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Time for me to hype, captains???

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I know the title is a reference to something, but I swear to RNGesus I didn't know it was a Scorpion song.

 

Most possible it's Project 1047.

People on Dev Blog are saying O-class, but O-class carries 380 mm guns, and thus more BB than CA (or even super cruiser). O-class is like in-game Gneisenau with super speed and without armor. That design doesn't have the reload, if she uses the same guns as Gnei. Maybe Scharnhorst guns on O-class hull.

I would be very disappointed of WG if they add O-class as a cruiser, but I'm happy the German gets something nice I can aim for (F**KING FINALLY)... 

 

EDIT. I AM disappointed. It's O-class. WG, quit the vodka already.

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So... O-Class is like fast cruiser with cruiser armor and BB guns? Interesting.

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1 hour ago, Paladinum said:

but O-class carries 380 mm guns, and thus more BB than CA

But it's only 6 of them and no torps. If WG uses the 380 version, they'll buff the reload to like 22 or 18 sec sec. But it would be nice if there are two options that players can choose between 380 or 283.

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15 hours ago, mr_glitchy_R said:

But it's only 6 of them and no torps. If WG uses the 380 version, they'll buff the reload to like 22 or 18 sec sec. But it would be nice if there are two options that players can choose between 380 or 283.

O-class was designed WITH torps actually. Same set-up as Gnei/Scharn.

The 380 mm need some heavy buffs to make the ship viable in the "common" super cruiser tier - Tier 9. Like non-German dispersion and 20s reload. I'd use the 283 mm more, maybe.

 

15 hours ago, Grygus_Triss said:

So... O-Class is like fast cruiser with cruiser armor and BB guns? Interesting.

The ONLY capital ship designed by the German with British battlecruiser-style design. High speed, thin armor, real BB guns. Comparable to RN Renown-class.

Armor belt 190 mm, maybe with a turtleback. 35 knots.

 

Some unnecessary history lesson:
WW1 German naval architects are like: "Yeah we're gonna take our BB designs, shave off a small bit of armor, 1 less turret and BAM!!! German battlecruisers!"
(TBH they feel like fast battleships than anything... Some of the early ones reached 25 knots and beyond...)
This, of course, is very different from pre-Hood British battlecruiser designs, which were all speed, all firepower, no protection. That went so well in the Battle of Jutland (103th anniversary incoming). The "best" example of the design differences b/w German and British "battlecruisers" are in the designs of German Mackensen-class and British Renown-class.

Look it up sometimes, it's funny.

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14 hours ago, Stormcloak_Rebel said:

An Azuma without superstucture?  🤔

What are you talking about? Azuma herself does not have superstructure.

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Freemium? Too soon to tell?

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14 hours ago, Max_Battle said:

Freemium? Too soon to tell?

O-class as a cruiser. Yeah that's a freemium.

 

What's worth talking about, is how WG are going to name that ship. German cruisers and battleships don't have numbers for names.

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13 hours ago, dejiko_nyo said:

Available for Steel. >_>

I hate u. Shuddup. Delete your comment.

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4 hours ago, Paladinum said:

People on Dev Blog are saying O-class, but O-class carries 380 mm guns, and thus more BB than CA (or even super cruiser). O-class is like in-game Gneisenau with super speed and without armor. That design doesn't have the reload, if she uses the same guns as Gnei. Maybe Scharnhorst guns on O-class hull.

Meh, Azuma supposed to be 380mm too

they drunk before, so why not now

 

anyway it prob this one, the back shilluette look similiar

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A German cruiser with smoke huh? 

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3 hours ago, Paladinum said:

O-class was designed WITH torps actually. Same set-up as Gnei/Scharn.

The 380 mm need some heavy buffs to make the ship viable in the "common" super cruiser tier - Tier 9. Like non-German dispersion and 20s reload. I'd use the 283 mm more, maybe.

But so many models I found in the internet doesn't have torps. But WG will add them anyway.

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The Good Finally some love for German ships. Only thing left to see is how the armor functions(if it is anything like Hindy right now, it'll be a hard pass...that thing eats Citadels like nobody's business)

The Bad : Another ship with over the top stats that will go through yet another Developer hellhole to make itself balanced...and considering the "Naval Treaty 2019" WG has established recently(after the GC thingy), no ship has come out even half decent(Alaska being the only exception).

The Ugly Potential Azuma 3.0 ?! I hope its not. Not to mention currency choice and inflation...

Anyway, I'll just sit back and relax and wait for another shitstorm!:cap_haloween:

 

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22 hours ago, humusz said:

Meh, Azuma supposed to be 380mm too

You mean 356? Again, that is some BB design, not cruiser. Good T7 BB even.

 

20 hours ago, mr_glitchy_R said:

But so many models I found in the internet doesn't have torps. But WG will add them anyway.

Depends on the version I guess. It doesn't hurt if she has or doesn't have torps.

 

20 hours ago, _TAMAL_ said:

The Bad : Another ship with over the top stats that will go through yet another Developer hellhole to make itself balanced...and considering the "Naval Treaty 2019" WG has established recently(after the GC thingy), no ship has come out even half decent(Alaska being the only exception).

Pobeda/Slava? The entire Russian BB line? :Smile_hiding:

If it's German, it will not have over-the-top stats. More like completely mediocre or underpowered and gets obsolete fast. It's a fact.

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7 hours ago, Paladinum said:

You mean 356? Again, that is some BB design, not cruiser. Good T7 BB even.

ah yeah, its 14.5 Inch  45 cal. so its like 368mm. its an development from 1910 Kongo, Fuso and, Ise class gun.

