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Hi WG Dev team,

Good day to you all, I would like to propose branch lines for the British tech tree.

Please have a look and consider this suggestion.
 

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BB will have 3 or 4 branch (depend if WG will implement G3 battlecruisers)
            Branch 1 -> Main Branch (Already in the game)
            Branch 2 -> Battlecruiser
            Branch 3 -> Forward Facing BB
            Branch 4 -> Forward Facing CC

DD will have 2 branch. The Main line and the "Intended Armament" branch

CA/CL will have 3 branch.
            CL branch -> Already implemented
            CA branch -> Questionable to implement due to her main armament is of heavy cruiser, but her armor is light cruiser. You could citadel them with no problem. Though armament can be compensated to fire every 10 sec. AP rounds only?
            CLAA branch -> Britain's answer to Atlanta, but less 3 turrets or 6 guns.

 

Today I'll start in the reverse order. I'll start from the destroyer aka "loliboats"

Original DD line is untouched and will only explain the branch line or the "intended armament branch"

T9 Jutland (133 mm / 5.25 in )

Note: She is Jutland "Battle Class" in all aspect, except, instead of the puny 113 mm (4.5 in), she will be armed with 133 mm (5.25 in), which was the original armament for this ship. But due to shortage of the weapon, the British opt for the 113 mm (4.5 in).
 

T10 Daring (133 mm / 5.25 in)

Note: She is Daring "Daring Class" in all aspect, except, instead of the puny 113 mm (4.5 in), she will be armed with 133 mm (5.25 in), which was the original armament for this ship. But due to shortage of the weapon, the British opt for the 113 mm (4.5 in).


Additional note to WG: The 113 mm (4.5 in) is now the worse performing guns in terms of penetration. Even with Inertia fuse armed, most ships cannot be penetrated. Would request to update the penetration value of the 113 mm. The current value makes the guns useless and only tickles enemy ships. Thanks

Some british destoyers were given to their commonwealth allies. See Commonwealth of Nations Destroyer Tech Tree Suggestion for more details.


Next is Cruisers. Will update in the following days.

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Cruisers

No changes to the british light cruisers. Want to propose by adding British heavy cruisers and AA Cruisers (Check US Tech tree suggestion aswell. Have added AA Cruisers in the tech tree)

Personal Thoughts:
First: Looking at British heavy cruisers, their armor is paper thin, like light cruiser armor thin. The only reason why they were called heavy cruisers is because of their 203mm (8in) main armament. (German pocket battleship will also face the same issues. See German Tech Tree Suggestion) Expect to be citadelled alot.
    It can be negated by giving british heavy cruisers with both smoke screen and float plane option to increase survivability in the battlefield. (US light cruiser got both AA defence and float plane to help increase their survivability due to their light armament)

Second: British cruiser line is only armed with AP, should the heavy cruiser and AA cruiser be also armed with AP only ammunition for the standard tech tree and only the premiums will get HE?
    OR will the devs arm all british cruisers with HE (including the proposed heavy cruiser and AA cruiser)?

Those are my current concern if WG plans to introduce the British heavy cruisers. They may have plans and countermeasures already planned or placed, but we will see once or if they implement British heavy cruisers

OK now I have stated my concerns lets proceed to tech tree suggestion:


AA Cruisers
T7 Dido

Original configuration:
8 - 133 mm (5.25 in) dual purpose guns (4 × 2)
1 - 100 mm (4 in) anti-aircraft gun (1 x 2)
or
10 - 133 mm (5.25 in) dual purpose guns (5 × 2)

12 - 40 mm 2-pounder pom-pom guns (3 × 4)
8 - 12.7 mm (0.5 in) Vickers machine guns (2 × 4)
6 - 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes (2 × 3)

Optional Hull A:
8 - 113 mm (4.5 in) dual purpose guns (4 × 2)
1 - 100 mm (4 in) anti-aircraft gun (1 x 2)
or
10 - 113 mm (4.5in) dual purpose guns (5 × 2)

12 - 40 mm 2-pounder pom-pom guns (3 × 4)
8 - 12.7 mm (0.5 in) Vickers machine guns (2 × 4)
6 - 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes (2 × 3)

