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So, warships have names. But the naming conventions of certain navies can be an interesting topic to talk about. Even if you are enjoying the game, taking a break from the game, don't play the game or have already uninstalled it, everyone can talk about ship names. Feel free to correct me, I may get things wrong.

This post concerns the ships presented within the time frame of the game, and focuses solely on the poeticism of Japanese ship names. 

Other navies try to sound bad@ss or respectful, Japanese navy tries to be poetic.

 

I want to mention the Royal Navy - most arbitrary and relaxed naming rules ever. While cruisers have better consistency, DDs have the most carefree naming rules and battleships and carriers have the most arbitrary rules. What I do like about them is that they used names of things in Greek mythology, which I like a lot.

The other navies (USN, KM, MN and RM) have relatively boring ship names and naming conventions.

 

IMPERIAL JAPANESE NAVY: most poetic names ever on warships. All names seem to have meanings behind them.

 

Battleships: names of provinces.

I wonder if WG ever add a super-stealthy paper/fantasy BB and name her "Iga" :Smile_trollface:  ("Iga" was a province known for their ninjas).

 

Battlecruisers: names of mountains. "Kongo" means "Indestructible Diamond", a mountain named after a spear in Japanese mythology. "Amagi" roughly translates into "Heaven(ly) Castle", and her sister, "Akagi" means "Red Castle".

Kongo herself was designed and built by the British. I reckon if she stayed with the RN she might be named "Indestructible". Well, remember what happened to battlecruiser HMS Invincible? :Smile_teethhappy:

 

Light cruisers: names of rivers.

 

Heavy cruisers: names of mountains. For example: "Takao" means "High (Great?) Hero" in Kanji.

Exceptions: Tone is a heavy cruiser but "Tone" is a river. Mogami is named after a river, but her name didn't change after being refitted into a heavy cruiser.

 

Aircraft carriers: most are named after mythical flying creatures, mostly dragons "Ryū"/"Ryuu" and phoenixes "Hō"/"Hou". There has never been a Japanese carrier named Suzaku ("Vermillion Bird") and Seiryū ("Azure Dragon"), though. Ships that were converted into (escort/auxiliary) carriers have their names attached with "-maru" after their old names, or retained their old names (Shinano included).

Ships in the game:

  • Hōshō/Houshou: "Flying Phoenix"
  • Zuihō/Zuihou: "Fortunate Phoenix"
  • Ryūjō/Ryuujou: "Prancing Dragon"
  • Hiryū/Hiryuu: "Flying Dragon"
  • Kaga: converted into a carrier, originally a Tosa-class battleship, named after the Kaga province.
  • Shōkaku/Shoukaku: "Soaring Crane"
  • Taihō/Taihou: "Great Phoenix"
  • Hakuryū/Hakuryu: "Snow/White Dragon"

 

Destroyers: my favorite. Most poetic ship names, period.

Ships in the game:

  • Tachibana: Japanese citrus tree. Her sisters are named after plants.
  • Umikaze: "Sea Wind". Her sister' names is "Mountain Wind".
  • Wakatake: "Bamboo Shoot". Her sisters are named after plants.
  • Isokaze: "Beach Wind". Her sisters' names are "adjective/nouns" + "wind".
  • Minekaze: "Summit Wind". Her sisters' names are "adjective/nouns" + "wind".
  • Fūjin/Fuujin: there is no historical/known IJN DD with this name. WG made this ship up, like the Dragon Myokos. "Fūjin" is the Japanese thunder deity.
  • Kamikaze: "Divine Wind". This name existed long before the suicidal aircrafts.
  • Mutsuki: "January". Her sisters are named after months or phases of the moon.
  • Fubuki: "Blizzard". Her sisters are named after natural phenomenon.
  • Hatsuharu: ”Early Spring”. Her sisters are named after times of day or of year. 
  • Shinonome: ”Daybreak". Sister ship of Fubuki.
  • Akatsuki: "Dawn". Her sisters are Hibiki ("Echo"), Ikazuchi ("Thunder") and Inazuma ("Lightning"). Natural phenomenon.
  • Shiratsuyu: ”White Dew”. Her sisters are named after natural phenomenon. Yūdachi (poi) means "Evening Squall".
  • Akizuki: "Autumn Moon". Her sisters' names are "adjective/nouns" + "moon".
  • Kagerō/Kagerou: "Mirage". Her sisters are named after natural phenomenon. I want her sister, Yukikaze ("Snowy Wind") to be in the game.
  • Asashio: "Morning Tide". Her sisters' names are "adjective/nouns" + "tide"/"cloud". The non-conforming two are: Arare "Hailstone" and Kasumi "Haze".
  • Harekaze: HSF Wiki says the name means "Sunny Wind". This is a fictional ship, historically Kagerō-class had no member with this name.
  • Yūgumo/Yuugumo: "Evening Clouds". Her built sisters' names are "adjective/nouns" + "cloud"/"wave".
  • Kitakaze: "Northern Wind". This is a name in the Super Akizuki-class (project V7).
  • Shimakaze: "Island Wind". Torpedo-carrying wind, I guess.
  • Harugumo: "Spring Cloud". Cloud that rains steel.

