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Hi WG Dev team,

Good day to you all, I would like to propose branch lines for the French tech tree.

Please have a look and consider this suggestion.

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The Frenchy way
Consumables: artillery WD40, and NOS

BB main line -> The french way, all guns forward (The french makes things different. Think different)
BB branch line -> The traditional way with maximum alpha and a bit of french touch (Quad turret)

BB Note: Gascogne is not the premium Gascogne, but rather her armament configuration of 1 front 1 rear turret. I currently do not have a name for her.

DD torpedo boat line -> Your usual torpedo loli-boats with 550 mm french baguette. 
            Usually armed with 130 mm. Smaller than her other branch.
            Small size means better concealment compared to her "large" branch.
DD "large" boat line -> A implied they are "large" compared to other loli-boats. 
            Usually armed with 139 mm and really fast for her size. (If you have Aigle, she is good practice boat for this line) 
            Due to large size, their concealment suffer, but with her 139 mm guns will make you think twice. (Larger than Lada's (Russian) 130mm but smaller than BMW's (German) 150mm)

CL line -> French light cruiser line, artillery WD40 and NOS at T6.
CA line -> Early access to CA like Japan, but no artillery WD40 and no NOS

Cruiser note: Since there is no known light cruiser design after De Grasse / Chateurenault, it is uncertain if there will be a T8 light cruiser line.
        If -> Theoretical T8 light cruiser exist with 12 guns
            Light cruiser line stops at T8 and the next re searchable tier will be Charles Martel, T8 heavy cruiser, thus ending the light cruiser tech tree.

        Else If -> Theoretical T9 light cruiser design possible
            Light cruiser line continues till T10.

        Else ->
            Light cruiser line stops at T7 and the next re searchable tier will be Charles Martel, T8 heavy cruiser, thus ending the light cruiser tech tree.


Cruiser note: French and Italian tech tree will have this similarities. What France makes, Italy responds and vise versa.

 

Battleship
T3 Turenne
    No change

T4 Courbet
    No change

T5 Bretagne
    No change

T6 Normandie
    No change
 

Forward Guns Branch (The French way)
T6 Preliminary Dunkerque
Armament:
    8 × 305 mm (12 in)/50 (?) guns (2 x 4)
    ?? × 130 mm(5.1 in)/45 guns (? x 4 and ? x 2)
    ?? × 37 mm (1.5 in)/50 guns (? x 2)
    ?? × 13.2 mm (0.52 in)/76 Hotchkiss MG (? x 1 and ? x 2)

Note: I am a bit skeptical at 305 mm being on T6. But the Lyon with 340 mm is on T7 so.....


T7 Strasbourg
Armament:
    8 × 330 mm (13 in)/50 guns (2 x 4)
    16 × 130 mm(5.1 in)/45 guns (3 x 4 and 2 x 2)
    8 × 37 mm (1.5 in)/50 guns (4 x 2)
    8 × 13.2 mm (0.52 in)/76 Hotchkiss MG (8 x 1)

Armour:    
    Belt:
        Dunkerque: 225 mm
        Strasbourg: 283 mm
    Deck:
        Dunkerque: 115 – 125 mm
        Strasbourg: 127 – 137 mm
    Turrets:
        Dunkerque: 150 – 330 mm
        Strasbourg: 160 – 360 mm
    Conning tower:
        270 mm

Note: Armour shows the difference between Dunkerque and Strasbourg. While both ships will have 26s reload time, only Dunkerque will get the WD40 Armament reload booster, while Strasbourg dose not.
Question: Should Dunkerque move up to T7 along with her sister Strasbourg or stay at T6?


T8 Richelieu

Armament:
    8 × 380 mm (15 in)/45 guns (2 x 4)
    9× 152 mm (6 in)/55 guns (3 x 3)

Note: No change.
Side Note: Richelieu's Hull A is similar to Clemenceau, the 3rd sister of the Richelieu class, where she recieves 2 extra secondary turrets in her sides insted of usual AA armament of 37mm and 13.2mm were placed.


T9 Flandre (Project 4 Richelieu Class)

Armament:
    9 - 12 × 380 mm (15 in)/45 guns (3 x 3 or 3 x 4)
    9 × 152 mm (6 in)/55 guns (3 x 3)
    24 × 100 mm (3.9 in)/45 guns (12 x 2)

Note: French Nelson.
Note: Turret C is facing forward.


