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The HMAS Melbourne (R21), laid down on 15 April 1943 and launched on 28 February 1945, before being commissioned by the Royal Australian Navy on 28 October 1955, is the the third and final conventional aircraft carrier in Australian service.

 

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She would make a great tier 8 premium aircraft carrier, especially taking into account one of the significant playerbases on the ASIA server. I'm sure plenty of Australians, including myself, would be happy to purchase a ship which represents our nation. In regards to crew training, she can serve to train British captains (once the RN tree is implemented), even though she flies the Australian flag. Think of it as something like the Ram II (Canadian tank) or Type 64 (Taiwanese tank) in WoT.

 

With the WoT development team taking forever for the Sentinel tank to be implemented (currently with no end in sight, even though the unskinned models and icon sprites are already complete since 2012), it's about time Australia gets some limelight.

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Seems interesting. From what i see it might have quite decent speed (Speed: 24 knots (44 km/h; 28 mph) .

Its Anti-Aircraft armament is interesting though :

  1955–1959:
25 × 40 mm Bofors anti-aircraft guns (6 twin mountings, 13 single mountings)
1959–1968:
21 × Bofors (6 twin, 9 single)
1969–1980:
12 × Bofors (4 twin, 4 single)
1980–1982:
4 × Bofors (4 single)

 

Currently , the Lexington class in game has the 2nd best in game AA gun rating(If I remember correctly) at 50, Carrying :

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So It's AA gun rating should be maybe around 30-40?

 

On another note , I wonder if WG would implement fixed "flight control" if they introduced that. For example , only being able to carry 1 Fighter Squadron and 1 Torpedo Bomber Squadron , or they would allow us to freely switch between types of "flight control", as in game we would have to research them and premium ships should not be able to research anything (fully elited).

 

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I think this ship will be in Royal Navy Tech tree

 

Majestic-class light aircraft carrier

 

"then, why this ship is premium?"

This ship is basically A modified Colossus class aircraft carrier incorporating improvements in flight deck design and habitability

Majestic and Colossus carriers were almost identical in hull design

so we can call it... Subclass

 

 

But this Aircraft Operated Jet?! Will they really add this ship?

*Hands Up*

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But this Aircraft Operated Jet?! Will they really add this ship?

*Hands Up*

 

Did a bit research on the Carrier's aviation group in it. I do agree this Carrier is entering the age of jet plane & helicopter by the late 1960s, but the carrier initially carries prop planes like Fairey Gannet, &Fairey Firefly. If I get this information right though.

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Will it come with a broken comms system? :)

 

It's history with HMAS Voyager made Voyager just that. History.

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It would be nice to see some Australian ships in the game. Perhaps not as a tech tree of it's own, but I think it would be nice to see a sub-class of ships, or even a 'small nations' tree, where you'd have a few Aussie ships, some Canadian, etc and so on. Would be a nice change.

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I agree. It'd be nice for Australian warships to have a presence, since they had a rather large presence during the war anyways. Couple that do come to mind are HMAS Melbourne and HMAS Sydney II but there are other australian ships that had just as big and fruitful wartime careers and all aussies will know the end fate of Sydney II and I think we'd all love to own her but that is my personal opinion. 

 

Infact unlike WoT where australian involvement is largely over looked I hope WGing take on Australian naval units and their contributions to the war effort and we see a bit more of them floating around the seas

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I agree. It'd be nice for Australian warships to have a presence, since they had a rather large presence during the war anyways.

 

Large presence?  'Big and fruitful wartime careers'?  

 

The Melbourne had no wartime career of any note.  None.  CV 'Sydney', by this criteria alone, would be a far better pick for a premium Australian CV.

 

The Melbourne can't work anyway without Venom's or A-4's in the game.  

 

I suppose you could equip it just with the Gannet AS-1 and run without fighters.

 

The CA Sydney, well, yeah it sank a few Italian DD's in fleet action and later went to the bottom with all hands after a 1v1 with an inferior vessel.  I often see it said that Sydney managed to sink the Kormoran in that engagement too - which is incorrect - the Kormoran scuttled rather than be captured.

