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Pan-America Destroyer Tech Tree Suggestion

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Hi Wargameing Dev team,

I would like to suggest a complete Pan-America destroyer line. However I came in 2 problems:

1. I cant find a suitable T1 for the Pan- America gunboat for the tech tree and need help on this.

2. Pan-America needs a unique gimmick or play style (Pan-Asia Deep-Water torpedo, British ambush and flee destroyer, German tanky destroyers, Russian suicide tactic,  Commonwealth creep smoke). May it be armament, consumable, or their stats.

 

However I was able to complete a destroyer line for Pan-America. I hope you like them.

Here is what I have come up with when looking around the internet:

Main Line DD

T2 
Alexandrino de Alenca / Maranhão
Originally Porpoise "K-Class 1913" (UK)

Armament:
3 × QF 4 in (102 mm) Mark IV guns (3 x 1)
1 × QF 2 pdr (40 mm) pom-pom Mk. II (1 x 1)
2 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedoes (2 x 1)


T3 
Almirante Villiar (PE)
Originally Miklucho Maklai "Orfey Vlass" (RU)

Note: Miklucho Maklai (RU) -> Vambola (EE) -> Almirante Villiar (PE)
See "Estonian Destroyer Vambola and Lennuk" Suggestion

Armament:
4 × 4.0 in (102 mm)/60 Pattern 1911 guns (4 x 1)
1 × QF 2 pdr (40 mm) pom-pom Mk. II (1 x 1)
2 × 0.30 in (7.62 mm) Maxim machine guns (2 x 1)
9 × 18 in (450 mm) torpedo tubes (3 x 3)


T4 
Almirante Guise (PE)
Originally Avtroil "Izyaslav Class" (RU)

Note: Avtroil (RU) -> Lennuk (EE) -> Almirante Guise (PE)
See "Estonian Destroyer Vambola and Lennuk" Suggestion

Armament:
5 × 4.0 in (102 mm)/60 Pattern 1911 guns (5 x 1)
1 x 2.5 in (63.3 mm) Model 1916 (1 x 1) / 4 x 1.8 in (45 mm) 21-K (4 x 1)
2 × 0.30 in (7.62 mm) Maxim machine guns (2 x 1)
9 × 18 in (450 mm) torpedo tubes (3 x 3)


T5 
Mendoza (AR)
Based on Scott Class (UK)

Armament:
5 × 4.7 in (120 mm) QF Mark IX guns (5 x 1)
1 × 3 in (76 mm) AA gun
2 × QF 2 pdr (40 mm) pom-pom Mk. II (2 x 1) ? Need more info
6 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3)

or

Juan de Garay (AR)
Originally Alcala Galiano "Churruca Class" (ES)

Armament:
5 × 4.7 in (120 mm) L45 guns (5 x 1) ? UK / Italian Gun?
1 × 3 in (76 mm) AA guns (1 x 1)
4 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 2) ? Need more info
6 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3)


T6
Buenos Aires (AR)
Based on G-Class or Gallant (UK)

Armament:
4 × 4.7 in (120 mm) QF Mark IX guns (4 × 1)
8 × 0.50 in (12.7 mm) Vickers machine guns (2 x 4)
8 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 4)


T7
Amazonas (BR)
Based on H-Class (UK) but armed with US 5 in (127 mm) / 38 guns

Armament:
4 x 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (4 x 1)
2 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (1 x 2) ? Need more info
4 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon  guns (4 x 1)
8 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 4)


T8
Mariz e Barros (BR)
Based on Mahan Class (US) but only has 2 torpedo tube insted of 3

Note: I did not use Marcilio Diaz because she may be used as a T10 ship with the same name.

Armament:
5 × single 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (5 x 1)
4 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 2) 
4 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon  guns (4 x 1)
8 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 4)


T9
Blanco Encalada (CL)
Originally USS Wadleigh "Fletcher Class" (US)
or
Cuitláhuac (MX)
Originally USS John Rogers "Fletcher Class" (US)

Armament:
5 × 5 inch (127 mm)/38 guns (5 x 1)
10 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (5 x 2)
7–12 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (7 x 1 or 6 x 2)
10 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 5)


T10
Ministro Portales (CL)
Originallt USS Charles S. Sperry "Allan M Summer Class" (US)

Armament:
6 × 5 in (130 mm)/38 guns (3 x 2) [4 sec reload]
12 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 4 and 2 x 2)
10 × × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (10 x 1)
10 × 21 inch (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 5)

or

Quetzalcoatl (MX)
Originally USS Vogelgesang "Gearing Class" (US)

Armament:
6 × 5 in (130 mm)/38 guns (3 x 2) [3 sec reload]
12 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 4 and 2 x 2)
10 × × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (10 x 1)
10 × 21 inch (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 5)

 

All Armaments are only stock, WG can edit or custom them.

 

Foot Note:
(BR) = Brazil            (CO) = Colombia        (US) = USA             (EE) = Estonia
(AR) = Argentina    (VE) = Venezuela        (UK) = UK               (ES) = Spain / Espania
(CL) = Chile             (EC) = Ecuador           (RU) = Russia        (SE) = Sweden
(PE) = Peru                                                                                    (NL) = Netherlands
(MX) = Mexico                                        

I hope that you like this suggestion. 🙂

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Here are the Premium Ships Suggestion

Premium Battleships, Cruisers, Destroyers

T4
Minas Gerais (BR) - BB

Armament:
12 × 12 in (305 mm)/45 guns (6 × 2)
22 × 4.7 (120 mm)/50 guns (22 x 1)
8 × 3 pdr (47 mm) AA guns (8 x 1)


