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Pan-America Destroyer Tech Tree Suggestion (Incomplete Cruiser and Battleship)

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Hi Wargameing Dev team,

I would like to suggest a complete Pan-America destroyer line. However I came in 2 problems:

1. I cant find a suitable T1 for the Pan- America gunboat for the tech tree and need help on this.

2. Pan-America needs a unique gimmick or play style (Pan-Asia Deep-Water torpedo, British ambush and flee destroyer, German tanky destroyers, Russian suicide tactic,  Commonwealth creep smoke). May it be armament, consumable, or their stats.

 

However I was able to complete a destroyer line for Pan-America. I hope you like them.

Here is what I have come up with when looking around the internet:

Main Line DD

T2 
Alexandrino de Alenca / Maranhão (BR)
Originally Porpoise "K-Class 1913" (UK)

Armament:
3 × QF 4 in (102 mm) Mark IV guns (3 x 1)
1 × QF 2 pdr (40 mm) pom-pom Mk. II (1 x 1)
2 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedoes (2 x 1)


T3 
Almirante Villiar (PE)
Originally Miklucho Maklai "Orfey Vlass" (RU)

Armament:
4 × 4.0 in (102 mm)/60 Pattern 1911 guns (4 x 1)
1 × QF 2 pdr (40 mm) pom-pom Mk. II (1 x 1)
2 × 0.30 in (7.62 mm) Maxim machine guns (2 x 1)
9 × 18 in (450 mm) torpedo tubes (3 x 3)

Note: Miklucho Maklai (RU) -> Vambola (EE) -> Almirante Villiar (PE)
See "Pan-Europe Destroyer Tech Tree Suggestion"


T4 
Almirante Guise (PE)
Originally Avtroil "Izyaslav Class" (RU)

Armament:
5 × 4.0 in (102 mm)/60 Pattern 1911 guns (5 x 1)
1 x 2.5 in (63.3 mm) Model 1916 (1 x 1) / 4 x 1.8 in (45 mm) 21-K (4 x 1)
2 × 0.30 in (7.62 mm) Maxim machine guns (2 x 1)
9 × 18 in (450 mm) torpedo tubes (3 x 3)

Note: Avtroil (RU) -> Lennuk (EE) -> Almirante Guise (PE)
See "Pan-Europe Destroyer Tech Tree Suggestion"


T5 
Mendoza (AR)
Based on "Scott Class" (UK)

Armament:
5 × 4.7 in (120 mm) QF Mark IX guns (5 x 1)
1 × 3 in (76 mm) AA gun
2 × QF 2 pdr (40 mm) pom-pom Mk. II (2 x 1) ? Need more info
6 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3)

or

Juan de Garay (AR)
Originally Alcala Galiano "Churruca Class" (ES)

Armament:
5 × 4.7 in (120 mm)/45 guns (5 x 1)
1 × 3 in (76 mm) AA guns (1 x 1)
6 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3)

or

Antioquia (CO)
Originally Douro "Douro Class" (PT)

Armament:
4 - 4.7 in (120 mm)/45 guns (4 x 1)
2 - 2 pdr (40 mm) AA guns (2 x 1)
8 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 4)


T6
Buenos Aires (AR)
Based on G-Class or Gallant (UK)

Armament:
4 × 4.7 in (120 mm) QF Mark IX guns (4 × 1)
8 × 0.50 in (12.7 mm) Vickers machine guns (2 x 4)
8 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 4)


T7
Amazonas (BR)
Based on H-Class (UK) but armed with US 5 in (127 mm) / 38 guns

Armament:
4 x 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (4 x 1)
2 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (1 x 2) ? Need more info
4 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon  guns (4 x 1)
8 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 4)


T8
Mariz e Barros (BR)
Based on Mahan Class (US) but only has 2 torpedo tube insted of 3

Note: I did not use Marcilio Diaz because she may be used as a T10 ship with the same name.