Somewhat a shame that they have no DD that is named "Blood Moon" (for Akizuki-class ships) or "Lunar/Solar Eclipse"... :Smile_unsure:

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Ayy lmao, a thread without CV rants... Finally :Smile_izmena:

 

The Japanese ship has great names and i love it. 

 

Like Shimakaze : 岛风

 Harugumo/Harrassgumo : 清云

Yamato : 大和

Musashi/ Yamasushi : 武藏

 

Names sounds cool and do bring fear 

 

Meanwhile US named their ship based on states.

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I kind of enjoy how France name their DD, notably the in game Le Terrible , which belong to the class of large destroyer project 1930 , the class had a total of 6 ships, the Le Fantasque, Le Malin, Le Terrible, L'Indomtable, L'Audacieux, and Le Triomphant,

 

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battlecruiser is considered to have same role as Heavy Cruiser by IJN - a First Line Cruiser or Frontlines Cruiser with more than 8000 ton displacement. 

 

RN names actualy an Inheritence of their long history. RN often commision ship with same name as the predacesor (Like there 6 ships that Named Victory from diffrent time period for example). often time those predacesor names come from Diffrent era where "spesific" names are the trend. 

Early 18th, the British convention used after royalty or Localities, there Elizabeth, Royal soverign, Mary, Katherine, Royal Oak, or places like London, York, Edinburgh Etc

in the late 18th century, the british have grown so much size that some epic creature from legends start being use Neptune, Ajax, Orion, Minotour etc

When Scottish join the UK, the names of existing Ships and new ship were changed to reflect or inspire patriotism, the name like Conqeror, Invincible, Illustrious, Valiant, Revenge, Britania etc

At the end of the century, the RN start using his own heroes and the Glorious RN History, we have ships like Nelson, Trafalgar, Rodney etc

and Yeah, also Queen can personaly pick a name by herself

 

Thats why RN names seems chaotic, there like 4 ships named after Nelson, 6 ships named Victory, 7 edinburgh, 8 Royal Soverign and so on. those ship carry the name over many generations - it might not as poetic but it carry long legacy and pride

 

 

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Nice write up. The naming conventions have always been very interesting.

4 hours ago, Paladinum said:

Heavy cruisers: names of mountains. For example: "Takao" means "High (Great?) Hero" in Kanji.

Exceptions: Tone is a heavy cruiser but "Tone" is a river. Mogami is named after a river, but her name didn't change after being refitted into a heavy cruiser. 

I could be wrong, but I believe the name convention is also tied to ship role somewhat. Hence both battlecruisers and heavy cruisers being named after mountains. That could be why Tone and her sister Chikuma (not in the in-game Chikuma) were named after rivers like the light cruisers and not mountains. At that time light cruisers usually acted as scouts for the fleet; Tone and Chikuma were designed to be "scouting" cruisers by providing long-range recon with their seaplanes.

For the Americans, the DDs were named after people, the cruisers were named after towns and cities, the battleships were named after states, and aircraft carriers were named after famous battles. Of course there would be some exceptions.

As for the British, their naming scheme is usually tied to ship class. In that sense they are similar to the Japanese. For example, the Tribal class DDs were named after tribes like Cossack, the Town class cruisers would be named after towns and cities, Crown Colony class after British colonies. The BBs were pretty chaotic though, but usually named after royalty or military leaders.

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19 minutes ago, THAI_THIEF said:

What about Shinano and others?

Shinano, as a former Yamato-class battleship, is named after the ancient Shinano province.

 

Ships laid down as a class but finished as another keep their former namesake rules (e.g Kaga which was originally a Tosa-class battleship but was turned into a CV).

Also, Amagi wasn't renamed Akagi. The two are distinct ships.

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one of them was structurally damaged during an earthquake about 1923 or so IIRC, while being converted into a carrier, & it was considered to be impractical to repair, so the other was substituted instead...

 

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7 hours ago, Mechfori said:

L'Indomtable, L'Audacieux, and Le Triomphant,

There are HMS Indomitable and HMS Audacious, ya know :Smile_trollface: 

 

4 hours ago, Thyaliad said:

As for the British, their naming scheme is usually tied to ship class. In that sense they are similar to the Japanese.