Note: Some Dido's were armed with 113 mm (4.5 in). Should they start with 113 mm (4.5 in) then upgrade to 133 mm (5.25 in) in the next hull?
Note: Will this reduced armament impact gameplay? Will they be armed with AP only?
Note: Shes an AA cruiser like Atlanta


T8 Euryalus

Armament
10 - 133 mm (5.25 in) dual purpose guns (5 × 2)
12 - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors AA guns (3 × 4)
10 - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlikon AA guns (10 × 1)
6 - 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes (2 × 3)

Note: Dido's maximum armament
Note: Shes an AA cruiser like Atlanta


T9 "Minotaur Dido"

Armament:
10 - 133 mm (5.25 in) dual purpose guns (5 × 2)
16 - 76.2 mm (3 in) AA guns (8 x 2)
20 - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlikon AA guns (10 × 2)
16 - 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes (4 × 4)

Note: Minotaur hull, Dido guns
Note: Merges to Minotaur at T10. Smae as US AA Cruiser Tech Tree (See Us Tech Tree suggestion)


Heavy Cruiser
T5 Hawkins

Armament:
7 - 191 mm (7.5 in)/45 guns (7 x 1)
3 - 102 mm QF 4-inch guns (3 x 1)
16 - 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes (4 x 4)

Note: Plays like the Emerald but with begger guns.
Note: Also early access to heavy cruisers. Others being Japan and France.


T6 York

Armament:
6 - 203 mm (8 in)/50 guns (3 x 2)
4 - 102 mm (4 in)/45 guns (4 x 1)
8 - 12.7 mm (0.5 in) Vickers machine guns (2 x 4)
6 - 533 mm (21 in) torpedo torpedoes (2 x 3)

Note: Exeter's sister.
Note: Torpedo armament is less compared to previous tier T5 Hawkins
Note: 6 - 203 mm (8 in) guns, Same as Aoba

T7 Kent

Armament:
8 - 203 mm (8 in)/50 guns (4 x 2)
4 - 102 mm (4 in)/45 guns (4 x 1)
8 - 40 mm 2-pounder pom-pom guns (2 × 4)
8 - 533 mm (21 in) torpedo torpedoes (2 x 4)

Note: Although Kent was built earlier than the York, the York and Exeter is inferior vs the Kent in terms of both firepower and armor, hence York and Exeter cannot be put in higher tier vs the Kent.
Note: Spanish cruisers Canarias and Baleares of the Canarias class cruisers were based in the Kent / Norfolk Class cruisers. Possible Spanish Cruiser premium?


T8 Norfolk

Armament:
8 - 203 mm (8 in)/50 guns (4 x 2)
8 - 102 mm (4 in)/45 guns (4 x 2)
16 - 40 mm 2-pounder pom-pom guns (2 × 😎
16 - 533 mm (21 in) torpedo torpedoes (4 x 4)

Note: Last minute change. Norfolk will be in the tech tree representing T8, London will be a premium T8.
Note: Spanish cruisers Canarias and Baleares of the Canarias class cruisers were based in the Kent / Norfolk Class cruisers. Possible Spanish Cruiser premium?


T8 London (Premium)

Armament:
8 - 203 mm (8 in)/50 guns (4 x 2)
4 - 102 mm (4 in)/45 guns (4 x 1)
8 - 40 mm 2-pounder pom-pom guns (2 × 4)
8 - 533 mm (21 in) torpedo torpedoes (2 x 4)

Note: Last minute change. Norfolk will be in the tech tree, London will be a premium.
Note: Can be mistaken as Edinbourgh. She was constructed differently from her sisters and cousins (Kent and Norfolk)


T9 "1939 Program"

Armament:
? - 203 mm (8 in)/50 guns or 233 mm (9.2 in)/50 guns
? - 113 mm (4.5 in)/45 guns
? - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors guns
? - 533 mm (21 in) torpedo torpedoes

Note: There are a lot of variants for this ship.
Source: Friedman, Norman. British Cruisers: Two World Wars and After
Source: WOWS EU Forum - British Heavy Cruiser Design Notes by (HMS_Formidable)


T10 ????