T10 Liberte

Armament:
    8 x 431 mm (17 in)/50 guns (2 x 4)
    16 x 127 mm (5 in)/54 guns (8 x 2)
    9 x 152 mm (6 in)/55 guns (3 x 3)

Note: Republique has 1 forward and 1 rear turret, Liberte has both turret in front and none in the rear.


Traditional Style Branch
T7 Lyon

Armament:
    16 x 340 mm (13.4 in)/45 guns (4 x 4)
    24 × 130 mm(5.1 in)/45 guns (4 x 4 and 4 x 2)
    40 × 37 mm (1.5 in)/50 guns (20 x 2)
    24 × 13.2 mm (0.52 in)/76 Hotchkiss MG (12 x 2)

Note: No change.
Side Note: there were 2 other designs for Lyon and they can be sold as premium.
    Other Design 1 (Turret Configuration): There was a competing design for Lyon with 2 turrets forward (A, B)and 2 turrets rear (X, Y) (The center turret (C) was moved forward). This means she can fire 8 guns insted of only 4. (source: Journal of United States Artillery, example Tourville)
    Other Design 2 (Armament Size): there were plans to mount Lyon with 8 380 mm guns, but later abandoned due to time constraints.
Personal Opinion: Lyon seems to have a mistake in her design in an engineering stand point. Her funnel is in the front near the bridge tower. Does this mean either the engine is between Turret A and Turret C and have extra long gears to the propeller.
          Or the engine is in the correct position (which is near in the middle) and have created a long shaft funnel to go forward. Which may heat up the magazine room in Turret C and cause catastrophic explosion.
          
          I know im being nit picky on this but it just looks wrong. We can open a discussion this in another topic in the forum.


T8 "Gascogne" type

Armament:
    8 × 380 mm (15 in)/45 guns (2 x 4)
    9× 152 mm (6 in)/55 guns (3 x 3)

Note: She is Gascogne in all manner and configuration but she is not Gascogne. Gascogne is a premium and will find another name for her, but the configuration of the armament replicates Gascogne.


T9 Alsace (N3)

Armament:
    12 × 380 mm (15 in)/45 guns (3 x 4)
    9 × 152 mm (6 in)/55 guns (3 x 3)
    24 × 100 mm (3.9 in)/45 guns (12 x 2)

Note: No change.
Note: The only odd one in the branch as she has rear turret.


T0 Republique

Armament:
    8 x 431 mm (17 in)/50 guns (2 x 4)
    16 x 127 mm (5 in)/54 guns (8 x 2)
    9 x 152 mm (6 in)/55 guns (3 x 3)

Note: No change.


Next is Cruisers

Full details in the following days.

Edited by S0und_Theif
Adding T6 Preliminary Dunkerque

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Cruisers

Original cruiser tech tree from T1 to T10 no change. Only adding heavy cruiser and extending the light up to T7 or T8. Can continue to T10 if any data exist.


Original Ships
T1 Bougainville (Aviso / Sloop)

T2 Jurien (Protected Cruiser)

T3 Friant (CL)

T4 Dugay-Trouin (CL)

T5 Emile Bertin (CL)

T6 La Galissoniere (CL)

T7 Algerie (CA)

T8 Charles Martel (CA)

T9 St. Louis (CA)

T10 Henry IV (CA)

No Changes for the original tech tree from T1 to T10. Will only Add 2 heavy cruiser from T5 and 1 or 2 light cruiser from T7.


Heavy Cruiser Split

T5 Daqunsen (CA)

Armament:
8 - 203 mm (8 in)/50 guns (4 × 2)
8 - 75 mm (3 in) AA guns (8 × 1)
8 - 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns (4 × 2)
12 - 13.2 mm (0.52 in) AA guns (4 × 3)
6 - 550 mm (22 in) torpedo tubes (2 × 3)

Note: Due to France's late tech boom, France is the second nation to get early access to heavy cruiser. The other being Japan.
Note: Due to her early access, she will not have Reload Booster and NOS, like Emile Bertin.