Nah, their naming rules are usually on what sounds cool, and overlapping over ship types. Most of their DD classes don't give a **** about themes or a specific rule, just "Open the dictionary and find cool words that start with this here letter". At least one BB class is like that (Revenge-class), also a few cruiser classes and A WHOLE LOT of DD classes (from A to Z).

CV and battlecruiser classes use mostly cool-sounding adjectives. Like Renown, Repulse, Audacious, Courageous, Invincible (this ship exploded at the Battle of Jutland), etc.

 

8 hours ago, waichung1823 said:

Ayy lmao, a thread without CV rants... Finally :Smile_izmena:

 

The Japanese ship has great names and i love it. 

 

Yamato : 大和

 

Names sounds cool and do bring fear 

IIRC "Yamato" does have the meaning, it's "Great Harmony" or "Great Peace"

 

@TD1 My mistake. Thank for pointing out. Edited that part.

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The thing is, the RN is the closest there is to come to poeticism of the IJN naming conventions for their DDs, and they aren't close at all. I think it ties into the linguistics and not just their sense of poetry. The IJN is also the only navy I know of does not use names of people.

Some of their smaller ships do have "poetic" names like the Flower-class corvette, Black Swan-class sloop, and many other classes of smaller ships.

But HMS AUTUMN MOON? HMS SPRING CLOUD? HMS DIVINE WIND???????

 

Also, ship name change in WoWS is a thing, feast your eyes:

Cruiser line: first-letter basis. DD line: female names (most are Roman goddesses), first letter of the official name in-game. Gallant -> Greyhound (her sister ship), Vanguard -> Vainglory (the most fitting adjective).

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Well actually its far simpler, Yamato was named after a historically present feudal state established in ancient Japan circa 757 A.D. That goes the same for many of Japanese BB's name , including Yamato's sister, Mushashi. As well as Mutsu, Nagato, Yamashiro

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11 hours ago, THAI_THIEF said:

What about Shinano and others?

Shinano was named after yet another historical Japanese feudal state

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Don't try to implement states name like US did to there BB line. 

In Japan they call ships as they see fit with very honorable manner.

IJN is very honorable

名誉ある日本海軍 

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12 hours ago, Thyaliad said:

I could be wrong, but I believe the name convention is also tied to ship role somewhat. Hence both battlecruisers and heavy cruisers being named after mountains. That could be why Tone and her sister Chikuma (not in the in-game Chikuma) were named after rivers like the light cruisers and not mountains. At that time light cruisers usually acted as scouts for the fleet; Tone and Chikuma were designed to be "scouting" cruisers by providing long-range recon with their seaplanes.

JSMDF still use same naming convention. capital ships above 7500 tons is named after mountain

Tone Class were originaly planned as Light Cruiser, that can be "upgunned" like Mogami (since there is treaty limitation and such that restricted construction quota of Heavy Cruiser). - infact Tone and Chikuma were supposed to be 5 and 6 of mogami sisters.

During revision phase of the Design, Japan dont give a dime about treaty anymore. so She and her sister re-built as new class with 203mm gun from the get go. but the Name already put in Naval registery, so it stick till the end.

and in IJN Doctrine Scouting were the role of Floatplanes from all Battleship and Cruiser. Light Cruiser were supposed to lead Destroyer squadron

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46 minutes ago, MD047 said:

Don't try to implement states name like US did to there BB line. 

In Japan and many other nations, provinces are basically states. Well, in the old Japan that is.

If they don't drop the POETIC AF naming convention for their DDs, I honestly don't really care.

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1 hour ago, humusz said:

JSMDF still use same naming convention. capital ships above 7500 tons is named after mountain

Tone Class were originaly planned as Light Cruiser, that can be "upgunned" like Mogami (since there is treaty limitation and such that restricted construction quota of Heavy Cruiser). - infact Tone and Chikuma were supposed to be 5 and 6 of mogami sisters.

During revision phase of the Design, Japan dont give a dime about treaty anymore. so She and her sister re-built as new class with 203mm gun from the get go. but the Name already put in Naval registery, so it stick till the end.

and in IJN Doctrine Scouting were the role of Floatplanes from all Battleship and Cruiser. Light Cruiser were supposed to lead Destroyer squadron

Ah that would explain it.

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51 minutes ago, Paladinum said:

If they don't drop the POETIC AF naming convention for their DDs, 

Well, they still there doesnt it ?

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18 minutes ago, humusz said:

Shiranui

"(Sea) Phosphorescent/Ghost Light"

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I play War in the Pacific a lot (bit too much tbh...)

My favorite ship name is this one. And yes, it eventually usually does.