Armament:
? - 203 mm (8 in)/50 guns or 233 mm (9.2 in)/50 guns
? - 76.2 mm (3in)/70 guns
? - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors guns
? - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlkon guns
? - 533 mm (21 in) torpedo torpedoes

Note: It is uncertain if UK will remain with 203mm (8 in) guns or opted to a bigger caliber/calibre with the 233 mm (9.2 in).
Note: It is uncertain if UK will build it with 2 gun turret, 3 gun turret, or 4 gun turret (KGV).
Note: AA is comparable to T10 Minotaur. It is unknown how many will be put in to this T10 ship.


Large Cruiser
T9 "British Alaska"

Armament:
? - 302 mm (12 in)/?? guns
? - AA guns
? - 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes (if any)

Note: UK also attempted to make their own version of Alaska. She will be the 4th ship of such type (Alaksa [US], Azuma [JP], Kronshtadt [RU]), and 7th if you consider the Dunkerque [FR], Scharnhorst [DE], and Andrea Doria [IT] as a Cruiser rather than a Battleship.
Just a Thought: Would it be possible if the following 7 ships can interchange their tier depending on their ship role. (Example T7 as a battleship but becomes T9 as a cruiser and Vice versa) Alaksa [US], Azuma [JP], Kronshtadt [RU/SU], Dunkerque [FR], Scharnhorst [DE], Andrea Doria [IT], and "British Alaska" [GB]



Some british cruiser were given to their commonwealth allies. See Commonwealth of Nations Destroyer Tech Tree Suggestion for more details. (Commonwealth Cruisers and Battleships will come as premims though.)


Next is Battleships. Will update in the following days.

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Battleships
 

No change on the original battleship tech tree. Only adding 2 (or 3) branches in the Battleship category. The Battlecruisers and Forward facing guns battleships (French Style)
 

Battlecruisers main goal is speed. However attaining this goal means sacrifices. (Number of guns or Gun Calibre/Caliber or Armor)
British battlecruisers sacrificed Number of guns and/or Armor to attain that speed. Evident in HMS Renown and HMS Hood.
At T8 to T10 however, with advancements in technology, Armor is thickened without sacrificing number of guns while maintaining 30 to 32 knots speed.
 

I will start the battlecruiser line at T5. Though I can add the Invincible class and the Indefatigable class as T4, 1 of the 2 wing turrets will not be able to fire because of the superstructure blocking 1 of the 2 guns. Unless you show your entire belly to the enemy and get citadelled.
If you have played the Kaiser, then you know the pain and suffering of that playstyle.
Also while I can add the Princess Royal (Lion class battlecruiser. Lion is already used as T9 Battleship) or the Queen Mary as T4, their turret traverse speed is extremely slow and 1 turret (2 guns) less than the Orion, coupled with a thin armor, you may not survive a prolonged battle.
If you have played the Orion or Iron Duke, you know the pain and suffering of their slow turret traverse speed. (72s for 180 degrees)



Battlecruiser Branch
 

T5 Tiger

Armament:
8 - 343 mm (13.5 in)/45 guns (4 x 2)
12 -  152 mm (6 in)/45 guns (12 x 1)
2 - 76mm (3 in)/45 AA guns (2 x 1) More AA needed please

Note: Kongou's design inspired her. She was suppose to look like Princess Royal or Queen Mary, but when the British designed Kongou and found her design more uperior, they altered Tiger to look like Kongou.
Note: Due to kongou's design insperation, she plays like Kongou. Same tier.
Note: German Battlecruiser Derfflinger shares this design, playstyle and tier. (See German Tech Tree Suggestion)


T6 Renown (1939)

Armament:
6 - 381 mm (15 in)/42 guns (3 x 2)
20 - 113 mm (4.5 in)/45 DP guns (10 x 2)
32 - 40 mm 2-pdr AA guns (4 x 1)
?? - 20 mm

Note: Renown will represent her 1939 upgrade like QE at T6.
Note: The major difference between her counter part, the German Mackensen Class, is that Renown carries 6 - 381 mm (15 in)/42 guns, while Mackensen carries 8 - 350 mm (13.8 in)/45 guns at T6.