Armament:
5 × 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (5 x 1)
4 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 2) 
4 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon  guns (4 x 1)
8 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 4)


US Ships sold to Pan America
T9
Blanco Encalada (CL)
Originally USS Wadleigh "Fletcher Class" (US)
or
Cuitláhuac (MX)
Originally USS John Rogers "Fletcher Class" (US)

Armament:
5 × 5 inch (127 mm)/38 guns (5 x 1)
10 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (5 x 2)
7–12 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (7 x 1 or 6 x 2)
10 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 × 5)


T10
Ministro Portales (CL)
Originally USS Charles S. Sperry "Allan M Summer Class" (US)

Armament:
6 × 5 in (130 mm)/38 guns (3 x 2) [4 sec reload]
12 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 4 and 2 x 2)
10 ×  0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (10 x 1)
10 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 5)

or

Quetzalcoatl (MX)
Originally USS Vogelgesang "Gearing Class" (US)

Armament:
6 × 5 in (130 mm)/38 guns (3 x 2) [3 sec reload]
12 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 x 4 and 2 x 2)
10 × × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (10 x 1)
10 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 5)


European Ships sold to Pan America
T9 Garcia y Garcia (PE)
Originally HNLMS Holland "Holland Class" (NL)

Armament:
4 x 4.7 in (120 mm) Bofors guns (2×2)
1 x 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors AA gun (1 x 1) More can be added
"Anti Submarine Mortars"

Note: No Torpedo


T10 Gálvez (PE)
Originally HNLMS Groningen "Friesland Class" (NL)

Armament:
4 x 4.7 in (120 mm) Bofors guns (2 × 2)
6 x 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors AA guns (6 × 1)
"Anti Submarine Mortars"

Note: No Torpedo

and

T10 Siete de Agosto / Veinte de Julio (CO)
Modified "Halland Class" (SE) Built for Colombian Navy

Armament:
6 × 4.7 in (120 mm) Bofors guns (3 × 2)
4 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors AA guns (4 × 1)
4 × 21.0 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (1 × 4)
"Anti-Submarine Mortars"

 

All Armaments are only stock, WG can edit or custom them.

 

Foot Note:
(BR) = Brazil            (CO) = Colombia        (US) = USA             (EE) = Estonia
(AR) = Argentina    (VE) = Venezuela        (UK) = UK               (ES) = Spain / Espania
(CL) = Chile             (EC) = Ecuador           (RU) = Russia        (SE) = Sweden
(PE) = Peru                                                                                    (NL) = Netherlands
(MX) = Mexico                                        

I hope that you like this suggestion. 🙂

Edited by S0und_Theif
Adding European Ship sold to Pan America Branch, Adding Siete de Agosto

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Here are the Premium Ships Suggestion

Premium Battleships and Cruisers
T5
Rio de Janeiro (BR) - BB
Sold to UK as HMS Agincourt 1913

Note: Possible sold as double bundle like Boise and Nueve de Julio

14 × 12 in (305 mm)/45 guns (7 x 2)
20 × 6 in (152 mm)/50 guns (20 x 1)
10 × 3 in (76 mm) AA guns (10 x 1)


T6
Coronel Bolognesi (PE) - CL
Originally HMS Ceylon "Crown Colony Class" (UK)

Note: Possible sold as double bundle like Boise and Nueve de Julio

Armament:
9 x 6 in (152 mm)/52 guns (3 x 3)
8 x QF 4 in (102 mm)/45 DP guns (4 x 2)
16 x QF 2 pdr (40 mm) pom-pom guns (4 x 4)
10 x 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon  guns (5 x 2)
6 x 21 inch (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3)
 

T7
Almirante Latorre (CL) - CL
Originally Gota Lejon "Tre Kronor Class" (SE)

Armament:
7 × 6 in (152 mm)/53 guns (3 x 2 and 1 x 1)
20 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (5 x 4 or 10 x 2) ?
6 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon guns (6 x 1)
6 × torpedo tubes


Almirante Grau (PE) - CL
Originally De Ruyter "De Zeven Provincien" (NL)