 

The 'other' Sydney (WWI), failed to take out a dirigible, sunk an inferior German light cruiser (Emden) - which ultimately got the last laugh anyway.

 

Canberra - disabled almost immediately in it's first serious engagement (Savo), scuttled, contributed nothing.

 

Australia (battlecruiser) - late to every fight - always with a novel excuse - did more damage to NZ than anyone else - contributed nothing

 

The 'other' Australia (County class CA), saw plenty of action for sure, copped a pasting from kamikaze and could deliver a pretty mean shore bombardment.

 

Some interesting stuff in there but, at the end of the day, they are just RN ships and, well, not that noteworthy.

 

My suggestion for an appropriate Aussie premium would be HMAS Arunta.  Tribal-class, modified Australian design, built in Australia, one of three.  They saw service and by all accounts were a pretty decent DD.

 

TLDR; - there are far more significant ships to be implemented than a second rate, never fought, jinxed CV from a minor (for the period) commonwealth nation.

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Large presence?  'Big and fruitful wartime careers'?  

 

The Melbourne had no wartime career of any note.  None.  CV 'Sydney', by this criteria alone, would be a far better pick for a premium Australian CV.

 

The Melbourne can't work anyway without Venom's or A-4's in the game.  

 

I suppose you could equip it just with the Gannet AS-1 and run without fighters.

 

The CA Sydney, well, yeah it sank a few Italian DD's in fleet action and later went to the bottom with all hands after a 1v1 with an inferior vessel.  I often see it said that Sydney managed to sink the Kormoran in that engagement too - which is incorrect - the Kormoran scuttled rather than be captured.

 

The 'other' Sydney (WWI), failed to take out a dirigible, sunk an inferior German light cruiser (Emden) - which ultimately got the last laugh anyway.

 

Canberra - disabled almost immediately in it's first serious engagement (Savo), scuttled, contributed nothing.

 

Australia (battlecruiser) - late to every fight - always with a novel excuse - did more damage to NZ than anyone else - contributed nothing

 

The 'other' Australia (County class CA), saw plenty of action for sure, copped a pasting from kamikaze and could deliver a pretty mean shore bombardment.

 

Some interesting stuff in there but, at the end of the day, they are just RN ships and, well, not that noteworthy.

 

My suggestion for an appropriate Aussie premium would be HMAS Arunta.  Tribal-class, modified Australian design, built in Australia, one of three.  They saw service and by all accounts were a pretty decent DD.

 

TLDR; - there are far more significant ships to be implemented than a second rate, never fought, jinxed CV from a minor (for the period) commonwealth nation.

yes large presence

 

your also forgetting the cruisers HMAS Perth and HMAS Hobart, 

 

HMAS Hobart Served in the Mediterranean, the indian ocean, the coral sea, Savo Island, Guadalcanal the PAcific the East Indies, and bornea all of which are her battle honours and awards, later to be decommissioned and sold for scrap in 1962 thats a pretty long and fruitful carreer for a modified Leander-class light cruiser.

 

HMAS Perth - Atlantic 1939, Malta Convoys, Matapan, Greece, Crete, the Mediterranean, the PAcific and the Sunda Strait

 

Perth having the honour of being the only allied and commonwealth ship in the region around venezuala and began hunting for german shipping at the break out of WW2. She served as an escort and served in many battles including the reinforcement of greece and survived air attacks multiple times in 1941 as she carried out patrols in the agean sea and supported convoys to malta. on the 28-29th of March she played a major role in the battle of cape matapan the cruiser assisted in the evactuation of allied troops from greece in april, the cruiser was also invovled in the battle of crete and she was bombed on the 30th of May and still kept going. finnaly being sunk by torpedos after a fight that saw Perth running low on ammo and Captain Hector Waller (a recruit division bears his namesake in honour of him) ordered his ship to try and force a way through she was hit by four torpedos and the crew was forced to abandon ship at 0025 1 march 1942 HMAS Perth was sunk with 353 killed, 342 RAN sailors (Including Captain Waller). That is yet another example of Australian sailors doing their all for the good of the world. 