T7 Anson or Howe (Hood Class 1940)

Armament
8 - 381 mm (15 in)/42 guns guns (4 x 2)
20 - 113 mm (4.5 in)/45 DP guns (10 x 2) or 20 - 133 mm (5.25 in)/50 DP guns (10 x 2)
32 - 40 mm 2-pdr AA guns (4 x 1)
?? - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlkon guns

Note: Anson or Howe will represent Hood's 1940 upgrade if Hood did not sank with her battle with Bismarck. The Queen Ann's Mansion superstructure. QE's secondaries of 113 mm (4 in) or KGV's secondaries of 133 mm (5.25 in). As well as thicker armor.
Note: Implemented, Anson or Howe not only compliment/counter German battlecruiser Ersatz Yorck at T7 (See German Tech Tree Suggestion), but also compliment/counter US battlecruisers Constellation AND Constitution (Both Lexington class battlecruisers) at T7 (See US Tech Tree Suggestion). Planned and designed at almost the same year (Late 1918 to early 1920).

Historical Note: If Hood got her 1940 upgrade before battleing Bismarck, she "might" have survived her duel with Bismarck. British Admiralty knows Hood's weakness is her thin armor.


T8 Beatty or Jollice (Vanguard Class)

Armament:
8 - 381 mm (15 in)/42 guns (4 x 2) possible to upgrade to 381 mm (15 in)/45 guns
18 or 20 - 133 mm (5.25 in)/50 DP guns (8 x 2 or10 x 2)
32 - 40 mm 2-pdr AA guns (4 x 1)
?? - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors guns
?? - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlkon guns

Note: She is vanguard in many aspects, but with gun upgradeable to make her competitive during high tier battles.
Note: Possible to upgrade her guns from 381 mm (15 in)/42 guns to 381 mm (15 in)/ 45 guns found in the Monarch for better penetration.


T9 King Edward VII

Armament: Design 1
8 - 381 mm (15 in)/45 guns (4 x 2) possible to upgrade to 406 mm (16 in)/45 or 419 mm (16.5 in)/45
18 or 20 - 133 mm (5.25 in)/50 DP guns (8 x 2 or 10 x 2)
32 - 40 mm 2-pdr AA guns (4 x 1)
?? - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors guns
?? - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlkon guns

Note: In this design, she is like the German O Class (Double), 2 guns per turret, 4 turrets.
Note: T9 and T10 British battlecruiser sacrifice armor to attain speeds of 30 to 32 knots.

Armament: Design 2
9 - 381 mm (15 in)/45 guns (3 x 3) possible to upgrade to 406 mm (16 in)/45  or 419 mm (16.5 in)/45
18 or 20 - 133 mm (5.25 in)/50 DP guns (8 x 2 or 10 x 2)
32 - 40 mm 2-pdr AA guns (4 x 1)
?? - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors guns
?? - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlkon guns

Note: In this design, her gun arrangement is more like of Lion class while still acheiving 30 to 32 knot speed.
Note: T9 and T10 British battlecruiser sacrifice armor to attain speeds of 30 to 32 knots.


T10 Thunderer

Armament:
12 - 381 mm (15 in)/45 guns (4 x 2) possible to upgrade to 406 mm (16 in)/45 or 419 mm (16.5 in)/45
18 or 20 - 133 mm (5.25 in)/50 DP guns (8 x 2 or10 x 2)
32 - 40 mm 2-pdr AA guns (4 x 1)
?? - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors guns
?? - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlkon guns

Note: In this design, she is like the German O Class (Triple), 3 guns per turret, 4 turrets.
Note: T9 and T10 British battlecruiser sacrifice armor to attain speeds of 30 to 32 knots.



Forward Guns Battleships Branch


T8 Rodney 1944

Armament:
9 - 406 mm (16 in)/45 guns (3 x 3)
12 - 152 mm (6 in)/50 guns (6 x 2)
6 - 120 mm (4.7 in)/40 AA guns (6 x 1)
48 - 40 mm 2 pdr AA guns (6 x 1)
?? - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors guns
?? - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlikon guns
2 - 622 mm (24.5 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 1)

Note: Like Gneisenau 1944, Rodney 1944 also has a planned modernization in the USA. Hence she can fight in T8 battles.
Note: Rodney's design code is O3. There are other designs coded out there made by the British.
Note: These ships carry torpedo.