Note: Before modification specs

Armament:
8 × 6 in (152 mm)/53 guns (4 x 2)
8 × 2.2 in (57 mm) AA guns (4 x 2)
8 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (4 x 2)
No Torp
 

Tamandare (BR) - CL
Originally USS St. Louis 1938 "St. Louis Class 1938" (US)

Note: Possible sold as double bundle like Boise and Nueve de Julio

Armament:
15 × 6in (152 mm)/47 gun (5 x 3)
8 × 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (4 x 2)
16 × 1.1 in (28 mm)/75 guns (4 x 4) or 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (4 x 4)
12 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon cannons (12 x 1)
No Torp
 


Foot Note:
(BR) = Brazil            (CO) = Colombia        (US) = USA            (EE) = Estonia
(AR) = Argentina    (VE) = Venezuela        (UK) = UK              (ES) = Spain / Espania
(CL) = Chile             (EC) = Ecuador           (RU) = Russia        (SE) = Sweden
(PE) = Peru                                                                                   (NL) = Netherlands
(MX) = Mexico                                        

I hope that you like this suggestion. 🙂

Edited by S0und_Theif

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And finally Gran Colombia Premium Destroyers (Gran Colombia Flag, as well as their respective flags like Pan-Asia and Commonwealth ships)
Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Panama

T10
Santander (CO)
Originally USS Waldron "Allen M Summer Class" (US)

Carabobo (VE)
Originally USS Beatty "Allen M Summer Class" (US)

Presdente Eloy Alfaro (EC)
Originally USS Holder "Gearing Class" (US)

Note: Possible sold as triple bundle as Gran Colombia set with Gran Colombia Flag
Note: Allen M Summer reload time is 4 seconds. Gearing reload time is 3 seconds

Armament:
6 × 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (3 x 2)
12 × 1.6 in (40 mm) Bofors guns (2 × 4 and 2 × 2) or 6 x 3 in (76 mm)/50 AA guns (2 x 2 and 2 x 1)
11 × 0.79 in (20 mm) Oerlikon cannons
10 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 5)

 

Foot Note:
(BR) = Brazil            (CO) = Colombia        (US) = USA            (EE) = Estonia
(AR) = Argentina    (VE) = Venezuela        (UK) = UK              (ES) = Spain / Espania
(CL) = Chile             (EC) = Ecuador           (RU) = Russia        (SE) = Sweden
(PE) = Peru                                                                                   (NL) = Netherlands
(MX) = Mexico                             

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Adding incomplete set of light cruisers for Pan-America.
Its the best I can dig up with what I have. Maybe WG have blue prints for T8 to T10 that the public do not know.


T2 Almirante Abreu (BR)

Armament: (Intended)
10 - 5 in (127 mm)/50 guns (10 x 1)
8 - 3 pdr (47 mm) guns (8 x 1)

Note: Originally built for Brazil, but not completed. Later bought by the US as USS Albany


T3 Bahia (BR)

Armament:
10 - 4.7 in (120 mm)/50 guns (10 x 1)
6 - 1.9 in (47 mm)/50 guns (6 x 1)
2 - 18.0 in (457 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 1)


T4 ????

Armament:
????

Note: No Data. Need Input


T5 Almirante Brown (AR)

Armament:
6 - 7.5 in (190 mm)/52 guns (3 × 2)
12 - 4 in (102 mm)/45 DP guns (6 × 2)
6 - 2 pdr (40 mm) AA guns (6 x 1)
6 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3)

Note: Like Soviet cruiser Kirov at T5, big guns but thin armor.


T6 La Argentina (AR)

Armament:
9 - 6 in (152 mm)/50 guns (3 × 2)
8 - 4 in (102 mm)/45 DP guns (4 × 2)
8 - 2 pdr (40 mm) AA guns (8 x 1)
6 - 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2 x 3)

Note: Modified Arethusa Class with 9 guns


T7 Capitan Prat (CL)

Armament:
15 - 6 in (152 mm)/47 guns (5 x 3)
8 - 5 in (130 mm)/25 DP guns (8 × 1)
16 - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors AA guns (4 x 4)
4 - 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors AA guns (2 x 2)
18 - 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlikon AA guns (18 x 1)

Note: Brooklyn class sold to Chile. Argentina and Brazil also have them,


T8 ????

