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False Advertising? Graf Zeppelin needs her Stukas, Wake up WG!

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i found this on the WoWs Facebook Page

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In Game Bombers:

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In Game with inaccurate Aircraft:

 

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Its disappointing, no Stukas or whatsoever. Seriously, WG? Get your stuff/things right, replace Ta-152s with Accurate Ju-87 Stukas, this is False Advertising. :Smile_facepalm:

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The entire point of the GZ is it has very fast TB's and DB's.  If you gave it Stukas you'd have to redesign the ship entirely, given that one of the things these planes were renowned for were their complete lack of speed.

Not only that, but at the period of the war that the GZ would have been put into service the Stukas would have been obsolete for years.  Although something like Fw190F's would seem a more logical choice, the mid-altitude version of the Ta152 isn't beyond the realms of possibility, and seems pretty reasonable.

Also, Ta152's are some of the best looking planes of the era (totally subjective of course!), and I'd much rather look at them than Stukas (some of the least attractive, albeit iconic, planes of the era) while playing the GZ.

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29 minutes ago, Moggytwo said:

The entire point of the GZ is it has very fast TB's and DB's.  If you gave it Stukas you'd have to redesign the ship entirely, given that one of the things these planes were renowned for were their complete lack of speed.

Not only that, but at the period of the war that the GZ would have been put into service the Stukas would have been obsolete for years.  Although something like Fw190F's would seem a more logical choice, the mid-altitude version of the Ta152 isn't beyond the realms of possibility, and seems pretty reasonable.

Also, Ta152's are some of the best looking planes of the era (totally subjective of course!), and I'd much rather look at them than Stukas (some of the least attractive, albeit iconic, planes of the era) while playing the GZ.

Stuka may be obsoleted, but it role was later on taken over mostly by Ju-88. which did served as an effective dive and torpedo bomber.

Ta-152 had the airframe of a high level agile interceptor. the strongest configuration was equipped with 30mm cannon but it was optimized for anti-air operations

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48 minutes ago, tsuenwan said:

Ta-152 had the airframe of a high level agile interceptor. the strongest configuration was equipped with 30mm cannon but it was optimized for anti-air operations

Ta152H was a high level interceptor, the ones on the GZ are the Ta152C, with a different wing and engine designed for mid-altitude operations.  Given there were plenty of Fw190's optimised for ground attack, and two of those variants were designed for torpedo bombing, then a Ta152C optimised for bombing and dropping torps is not a big stretch.

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43 minutes ago, Moggytwo said:

Ta152H was a high level interceptor, the ones on the GZ are the Ta152C, with a different wing and engine designed for mid-altitude operations.  Given there were plenty of Fw190's optimised for ground attack, and two of those variants were designed for torpedo bombing, then a Ta152C optimised for bombing and dropping torps is not a big stretch.

H had the highest operation attitude but C is heavier in firepower: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Ta_152

" The C model was designed to operate at lower altitudes than the H-model with the same armament package, while adding two more of the MG 151/20 cannons, likewise synchronized as these additional autocannon for the C-model were mounted just ahead of the windscreen, and above the engine's upper rear crankcase. The Ta 152C could destroy the heaviest enemy bombers with a short burst but the added weight decreased speed and rate of turn."

and, regarding Graf Zepplin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_aircraft_carrier_Graf_Zeppelin

" The ship's primary offensive power would have been its aircraft complement. Graf Zeppelin would have carried 42 aircraft as designed: 12 navalized Junkers Ju 87 "Stuka" dive bombers, 10 Messerschmitt Bf 109 fighters, and 20 Fieseler Fi 167 torpedo bombers.[3] Later during the construction process, the aerial complement was reworked to consist of thirty Ju 87s and twelve Bf 109s, and the Fi 167s were removed altogether. "

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1 minute ago, tsuenwan said:

Later during the construction process, the aerial complement was reworked to consist of thirty Ju 87s and twelve Bf 109s, and the Fi 167s were removed altogether.

That's all well and good, but my point is that given that if GZ had actually been put into service it would have been in late 43, or early 44, then Ju87's would have been completely obsolete by then, and it would actually have been very unlikely for them to use these aircraft.  The Fw190F had two variants of torpedo bombers as well as many different conventional bomber configurations, and would have been a far more likely candidate for the offensive force, especially given it's nice wide undercarriage would have been quite good for CV operations.  It's not a huge stretch to say that a TB and DB variant of the normal wing Ta152C model would have been a potential follow on aircraft (these aircraft were intended to replace the Fw190 after all) that could have seen use on the GZ.

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49 minutes ago, Moggytwo said:

That's all well and good, but my point is that given that if GZ had actually been put into service it would have been in late 43, or early 44, then Ju87's would have been completely obsolete by then, and it would actually have been very unlikely for them to use these aircraft.  The Fw190F had two variants of torpedo bombers as well as many different conventional bomber configurations, and would have been a far more likely candidate for the offensive force, especially given it's nice wide undercarriage would have been quite good for CV operations.  It's not a huge stretch to say that a TB and DB variant of the normal wing Ta152C model would have been a potential follow on aircraft (these aircraft were intended to replace the Fw190 after all) that could have seen use on the GZ.

FW190 had variant, with very different or even opposite operation characteristics. in this Case the different between model A and model D

Te152 was based on FW190D long nose narrow wing variant. both 152 and 190D were more optimized for mid-high altitude fighter operation.  with acceptable attacker capability

The torpedo version of FW190F/U prototype was developed  based on A-9  variant in 1943,  and it used the Ta152 tail fin.

Please note for FW190 the A was optimized for low-mid altitude operation while D was more optimized for high altitude.  And those FW190 carried out the bomber role were mostly model originated from the A variant but not the long nose FW190D (hence all Ta152).

 

 

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