem with bot xp.

I can think of 2 games in the last 6 months where a team (or part of a team) has worked together at all.  Too many accounts are being sold and bought by people with no idea even what a cap is, how to angle or use WASD.  

No amount of nice encouragement works. Welcome to the internet.

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1 hour ago, Tagnbag said:

the new meta even in co-ops is too run to the map border and usually not even fire guns. XP farming at it's worst, 10k games later it's in tier ten matches. No amount of pinging map, politely requesting assistance or "capture that area" or any other thing works. WG has a problem with bot xp.

Not new meta. Has been here since forever, particularly got worse last couple of years when a certain region server stopped getting updates and their population shifted over. The "events" did not help as doing nothing still earns you easy reward points for doing nothing while your team does all the lifting. Right now, as soon as I see certain people/clans in coop with me, I know that I have to play extra hard to ensure the win because they will run and snipe. I rather play with 7 bots on my team than those people. While some of us suspect they are automated players from the ridiculous number of games we are able to glimpse when their stats are not secret, there is nothing much we can do about them. Put it this way, to play insane number of games a week to earn the points needed to be in the top 100 WHILE playing poorly in coop? You'd literally don't have to sleep.

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1 hour ago, dejiko_nyo said:

Not new meta. Has been here since forever, particularly got worse last couple of years when a certain region server stopped getting updates and their population shifted over. The "events" did not help as doing nothing still earns you easy reward points for doing nothing while your team does all the lifting.

can't agree more .... Co-Op, Random, OPs .. the same .. sometime its getting to the point that I am so frustrated that I just had to quit fighting .. too tiring to do all the work , one can literally burn out mid-game

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18 hours ago, Mechfori said:

can't agree more .... Co-Op, Random, OPs .. the same .. sometime its getting to the point that I am so frustrated that I just had to quit fighting .. too tiring to do all the work , one can literally burn out mid-game

see this ties into what I was saying in the Massachusetts thread, doesn't matter for 90% of games how good you are, what good tactics you have to pass on... no one listens.

"spot the other two CV's". that is all that's left of their team apart from 1 BB, when we have 3 ships left (and 2 CV's). nope. they continue to harass the BB,  we cant spot the CV's and they sink the 3 ships, and we loose.

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The long-ranged, non-pushing meta, complain-about-team-but-doing-trashy meta, punishing pusher meta, damage-focused meta (and reward design), anti-DD meta, etc.

They are all the ever-present problems in the game for a very long time and people keep complaining about CVs this, AA that.

FFS you people need to prioritize on the bigger, deeper-rooted problems.

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1 hour ago, Paladinum said:

The long-ranged, non-pushing meta, complain-about-team-but-doing-trashy meta, punishing pusher meta, damage-focused meta (and reward design), anti-DD meta, etc.

They are all the ever-present problems in the game for a very long time and people keep complaining about CVs this, AA that.

FFS you people need to prioritize on the bigger, deeper-rooted problems.

What would you say drives these bigger, deeper rooted problems? It seems to be every man for himself, more and more.

I personally wonder if the current reward system could be modified to encourage more team play. More rewards for spotting? Perhaps rewarding damage done to spotted enemies? I know I've lost count of the number of DDs I've held spotted for as long as possible, only to have my team mates too busy farming away on the nearest BB to bother. DDs then cap out in smoke, or kill my team, or both, leaving my team to abuse the "Useless CV".

 

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No ; Those are seperate issues and equally in need of revamp. Even if the game somehow force or lure player to team play properly ; the ill implemented AA still ill implemented ; the trashy reward system still the trash reward system ...

A lot of these are tied together in a game snd the interplay ... You need to made the basic works first and right now too many of the basics are just not working, and their interplay even worse

AA do not function properly as AA and as acounter-play ; reward is too skewed towards damage deal and kill and ignore tier difference ; support duty is not even rewarded and in fact play out as negative reward granting. So many ships are still spec to the old game versions and not updated when new element introduce into the game .... The list goes on and on 

What OP want to stress is teamwork is possible and beneficial ; it would need communication and some social interaction ; I do not think any of us disagree ... What matter always is such communication and social interaction might not yield the needed team-play in fact its usually heard on deaf ears ( intentionally so ) and we all know its not just human nature at its less than great on display .. There are game play elements that drive people not to team work .. And in true reward being selfish and letting the others on the team to go out ; push ; take the damage and be fire bait when one can be staying out of it , snipe and damage farming without any backfire ... So long the game penalize those who do go out and support ; those who play for the team & reward those who don't. Team play will be a virtue that would not be the norm.

And why is such its because of all the basics in the elements of game play mechanics like non working AA ; Depletion of stealth to DD ; artificially OP ship like all the super cruisers pitched against tech tree peers ; having ill implemented CAP ... All if those are part of the underlying .. That which they create that environment and negative incentive towards team play.

We are no god or priest ; we cannot change human nature but the game can be changed to promote and reward team-play and support duties. And might be every ships individual earn credit / exp should be partly taxed into a team pool and that pool are to be shared if and only if a victory come

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23 hours ago, Tagnbag said:

the new meta even in co-ops is too run to the map border and usually not even fire guns.

Even in co-op? I’ve been playing wrong, my usual strat is get as close as I can and engage those star destroyers enemy ships at point blank range. I don’t always last long, but I usually take a few with me.

This is in a DD, provided you can use a friendly ship to spot while you kill enemy DDs, you can use smoke to get close and point blank torp enemy cruisers and BBs.

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37 minutes ago, Grygus_Triss said:

Even in co-op? I’ve been playing wrong, my usual strat is get as close as I can and engage those star destroyers enemy ships at point blank range. I don’t always last long, but I usually take a few with me.

This is in a DD, provided you can use a friendly ship to spot while you kill enemy DDs, you can use smoke to get close and point blank torp enemy cruisers and BBs.

Yes. Even in coop. If you play long enough, you know the regulars who do that move. It makes no sense whatsoever except to keep SR up. They look like farming scripts because they usually are bottom of the table at the end.

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1 hour ago, dejiko_nyo said:

Yes. Even in coop. If you play long enough, you know the regulars who do that move. It makes no sense whatsoever except to keep SR up. They look like farming scripts because they usually are bottom of the table at the end.

More XP for me.

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teamwork, there is no such thing, I only see it very rarely

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