 

those two alone, have multiple battle honours in critical engagement areas as pivtol points during the war, seems a fairly fruitful lifespan of wartime fighting to me.....

 

Yes we are a small commonwealth nation but our navy has played a big role and still plays a big role in multi-national task forces around the world. Next time make sure you LIST all the cruisers, not just the ones that sank.  and perhaps one should also speak a little more respectfully of those who died to give us the freedoms we enjoy today. 

 

by your comments alone. HMAS Arunta failed to locate submarines and being as she was tasked for anti-submarine duties, and couldnt find it. infact HMAS Arunta was stripped of her Quadalcanal honours because she didnt qualify for it and her PAcific Theatres honours were modified to indicate she started later than the others..... hardly a stellar carreer there either. 

 

A few ammo dumps bomed in the islands around australia some escort duties and what not.... nothing note worthy.

 

 

Infact HMAS Sydney II and HMAS perth and HMAS Hobart would be better premium ships than an escort destroyer that couldnt find a sub and blew up some ammo dumps.

 

also lets not forget that HMAS Canberra, whilst sunk also has the only honour in the entire US fleet of having a ship named after her. USS Canberra the only american ship to have the name of a foreign ship or capital city as it's namesake...

 

that's a pretty big plus for a not so 'fruitful' career.....

 

but that's just my opinion.... and there's still all of Australia's Corvettes that were in service and saw battles..... but so far no corvette classes within WoWS

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Nice list, but you are forgetting something - ships (and tanks) are added to the tree if they are built in that country, how many of our ships were in fact Australian in design, or even built here??

 

As much as I would like to see an Australian ship in this game, I can not see it happening

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yes large presence

 

your also forgetting the cruisers HMAS Perth and HMAS Hobart, 

 

HMAS Hobart Served in the Mediterranean, the indian ocean, the coral sea, Savo Island, Guadalcanal the PAcific the East Indies, and bornea all of which are her battle honours and awards, later to be decommissioned and sold for scrap in 1962 thats a pretty long and fruitful carreer for a modified Leander-class light cruiser.

 

HMAS Perth - Atlantic 1939, Malta Convoys, Matapan, Greece, Crete, the Mediterranean, the PAcific and the Sunda Strait

 

Perth having the honour of being the only allied and commonwealth ship in the region around venezuala and began hunting for german shipping at the break out of WW2. She served as an escort and served in many battles including the reinforcement of greece and survived air attacks multiple times in 1941 as she carried out patrols in the agean sea and supported convoys to malta. on the 28-29th of March she played a major role in the battle of cape matapan the cruiser assisted in the evactuation of allied troops from greece in april, the cruiser was also invovled in the battle of crete and she was bombed on the 30th of May and still kept going. finnaly being sunk by torpedos after a fight that saw Perth running low on ammo and Captain Hector Waller (a recruit division bears his namesake in honour of him) ordered his ship to try and force a way through she was hit by four torpedos and the crew was forced to abandon ship at 0025 1 march 1942 HMAS Perth was sunk with 353 killed, 342 RAN sailors (Including Captain Waller). That is yet another example of Australian sailors doing their all for the good of the world. 

 

those two alone, have multiple battle honours in critical engagement areas as pivtol points during the war, seems a fairly fruitful lifespan of wartime fighting to me.....

 

Yes we are a small commonwealth nation but our navy has played a big role and still plays a big role in multi-national task forces around the world. Next time make sure you LIST all the cruisers, not just the ones that sank.  and perhaps one should also speak a little more respectfully of those who died to give us the freedoms we enjoy today. 

 

by your comments alone. HMAS Arunta failed to locate submarines and being as she was tasked for anti-submarine duties, and couldnt find it. infact HMAS Arunta was stripped of her Quadalcanal honours because she didnt qualify for it and her PAcific Theatres honours were modified to indicate she started later than the others..... hardly a stellar carreer there either. 

 

A few ammo dumps bomed in the islands around australia some escort duties and what not.... nothing note worthy.