T6 Dupleix (CA)

Armament:
8 - 203 mm (8 in)/50  guns (4 × 2)
8 - 90 mm (3.5 in)/55 AA guns (4 x 2)
8 - 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns (4 × 2)
12 - 13.2 mm (0.52 in) AA (4 × 3)
6 - 550 mm (22 in) torpedo tubes (2 × 3)

Note: Suffren Class Heavy cruiser. Dupleix armor is better compared to her sisters.
Note: Access to Reload Booster and NOS is now available and blessed in this tier, but her standard reload is slow compared to other nations.


Light Cruiser Continuation

T7 Chateaurenault (CL)

Armament:
9 - 152 mm (6 in)/55 guns (3 x 3)
6 - 100 mm (3.9 in)/45 guns (3 x 2)
8 - 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns (4 x 2)
8 - 13.2 mm (0.52 in) AA guns (4 x 2)
6 - 550 mm (22 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 3)

Note: Chateaurenault is one of the 3 unbuilt De Grasse Class. The other being Guichen.
Note: De Grasse is already a premium so her sister will take her place.
Note: It is uncertain if there were plans for a light cruiser after De Grasse. If the light cruiser stops at T7, the next researchable tier will be T8 heavy cruiser Charles Martel.


T7 De Grasse (1956) (CLAA) Premium? Armory?

Armament:
16 - 127 mm (5 in) guns (8 x 2)
20 * 57 mm (2.24) guns (10 x 2)
No more aircraft and no more torpedo

Note: De Grasse is already a premium in her 1938 design. This De Grasse will feature De Grasse's 1956 design.


T8 ???? (CL)

Armament: (Theoretical)
9 or 12 - 152 mm (6 in)/55 guns (3 x 3) or (4 x 3)
8 - 100 mm (3.9 in)/45 guns (4 x 2)
?? - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors AA guns
?? - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlikon AA guns
6 - 550 mm (22 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 3)

Note: This design is only hypothetical, It is uncertain if there were plans or design succeding the De Grasse class. The next researchable tier will be T8 heavy cruiser Charles Martel.
Personal Opinion: This design is pure hypothetical and currently cannot find any historical design on this cruiser. If WG can find designs after De Grasse and can complete the light cruiser line, I am for it. But since I am unable to complete it through T10, I will stop at T8 and either wait for a plausible T9 and T10 design (like the Akizuki on pre 0.7.8) or merge to the heavy cruiser at T8 like the Italian Tech tree suggestion. 


Finally the Destroyers.

Full details in the few days. Sorry if it was a while to update.

Edited by S0und_Theif

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Finally the Destroyers "aka Loliboats"

T2 Enseigne Gabolde

Armament:
3 - 100 mm (3.9 in)/45 guns (3 x 1)
1 - 75 mm (3.0 in)/50 AA gun (1 x 1)
4 - 450 mm (17.7 in) torpedo tubes (2 × 2)


T3 Aventurier

Armament:
4 - 100 mm (3.9 in)/45 guns (4 x 1)
1 - 75 mm (3.0 in)/50 AA gun (1 x 1)
4 - 450 mm (17.7 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 2)


T4 Lion

Armament:
5 - 100 mm (3.9 in)/45 guns (5 × 1)
2 - 75 mm (3.0 in)/50 AA guns (2 × 1)
6 - 550 mm (22 in) torpedo tubes (2 × 3)

Note: Ships were cancelled and never made.
Note: Topedo is at 550 mm (22 in)


Large Destroyer Branch

T5 Chacal

Armament:
5 - 130 mm (5.1 in) guns (5 x 1)
2 - 75 mm (3.0 in) AA guns (2 x 1)
6 - 550 mm (22 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 3)

Note: Stock speed at 35.5 knots. Probably the fastest destroyer on her tier.


T6 Guépard

Armament:
5 - 139 mm (5.5 in) guns (5 x 1)
4 - 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns (4 x 1)
6 - 550 mm (22 in) torpedo tubes (2 × 3)

Note: 139 mm (5.5 in) starts in this tier.
Note: AA mounts need more input.