T9 N3 Variant 1 (Battleship) G3 Variant 1 (Battlecruiser)

Armament: (G3)
9 - 381 mm (15 in)/45 guns (3 x 3) upgradeable to 9 - 406 mm (16 in)/45 guns (3 x 3)

Armament: (N3)
9 - 406 mm (16 in)/45 guns (3 x 3) upgradeable to 9 - 419 mm (16.5 in)/45 guns (3 x 3)


Armament: (Secondaries and AA)
16 - 152 mm (6 in)/50 guns (8 x 2)
6 - 120 mm (4.7 in)/40 AA guns (6 x 1)
32 - 40 mm 2 pdr AA guns (4 x 1)
?? - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors guns
?? - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlikon guns
2 - 622 mm (24.5 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 1)

Note as Battlecruiser (G3): Gets smaller guns and thinner armor, but speed is 32 knots and longer hull.
Note as Battleship (N3): Gets bigger guns and thicker armor, but speed is 25 knots and shorter hull.
Note as Battleship (N3): Made the guns smaller to be competitive at T9

Note: These ships carry torpedo.


T10 N3 Variant 2 (Battleship) G3 Variant 2 (Battlecruiser)

Armament: (G3)
12 - 406 mm (16 in)/45 guns (4 x 3) upgradeable to 12 - 419 mm (16.5 in)/45 guns (4 x 3)

Armament: (N3)
12 - 419 mm (16 in)/45 guns (4 x 3) upgradeable to 8 - 457 mm (18 in)/45 guns (4 x 2)

Armament: (Secondaries and AA)
16 - 152 mm (6 in)/50 guns (8 x 2)
6 - 120 mm (4.7 in)/40 AA guns (6 x 1)
32 - 40 mm 2 pdr AA guns (4 x 1)
?? - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors guns
?? - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlikon guns
2 - 622 mm (24.5 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 1)

Note as Battlecruiser (G3): Gets smaller guns and thinner armor, but speed is 32 knots and longer hull.
Note as Battleship (N3): Gets bigger guns and thicker armor, but speed is 25 knots and shorter hull.
Note as Battleship (N3): Made the 457mm guns lesser to be competitive at T10

Note: These ships carry torpedo.

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Premium Battleships

T5 HMS Agincourt

Armament:
14 - 305 mm (12 in)/45 guns (7 x 2)
20 - 152 mm (6 in)/50 guns (20 x 1)
10 - 76 mm (3 in)/45 AA guns (10 x 1)
4 - 47 mm (1.9 in)/40 AA guns (4 x 1)

Note: 14 - 305 mm (12 in) guns for T5. The most guns at T5 but small calibre/caliber at T5.
Note: Originally built for Brazil but WW1 came and the UK bought her back from Brazil to take part in WW1 naval battles.

Note: Like Boise and Nueve de Julio, she may represent 2 countries. See Pan-American Destroyer Tech Tree suggestion.


T5 HMS Canada

Armament:
10 - 356 mm (14 in)/45 guns (5 x 2)
16 - 152 mm (6 in)/50 guns (16 x 1)
8 - 76 mm (3 in)/45 AA guns (8 x 1)
4 - 47 mm (1.9 in)/40 AA guns (4 x 1)

Note: 356 mm (14 in)/45 version of Iron Duke at T5.
Note: Originally built for Chile but WW1 came and the UK bought her back from Chile to take part in WW1 naval battles.

Note: Like Boise and Nueve de Julio, she may represent 2 countries. See Pan-American Destroyer Tech Tree suggestion.


T5 Revenge Class

Armament:
8 - 381 mm (15 in)/42 guns (4 x 2)
14 - 152 mm (6 in)/50 guns (14 x 1)
8 - 76 mm (3 in)/45 AA guns (8 x 1)
4 - 47 mm (1.9 in)/40 AA guns (4 x 1)

Note: The only thing to fear about this BB at T5 is her main guns. Her speed is not impressive (21 knots), her AA is weak, turret traverse is slow (72 secs at 180 degrees), she did not get substantial modernization like QE class, hence she sits well at T5.
Note: Guns are similar to QE. Good big guns but slow traverse speed.

 

I know some of the suggested ships may not make it as WG will put other ships that were not available in the books or internet, but I am sure they are working on to complete the French tech tree.


And here ends the suggestions details. Please let me know if I have missed any ship details in the suggestion list. Or if you feel that some ships are not in the right tier, please let me know.
And please WG, please consider this request. Thank you.

Edited by S0und_Theif

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