 

 

Infact HMAS Sydney II and HMAS perth and HMAS Hobart would be better premium ships than an escort destroyer that couldnt find a sub and blew up some ammo dumps.

 

also lets not forget that HMAS Canberra, whilst sunk also has the only honour in the entire US fleet of having a ship named after her. USS Canberra the only american ship to have the name of a foreign ship or capital city as it's namesake...

 

that's a pretty big plus for a not so 'fruitful' career.....

 

but that's just my opinion.... and there's still all of Australia's Corvettes that were in service and saw battles..... but so far no corvette classes within WoWS

 

Nar, I didn't forget them - I just didn't mention them.  

 

You're confusing 'Service in real life to ones country' with 'Did it do anything / is it special enough to warrant it a special place in the game?'

 

Put your emotions to one side, right, and consider critically - from the aspect of the game.  You can leave consideration of respect, love of ones country, ANZAC pride out for a different conversation entirely - we're talking about pixel ships, yeah?

 

I've no idea what the WG hard criteria are for 'This should be a premium', but I'll venture it's;

  • It's got 'Name'.  It played a significant role / is famous / pwnd left right and center / was historically significant - the Aurora, as an example
  • It's got 'Bling'.  It is technologically different / has unique attributes / shoots lasers from it's eyes / it's absurd but I want one anyway - Kitakami, Atlanta

 

I mention Arunta because they are an interesting trio, those three DD's.  Toothy, plenty of blat, could be a good ship to see in the game - from that perspective - as a premium.  Built local, modified design.  Give it a high rate of fire and good concealment to overcome having only four tubes, give the fish a bit of range or a speed buff and with it's high hull speed it would fall neatly into the 'Bling' category.  I'd like that as a premium.  I'm sure people would like to buy it.  This equals profit potential (WG is a profit making venture, remember?) - thus there's a (slim) chance it would find it's way into the game.

 

Those cruisers, the CV Melbourne, I don't know how you could dress them up as something special enough - that would be (reasonably) historically accurate - that would make a good premium - when you'll already be getting Leanders, Majestics, etc off the RN.  They don't got the 'Bling'.  And they don't got the 'Name' either.

 

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Nice list, but you are forgetting something - ships (and tanks) are added to the tree if they are built in that country, how many of our ships were in fact Australian in design, or even built here??

 

As much as I would like to see an Australian ship in this game, I can not see it happening

 

If you're talking directly at the period that the game covers and ships that fit within the game, you have built locally;

 

  • The three Tribal DD's - Arunta, Warramunga, Bataan - full build at Cockatoo Dockyard 
  • River Class DD - Warrego, Parramatta, Yarra, Huon, Swan, Torrens - first three assembled / completed at Cockatoo, second three full builds, Ya
  • Town Class CA - Adelaide, Brisbane - full builds at Cockatoo.  Other Town class ships built in UK
  • CV Albatross - Cockatoo
  • Battle Class DD - Tobruk - Cockatoo, Anzac - Williamstown (too late in period?)
  • Daring Class DD - Vampire, Voyager - Cockatoo, Vendetta - Williamstown (later in period still)

 

That's about it.  Design varies from it's parent design to different degrees for each ship.  Too much detail there.

 

Lot's of other ships built, but not usable within the game.  

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Nar, I didn't forget them - I just didn't mention them.  

 

You're confusing 'Service in real life to ones country' with 'Did it do anything / is it special enough to warrant it a special place in the game?'

 

Put your emotions to one side, right, and consider critically - from the aspect of the game.  You can leave consideration of respect, love of ones country, ANZAC pride out for a different conversation entirely - we're talking about pixel ships, yeah?