Rivadavia or Moreno (AR) - BB

Armament:
12 × 12 in (305 mm)/50 guns (6 x 2)
12 × 6 in (152 mm)/50 guns (12 x 1)
16 × 4 in (102 mm) AA guns (16 x 1) 


T5
Rio de Janeiro (BR) - BB
Sold to UK as HMS Agincourt 1913

Note: Possible sold as double bundle like Boise and Nueve de Julio

14 × 12 in (305 mm)/45 guns (7 x 2)
20 × 6 in (152 mm)/50 guns (20 x 1)
10 × 3 in (76 mm) AA guns (10 x 1)


Almirante Latorre (CL) - BB
Sold to UK as HMS Canada

Note: Possible sold as double bundle like Boise and Nueve de Julio

Armament:
10 × 14 inch (355 mm)/45 guns (5 x 2)
16 × 6 in (152 mm)/50 guns (16 x 1)
2 × 3 in (76 mm) AA guns (2 x 1)
4 × 3 pdr (47 mm) AA guns (4 x 1)


T6
Riachuelo (BR) BB
Not Built. Not much is known except for the following information in wikipedia and Conways Fighting Ships:
The Brazilian government chose what was labeled as Design 781, the first of the eight 15-inch designs tendered by Armstrong, which also shared characteristics with the Queen Elizabeth or Revenge class, at the time, being built for the United Kingdom

Armament:
8 x 15 in (381 mm)/42 guns (4 x 2)
??? 6 in (152 mm)/50 guns (? x 1)
??? AA guns
 

Veintecinco de Mayo (AR) - CA

Armament:
6 × 7.5 in (190 mm)/52 guns (3 × 2)
12 × 4 in (102 mm)/45 DP guns (6 × 2)
6 × QF 2 pdr (40 mm) pom pom (6 x 1)
6 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3)


La Argentina (AR) - CL

Armament:
9 × 6 in (152 mm)/50 guns (3 × 3)
4 × 4 in (102 mm)/45 DP guns (4 × 1)
8 × QF 2 pdr (40 mm) pom pom (8 x 1)
6 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3)


Almirante Latorre (CL) - CL
Originally Gota Lejon "Tre Kronor Class" (SE)

Armament:
7 × 6 in (152 mm)/53 guns (3 x 2 and 1 x 1)
20 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (5 x 4 or 10 x 2) ?
6 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (6 x 1)
6 × torpedo tubes


Almirante Grau (PE) - CL
Originally De Ruyter "De Zeven Provincien" (NL)

Note: Before modification specs

Armament:
8 × 6 in (152 mm)/53 guns (4 x 2)
8 × 2.2 in (57 mm) AA guns (4 x 2)
8 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (4 x 2)
No Torp

T7
Capitan Prat (CL) - CL
Originally USS Nashville "Brooklyn Class" (US)

Note: Possible sold as double bundle like Boise and Nueve de Julio

Armament:
15 × 6 in (152 mm)/47 guns (5x3)
8 × 5 in (127 mm)/25  guns (8×1)
20 × 1.6 in (40 mm)  Bofors guns (4 x 4 and 2 x 2) ? Combination may varay
18 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (18 x 1)
No Torp
 

Tamandare (BR) - CL
Originally USS St. Louis 1938 "St. Louis Class 1938" (US)

Note: Possible sold as double bundle like Boise and Nueve de Julio

Armament:
15 × 6in (152 mm)/47 gun (5 x 3)
8 × 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (4 x 2)
16 × 1.1 in (28 mm)/75 guns (4 x 4) or 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (4 x 4)
12 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon cannons (12 x 1)
No Torp
 

Coronel Bolognesi (PE) - CL
Originally HMS Ceylon "Crown Colony Class" (UK)

Note: Possible sold as double bundle like Boise and Nueve de Julio

Armament:
9 x 6 in (152 mm)/52 guns (3 x 3)
8 x QF 4 in (102 mm)/45 DP guns (4 x 2)
16 x QF 2 pdr (40 mm) pom-pom guns (4 x 4)
10 x 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon  guns (5 x 2)
6 x 21 inch (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3)


Foot Note:
(BR) = Brazil            (CO) = Colombia        (US) = USA            (EE) = Estonia
(AR) = Argentina    (VE) = Venezuela        (UK) = UK              (ES) = Spain / Espania
(CL) = Chile             (EC) = Ecuador           (RU) = Russia        (SE) = Sweden
(PE) = Peru                                                                                   (NL) = Netherlands
(MX) = Mexico                                        

I hope that you like this suggestion. 🙂

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And finally Gran Colombia Premium Destroyers (Gran Colombia Flag, as well as their respective flags like Pan-Asia and Commonwealth ships)
Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Panama

T10
Santander (CO)
Originally USS Waldron "Allen M Summer Class" (US)

Carabobo (VE)
Originally USS Beatty "Allen M Summer Class" (US)

Presdente Eloy Alfaro (EC)
Originally USS Holder "Gearing Class" (US)

Note: Possible sold as triple bundle as Gran Colombia set with Gran Colombia Flag
Note: Allen M Summer reload time is 4 seconds. Gearing reload time is 3 seconds

Armament:
6 × 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (3 x 2)
12 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 × 4 and 2 × 2) or 6 x 3 in (76 mm)/50 AA guns (2 x 2 and 2 x 1)
11 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon cannons
10 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 5)

 

Foot Note:
(BR) = Brazil            (CO) = Colombia        (US) = USA            (EE) = Estonia
(AR) = Argentina    (VE) = Venezuela        (UK) = UK              (ES) = Spain / Espania
(CL) = Chile             (EC) = Ecuador           (RU) = Russia        (SE) = Sweden
(PE) = Peru                                                                                   (NL) = Netherlands
(MX) = Mexico                             

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