You say its a BB design ? well, at some point during the development B-65B design was stated to replaced Kongo Class as Battlecruiser/Fast Battleship Flootila

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8 hours ago, Paladinum said:

Pobeda/Slava? The entire Russian BB line? :Smile_hiding:

If it's German, it will not have over-the-top stats. More like completely mediocre or underpowered and gets obsolete fast. It's a fact.

Over the top in a sense that it needs to be adjusted quite a bit to fit in a certain tier. O - Class were planned to have 380mm guns. Those guns can overmatch most cruiser bow even at T10. On the flipside, its RoF will be pitiful by default. So, if WeeGee doesnt come up with a reasonable solution to these basic issues, the ship wont fit into the meta.

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17 hours ago, humusz said:

You say its a BB design ? well, at some point during the development B-65B design was stated to replaced Kongo Class as Battlecruiser/Fast Battleship Flootila

More reasons for that design to NOT be a cruiser. 3x3 356 with possible sub-30s reload is overkill for a "cruiser", don't you think?

 

16 hours ago, _TAMAL_ said:

Over the top in a sense that it needs to be adjusted quite a bit to fit in a certain tier. O - Class were planned to have 380mm guns. Those guns can overmatch most cruiser bow even at T10. On the flipside, its RoF will be pitiful by default. So, if WeeGee doesnt come up with a reasonable solution to these basic issues, the ship wont fit into the meta.

20s reload, US CA dispersion please :Smile_trollface:

 

(even with initial testing stats, German and Japanese ships are fated to have at most mediocre stats, it's a fact :Smile_hiding:)

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3 hours ago, Paladinum said:

More reasons for that design to NOT be a cruiser. 3x3 356 with possible sub-30s reload is overkill for a "cruiser", don't you think?

hmm... not realy I think

its  14.5 Inch  /45 cal Gun. the key was this - /45 cal -. it indicate the gun was low velocity which unlike /61 cal on stalingrad which indicate the gun barrel was Longer compared to caliber thus point at higher muzzle velocity design.

it would means while it very large Caliber for a Cruiser, its not "railgun" quality. its caliber indicate it behave closer to North Carolina gun - but with smaller caliber.  (that mean it also slower muzzle velocity than Azuma and alaska which is /50 )

 

Since the ship itself if we bassed on Azuma,  which basicly coated in tin can armor.  forcing long range gameplay, but counterbalanced by the low velocity gun that would make it harder to land shell at long range - but if it land it punishing, (with usual WG balancing antic where Low velocity gun have better vertical dispersion), its Challanging gunnery prob gonna give subpar experience for most player,  and far from overkill IMO. since unlike NC that can play at mid range, Azuma will melt. - so from gameplay standpoint I think its actualy kinda weak haha

 

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14 hours ago, humusz said:

Since the ship itself if we bassed on Azuma,  which basicly coated in tin can armor.  forcing long range gameplay, but counterbalanced by the low velocity gun that would make it harder to land shell at long range - but if it land it punishing, (with usual WG balancing antic where Low velocity gun have better vertical dispersion), its Challanging gunnery prob gonna give subpar experience for most player,  and far from overkill IMO. since unlike NC that can play at mid range, Azuma will melt.

So you are saying that because WG may be able to balance it, it's okay to have a ship with 356 mm guns sailing around as a "cruiser"? I know WG always cross the line with "balance" as a justification, but holy balls there should be a limit somewhere, like "ships with guns larger than 310 mm cannot be a cruiser in-game".

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19 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

So you are saying that because WG may be able to balance it, it's okay to have a ship with 356 mm guns sailing around as a "cruiser"? I know WG always cross the line with "balance" as a justification, but holy balls there should be a limit somewhere, like "ships with guns larger than 310 mm cannot be a cruiser in-game".

yep, WG alowed Some battleship to be more stealthy and faster than Cruiser, and in WW2 the definition was growing blurred and caliber grow in size

the gun was for me is the least of my worries, as closer to the popular classic concept of battlecruiser.

 

beside  when you see. Tier to Tier, Nation to Nation, there 18 inch pinnacle of IJN Battleship Yamato and there 14 inch B-65B Cruiser. there still sharp distinction on Their Naval Strategm plain to see - as a Prime BB design,  a Prime Cruiser Killer design, and Prime Escort combatant ( Zao )

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13 hours ago, humusz said:

the gun was for me is the least of my worries, as closer to the popular classic concept of battlecruiser.

I'm being very particular about using the word "battlecruiser" because the concept of "battlecruiser" is dumb and full of loop holes to begin with. Battlecruisers are never cruisers, not in firepower at least. And B-65 with 356 mm is more NC and less Azuma.

That's all I want to say. I don't want to argue about it.

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5 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

I'm being very particular about using the word "battlecruiser" because the concept of "battlecruiser" is dumb and full of loop holes to begin with. Battlecruisers are never cruisers, not in firepower at least. And B-65 with 356 mm is more NC and less Azuma.

That's all I want to say. I don't want to argue about it.

no worries, the way I see it was the peak of IJN naval design betwen cruiser and Battleship have wide enough gap 8-12-14-18 (it paced nicely too)

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23 hours ago, humusz said:

no worries, the way I see it was the peak of IJN naval design betwen cruiser and Battleship have wide enough gap 8-12-14-18 (it paced nicely too)

That, to me, sounds and looks like a 2nd BB line for the IJN instead... :Smile_hiding:

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