 

I've no idea what the WG hard criteria are for 'This should be a premium', but I'll venture it's;

  • It's got 'Name'.  It played a significant role / is famous / pwnd left right and center / was historically significant - the Aurora, as an example
  • It's got 'Bling'.  It is technologically different / has unique attributes / shoots lasers from it's eyes / it's absurd but I want one anyway - Kitakami, Atlanta

 

I mention Arunta because they are an interesting trio, those three DD's.  Toothy, plenty of blat, could be a good ship to see in the game - from that perspective - as a premium.  Built local, modified design.  Give it a high rate of fire and good concealment to overcome having only four tubes, give the fish a bit of range or a speed buff and with it's high hull speed it would fall neatly into the 'Bling' category.  I'd like that as a premium.  I'm sure people would like to buy it.  This equals profit potential (WG is a profit making venture, remember?) - thus there's a (slim) chance it would find it's way into the game.

 

Those cruisers, the CV Melbourne, I don't know how you could dress them up as something special enough - that would be (reasonably) historically accurate - that would make a good premium - when you'll already be getting Leanders, Majestics, etc off the RN.  They don't got the 'Bling'.  And they don't got the 'Name' either.

 

Tanz

 

 

 

 

 

Whilst I can see your point and accept logically why they will not be added into the game, but at the same time alot of Australian ships whilst not big on devestating battles, or killing multiple enemies at once, were the reliable backbones of many operations they were involved within and that should also be something to look at in regards to selecting premium ships I mean the Aurora did exactly what in ww2? she was a training ship who had her guns stripped for defence of lenningrad.... and that's about the length of her career in world war 2, training ship with some bombing and shelling before sinking. but that's a different kettle of fish regarding why she's in the game and why Australian ships most likely wont ever see the light of day as a premium ship :( or even a ship in the game

 

Edit: On another note, did anyone else get a squishy gleeful feeling in being able to recognise Melbourne's callsign flying? Or is that just the comms rate in me showing lol

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Whilst I can see your point and accept logically why they will not be added into the game, but at the same time alot of Australian ships whilst not big on devestating battles, or killing multiple enemies at once, were the reliable backbones of many operations they were involved within and that should also be something to look at in regards to selecting premium ships I mean the Aurora did exactly what in ww2? she was a training ship who had her guns stripped for defence of lenningrad.... and that's about the length of her career in world war 2, training ship with some bombing and shelling before sinking. but that's a different kettle of fish regarding why she's in the game and why Australian ships most likely wont ever see the light of day as a premium ship :( or even a ship in the game

 

Edit: On another note, did anyone else get a squishy gleeful feeling in being able to recognise Melbourne's callsign flying? Or is that just the comms rate in me showing lol

 

Aurora is historically significant - the Russians worship the thing.  It's got 'Name'.  Yeah.

 

I'd love to see an Aussie ship in the game, don't worry about that.  I reckon the Tribal class DD's are the best bet.

 

I thought of the five DD's of the scrap-iron flotilla but not built in Straya.

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If you are suggesting the Colossus/Majestic class as T8 what would be the RN T9/10. HMAS Sydney or Vengeance would be a better fit than the Melbourne as a premium RAN CV as the Melbourne was modified with an angled flight deck before completion and operated jet aircraft from the outset. The Sydney and the Vengeance both operated the greatest piston engined fighter fighter ever to see active service, The Hawker Sea Fury.

 

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If you're talking directly at the period that the game covers and ships that fit within the game, you have built locally;

 

  • The three Tribal DD's - Arunta, Warramunga, Bataan - full build at Cockatoo Dockyard 
  • River Class DD - Warrego, Parramatta, Yarra, Huon, Swan, Torrens - first three assembled / completed at Cockatoo, second three full builds, Ya
  • Town Class CA - Adelaide, Brisbane - full builds at Cockatoo.  Other Town class ships built in UK
  • CV Albatross - Cockatoo
  • Battle Class DD - Tobruk - Cockatoo, Anzac - Williamstown (too late in period?)
  • Daring Class DD - Vampire, Voyager - Cockatoo, Vendetta - Williamstown (later in period still)

 

That's about it.  Design varies from it's parent design to different degrees for each ship.  Too much detail there.

 

Lot's of other ships built, but not usable within the game.  

 

We do have to keep in mind that the entire Russian tech tree is made up of two ships, neither of which are a Russian design, Russian built or for the main part of their lives, Russian operated. The only reason Wargaming has to not include an Australian line or at the very least change the British line to a Commonwealth line is "Because we're the game devs, **** off, pay us."