Armament:
????

Note: No Data. Need Input


T9 ????

Armament:
????

Note: No Data. Need Input


T10 ????

Armament:
????

Note: No Data. Need Input

 

Nation Legend:
(BR) = Brazil                (CO) = Colombia       (US) = USA              (EE) = Estonia
(AR) = Argentina        (VE) = Venezuela       (UK) = UK                (ES) = Spain / Espania
(CL) = Chile                (EC) = Ecuador           (RU) = Russia          (SE) = Sweden
(PE) = Peru                                                                                        (NL) = Netherlands
(MX) = Mexico                            

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Adding incomplete set of battleships for Pan-America.
Its the best I can dig up with what I have. Maybe WG have blue prints for T8 to T10 that the public do not know.

T3 Minas Geraes (BR)

Armament:
12 - 12 in (305 mm)/45 guns (6 × 2)
22 - 4.7 in (120 mm)/50 guns (22 x 1)
18 - 3 pdr (47 mm) guns (18 x 1)
8 - 1 pdr (37 mm) guns (8 x 1)

Note: Only 10 guns can be fired on a full broadside. 2 guns are blocked by the super structure.


T4 Rivadavia (AR)

Armament:
12 - 12 in (305 mm)/50 guns (6 x 2)
12 - 6 in (152 mm)/50 guns (12 x 1)
16 - 4 in (102 mm) guns (16 x 1)

Note: All 12 guns can be fired if positioned correctly. Like the German Kaiser Battleship


T5 Almirante Latorre (CL)

Armament:
10 - 14 in (356 mm)/45 guns (5 x 2)
16 - 6 in (152 mm)/50 guns (16 x 1)
2 - 3 in (76 mm)  guns (2 x 1)
4 - 1.9 in (47 mm) guns (4 x 1)

Note: Never completed in Chile. Sold to Britain as HMS Canada.


T6 Riachuelo (BR)

Armament:
8 - 15 in (380 mm) guns (4 x 2)
20 - 6 in (152 mm) guns (20 x 1)
10 - 2 pdr (40 mm) guns (10 x 1)

Note: Resembles QE in many ways as Brazil was impressed with the success of QE class


T7 British K2 or K3 for South American Battleship

Armament: (K2)
8 - 15 in (356 mm)/45 guns (4 x 2)
or
8 - 16 in (406 mm)/45 guns (4 x 2)

12 - 6 in (152 mm)/50  guns (6 × 2)
6 - 4.7 in (119 mm)/40 AA guns (6 × 1)
8 - 2 pdr (40 mm) /40 AA guns (8 × 1)

Armament: (K3)
9 - 15 in (356 mm)/45 guns (3 x 3)
or
9 - 16 in (406 mm)/45 guns (3 x 3)

12 - 6 in (152 mm)/50  guns (6 × 2)
6 - 4.7 in (119 mm)/40 AA guns (6 × 1)
8 - 2 pdr (40 mm) /40 AA guns (8 × 1)

Note: This is only fictional as with the success of the QE designs, Brazil, Argentina, and Chile tried to procure further developents of the class due to South American Naval Arms Race.


T8 ????

Armament:
????

Note: No Data. Need Input


T9 ????

Armament:
????

Note: No Data. Need Input


T10 ????

Armament:
????

Note: No Data. Need Input

 

Nation Legend:
(BR) = Brazil            (CO) = Colombia        (US) = USA             (EE) = Estonia
(AR) = Argentina    (VE) = Venezuela        (UK) = UK               (ES) = Spain / Espania
(CL) = Chile             (EC) = Ecuador           (RU) = Russia        (SE) = Sweden
(PE) = Peru                                                                                    (NL) = Netherlands
(MX) = Mexico    

Edited by S0und_Theif

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