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us senator's bill propose ban on loot boxes.

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Won't happen in the US. Big business has far too much influence

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Just watched the very same video. I doubt nothing will really change, at best the concept of loot boxes will be revamped into something else. Way too lucrative to be banned altogether.

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the corrupt trying to ban the corrupt . good luck with that !

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But this game is Russian and we're in Asia.

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4 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

But this game is Russian and we're in Asia.

Ye-es, but the game is standardized for all regions (except China I think, right?) so it must be comply with the law in all regions. If both the US and EU bring in such legislation, then SEA version of the game would naturally also have to comply.

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2 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

But this game is Russian and we're in Asia.

According to a few other threads, the Koreans are annoyed because WG stopped selling loot boxes in Korea because of a new local law, which is not really a law but more self regulating, that any loot box had to show the exact percentage chance of getting the items.

Even though they were not legally obliged to, WG decided to pull the loot boxes from the store, upsetting the players there who then missed out on a lot of the early access ships.

I’m probably safe in Australia for the moment. But depending on what happens in US, we would probably eventually put something similar in place. I think our government is currently more concerned over pokies and sports betting.

That said, any laws that pass in the US would likely affect us, because as one of the major servers, any changes made there would probably be global.

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1 minute ago, Rina_Pon said:

Ye-es, but the game is standardized for all regions (except China I think, right?) so it must be comply with the law in all regions. If both the US and EU bring in such legislation, then SEA version of the game would naturally also have to comply.

 

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That said, any laws that pass in the US would likely affect us, because as one of the major servers, any changes made there would probably be global.

There is no reason to implement loot boxes (or any randomized reward "containers") to be bought with real money in the first place. I'd rather see companies sell things individually so players can buy what they choose without pulling hair because of something similar to gambling. If they have randomized reward containers for in-game earnable currencies (like the Tokens going on right now), that's fine by me. Or some randomized reward containers for buying individual things (like buying a premium ship getting you a SC).

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5 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

 

There is no reason to implement loot boxes (or any randomized reward "containers") to be bought with real money in the first place. I'd rather see companies sell things individually so players can buy what they choose without pulling hair because of something similar to gambling. If they have randomized reward containers for in-game earnable currencies (like the Tokens going on right now), that's fine by me. Or some randomized reward containers for buying individual things (like buying a premium ship getting you a SC).

Agreed. I don’t buy loot boxes often, too much random chance. It’s something they should have stopped doing long ago.

 The collection boxes are fine, as you always have an even chance, and the way collections work you can always buy the items with duplicates.

But when it comes to ships, why not just have the missions for sale? Or are they afraid that everyone with a credit card will go out and buy it and we will have a glut of high tier ships? (Which already happens)

I liked how they did the UK CVs. You had to spend money if you wanted implacable, but the others you could earn in game with enough work. 

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1 hour ago, Paladinum said:

There is no reason to implement loot boxes (or any randomized reward "containers") to be bought with real money in the first place.

Sure there is a reason: money. Lootboxes provide better returns than straight purchases.

And there's a dark side to it: players like myself who don't buy lootboxes benefit from players who do because their addiction effectively subsidizes the cost of the game for the rest of us.

If it wasn't clear already, I am 100% behind their removal from video games. Even if that means the cost of those games to me increases.

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SHOW ME THE MONEY!

ahem

I mean...

SHOW ME THE PERCENTAGES!

Gambling schmambling.

A fool and his money are soon parted.

Just show me the chances, that's all I want, so this fool can be parted with his money!

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1 hour ago, Max_Battle said:

SHOW ME THE MONEY!

ahem

I mean...

SHOW ME THE PERCENTAGES!

Gambling schmambling.

A fool and his money are soon parted.

Just show me the chances, that's all I want, so this fool can be parted with his money!

😛

 

doubt they would. remember korea has law that oblige company to show the % chance for lootbox. but they never comply and only pull out.

they choose lost income there rather than revealing the chance. it so dubious.

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Manipulative Gambling Psychology 101.

Say you like a certain chocolate bar. Say its a Mars Bar.

If I say to you, "Go look in the fridge, I put a Mars Bar in there for you," then your brain produces a certain amount of natural chemicals that stimulate your sense of joyful anticipation and expected good thing.

It tends to bypass your rational thoughts of whether or not a sugary chocolate bar is good for you and tends to lean you into an emotional state by the anticipation chemicals your naturally create.

Studies show that if I instead say to you, "Go look in the fridge, there is a 50% chance I put a Mars Bar in there for you." your brain produces even more of these chemicals that tend to bypass your rational thought and kick you into an emotional state with heightened anticipation.

As the chance of reward decreases, your chemically driven anticipation reaction increases which has the effect of removing you even further from a rational state and thus you become more easily emotionally manipulated.

So...

Let's say you like a certain ship. Say it's a Missouri... 

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In all honestly, this bill is specifically targeting a particularly hated American publisher for their despicable practices. **cough**cough**EA**cough**cough**

WG's crates to me are in a grey area. For one, most of the ships that you get in the containers can be purchased outright rather than obtaining through the containers, with a few excepts being those ships that have been permanently removed from sale for one reason or another. The value of the WG containers vary from time to time, but from my experience and calculations (particularly for the Christmas ones), the overall value of the items you get from the containers is much greater than if you purchased the items separately. In particular, the dragon flags.

Technically, the cost to make dragon flags is ZERO, but their value in improving the economics of your ships is huge. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe at the moment, you can't buy the dragon flags and they are only obtainable as drops. Unless you are fishing for the dragon flags and special camo or a particular limited currency, it is more viable to outright purchase the ship. 

On the other hand, the AL collaboration is basically price gouging the AL player base. Fortunately, I have no interest in getting another rebranded Kagero.

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