That being said, if they don't at least put in some significant ships like the HMAS Adelaide (Significant due to its odd commission history and the attacks it was part of) or the HMAS Arunta (significant for its sheer inability to sink any other ship, however despite that it had a long wartime history and became one of the most well known ships to the entire US Military), then I am going to be VERY upset. 

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I vote for the Aussie built (Cockatoo Dock and Eng. Pty, Ltd, Sydney)  'HMAS Albatross' but as a tier 3 CV as she only carried 9 seagulls (Walrus) seaplanes...make a great scout, It also fits into the time frame of the game by not being or operating with post WWII planes.

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We do have to keep in mind that the entire Russian tech tree is made up of two ships, neither of which are a Russian design, Russian built or for the main part of their lives, Russian operated. The only reason Wargaming has to not include an Australian line or at the very least change the British line to a Commonwealth line is "Because we're the game devs, **** off, pay us."

That being said, if they don't at least put in some significant ships like the HMAS Adelaide (Significant due to its odd commission history and the attacks it was part of) or the HMAS Arunta (significant for its sheer inability to sink any other ship, however despite that it had a long wartime history and became one of the most well known ships to the entire US Military), then I am going to be VERY upset. 

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I tend to agree , i don't think it's too much to ask to at least add say a Town Class CA and Tribal Class DD to a small nations tree or something of that nature for at the very least something different and give the smaller nations ships a look in

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Large presence?  'Big and fruitful wartime careers'?  

 

The Melbourne had no wartime career of any note.  None.  CV 'Sydney', by this criteria alone, would be a far better pick for a premium Australian CV.

 

The Melbourne can't work anyway without Venom's or A-4's in the game.  

 

I suppose you could equip it just with the Gannet AS-1 and run without fighters.

 

The CA Sydney, well, yeah it sank a few Italian DD's in fleet action and later went to the bottom with all hands after a 1v1 with an inferior vessel.  I often see it said that Sydney managed to sink the Kormoran in that engagement too - which is incorrect - the Kormoran scuttled rather than be captured.

 

The 'other' Sydney (WWI), failed to take out a dirigible, sunk an inferior German light cruiser (Emden) - which ultimately got the last laugh anyway.

 

Canberra - disabled almost immediately in it's first serious engagement (Savo), scuttled, contributed nothing.

 

Australia (battlecruiser) - late to every fight - always with a novel excuse - did more damage to NZ than anyone else - contributed nothing

 

The 'other' Australia (County class CA), saw plenty of action for sure, copped a pasting from kamikaze and could deliver a pretty mean shore bombardment.

 

Some interesting stuff in there but, at the end of the day, they are just RN ships and, well, not that noteworthy.

 

My suggestion for an appropriate Aussie premium would be HMAS Arunta.  Tribal-class, modified Australian design, built in Australia, one of three.  They saw service and by all accounts were a pretty decent DD.

 

TLDR; - there are far more significant ships to be implemented than a second rate, never fought, jinxed CV from a minor (for the period) commonwealth nation.

You do know how the Canberra sunk? It was friendly fire, the HMAS Canberra was disabled by torpedoes from the USS Bagly, immobilising the ship, and turning her into a sitting duck for approaching Japanese warships.  Just like in game.

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I vote for the Aussie built (Cockatoo Dock and Eng. Pty, Ltd, Sydney)  'HMAS Albatross' but as a tier 3 CV as she only carried 9 seagulls (Walrus) seaplanes...make a great scout, It also fits into the time frame of the game by not being or operating with post WWII planes.

 

Did those Seagulls have anything in the way of firepower?

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Did those Seagulls have anything in the way of firepower?

 

From what I can see up to 600lb(270kgs) of bombs under her wings or 2 death charges (No subs so don't have to worry about that last one)

Looking at 6x 100lb (50kg) or 2x 250lb (110kg) bombs.

also had for defence 2 Vickers 'K' or Lewis Mgs, one in bow position and one in midships position both on flexible mounts.

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