T7 Gerfaut

Armament:
5 - 139 mm (5.5 in) guns (5 x 1)
1 - 75 mm (3.0 in) AA gun (1 x 1)
4 - 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns (1 x 1)
6 - 550 mm (22 in) torpedo tubes (2 × 3)

Note: Aigle Class.
Note: AA mounts need more input.


T8 Vauquelin

Armament:
5 - 139 mm (5.5 in) guns (5 x 1)
4 - 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns (4 x 1)
4 - 13.2 mm (0.52 in) AA guns (4 x 1)
7 - 550 mm (22 in) torpedo tubes (1 x 3, 2 x 2)

Note: Torpedo configuration almost like Mahan. 1 center, 1 on each side. Same with Le Hardi.
Note: AA mounts need more input.


T9 Le Fantasque

Armament:
5 × 139 mm (5.5 in) guns (5 × 1)
8 × 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors AA guns (4 x 2)
8 × 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlikon guns (4 x 2)
9 × 550 mm (21.7 in) torpedo tubes (3×3)

Note: Le Terrible at T8 premium. (At T8 probably because of her AA armament)


T10 Mogador

Armament:
8 - 139 mm (5.5 in) guns (4 x 2)
?? - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors AA guns 
?? - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlikon guns 
10 - 550 mm (21.7 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 3 and 2 x 2)

Note: Designed to counter the Italian Attilio Regolo " Capitani Romani" and the German Spahkreuzer


Torpedo Boat Branch

T5 Bourrasque

Armament:
4 - 130 mm (5 in) guns (4 x 1)
2 - 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns (2 x 1)
4 - 13.2 mm (0.52 in) AA guns (4 x 1)
6 - 550 mm (21.7 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 3)

Note: Basis for the Wicher Class Polish Destroyer. See Polish Destroyers Grom Class and Wicher Class.


T6 L'Adroit

Armament:
4 - 130 mm (5.1 in) guns (4 x 1)
2 - 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns (2 x 1)
4 - 13.2 mm (0.52 in) AA guns (4 x 1)
6 - 550 mm (21.7 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 3)

Note: Better armored than Bourrasque
Note: AA mounts need more input.


T7 ????

Armament:
5 - 130 mm (5.1 in) guns (5 x 1)
? - 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns 
? - 13.2 mm (0.52 in) AA guns
6 - 550 mm (21.7 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 3)

Note: Further improvement of the L'Adroit armed with 5 guns insted of 4.
Note: There is no data about this ship. It is only theoretical.


T8 Le Hardi

Armament:
6 - 130 mm (5.1 in) guns (3 x 2)
2 - 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns (2 x 1)
2 - 13.2 mm (0.5 in) AA guns (1 x 2)
7 - 550 mm (21.7 in) torpedo tubes (1 x 3, 2 x 2)

Note: Torpedo configuration almost like Mahan. 1 center, 1 on each side. Same with Vaquelin.
Note: AA mounts need more input


T9 Surcouf (T47)

Armament:
6 - 127 mm (5 in) guns (3 x 2)
6 - 57 mm (2.2 in) guns (3 x 2)
4 - 20 mm (0.8 in) guns (4×1)
12 - 550 mm (21.7 in) torpedo tubes (4×3)

Note: Probably the most Advanced Destroyer in the game.
Note: Although there are 12 torpedo tubes (6 on each side). In the right position, this destroyer can destroy 2 battleships almost at the same time gaining the double strike reward.


T10 Duperre (T53)

Armament:
6 - 127 mm (5 in) guns (3 x 2)
6 - 57 mm (2.2 in) guns (3 x 2)
4 - 20 mm (0.79 in) guns (4 × 1)
12 - 550 mm (21.7 in) torpedo tubes (4×3)

Note: Further improvement from the Surcouf (T47).
Note: Probably the most Advanced Destroyer in the game.
Note: Although there are 12 torpedo tubes (6 on each side). In the right position, this destroyer can destroy 2 battleships almost at the same time gaining the double strike reward.
 

I know some of the suggested ships may not make it as WG will put other ships that were not available in the books or internet, but I am sure they are working on to complete the French tech tree.


And here ends the suggestions details. That was a long one. Please let me know if I have missed any ship details in the suggestion list. Or if you feel that some ships are not in the right tier, please let me know.
And please WG, please consider this request. Thank you.

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