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Then... how about this... :cap_fainting:

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Named after battleship (and become hybrid battleship-carrier later), they called it a destroyer(ish), but actually it (can be converted into) is an aircraft carrier?. They should named it Hiryuu, Souryuu, Shokaku or Zuikaku... :Smile_child:

Same things happen to DDH-183 Izumo and DDH-184 Kaga. But Kaga's name still acceptable (maybe) because it's converted from BB hull into CV.

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46 minutes ago, Sharr_Dextera said:

Then... how about this... :cap_fainting:

Named after battleship (and become hybrid battleship-carrier later), they called it a destroyer(ish), but actually it (can be converted into) is an aircraft carrier?. They should named it Hiryuu, Souryuu, Shokaku or Zuikaku... :Smile_child:

Same things happen to DDH-183 Izumo and DDH-184 Kaga. But Kaga's name still acceptable (maybe) because it's converted from BB hull into CV.

Politics, Japan not allowed to build carrier or more correctly Amphibius Assault Ships

But Japan want Marines, made Marines branch - gib suplementary Ships for the branch. Classify it as Destroyer to circumtances Political legal things.

 

Politics superceed Navy Naming convention, Congress or Parliement were the one that can cut or allocate the Money for it afterall. some example

Seawolf Class Subs have 3 boats. Seawolf - Conneticut and Jimmy Carter. thats is named after a FISH, A State and A President. how random is that ?

3rd of New US Navy Supercarrier named Enterprise, a departure from traditional President based name, it because congress want decomisioned Old Enterprise and announce the New Enterprise at the same time. which Politicaly a good move

one of Virginia class ships also named after Admiral (Hyman G rickover) - he was pioneer of Nuclear Navy, and have work for Navy for 64 years. Navy then immidietly renamed one of the Virginia class that being build for honor of the Man that soon to be retired

Zumwalt Destroyer were originaly part of CGX -New Generation of Cruiser. but it reclassify so it dont get cut when budget restructured. (bigger class = more expensive, yes its a ruse basicly)

Ships naming convention is not rigid 

 

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7 minutes ago, humusz said:

Politics, Japan not allowed to build carrier or more correctly Amphibius Assault Ships

But Japan want Marines, made Marines branch - gib suplementary Ships for the branch. Classify it as Destroyer to circumtances Political legal things.

 

Politics superceed Navy Naming convention, Congress or Parliement were the one that can cut or allocate the Money for it afterall. some example

Seawolf Class Subs have 3 boats. Seawolf - Conneticut and Jimmy Carter. thats is named after a FISH, A State and A President. how random is that ?

3rd of New US Navy Supercarrier named Enterprise, a departure from traditional President based name, it because congress want decomisioned Old Enterprise and announce the New Enterprise at the same time. which Politicaly a good move

Zumwalt Destroyer were originaly part of CGX -New Generation of Cruiser. but it reclassify so it dont get cut when budget restructured. (bigger class = more expensive, yes its a ruse basicly)

Ships naming convention is not rigid 

 

Just like John Warner... :cap_old:

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58 minutes ago, Sharr_Dextera said:

 

Named after battleship (and become hybrid battleship-carrier later), they called it a destroyer(ish), but actually it (can be converted into) is an aircraft carrier?.

This is due to Article 9 of the Japanese constitution which states that "Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation"

Over the years they have interpreted the Article 9 and as it currently stands Japan cannot hold offensive military weapons, this means that Japan  cannot have ICBMs, nuclear weapons, aircraft carriers or bomber fleets etc......

 

But if they call an Aircraft Carrier a Destroyer they are not "technically" breaking the rules

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A little bit OOT...

But IMO, judging by the change of situation on that region recently, they should make an amandement to Article 9. Especially when one of your neighbours planned to add more carriers in the future, and acting "a little bit agressive" more oftenly. Also, one of your allies sometimes disagree with your policy or your actions. Pacifism doesn't resolve anything if you are the weak one. And you can't always rely on your strongest ally without any compromise.

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38 minutes ago, Sharr_Dextera said:

A little bit OOT...

But IMO, judging by the change of situation on that region recently, they should make an amandement to Article 9. Especially when one of your neighbours planned to add more carriers in the future, and acting "a little bit agressive" more oftenly. Also, one of your allies sometimes disagree with your policy or your actions. Pacifism doesn't resolve anything if you are the weak one. And you can't always rely on your strongest ally without any compromise.

You seems not know or forget, but JSMDF is one of the strongest Navies currently

With 46000 personel. And 114 surface vesel.  46 of it vessels were first line destroyer and frigate, with aegis equiped classes like kongo, atago and maya as core of the fleet.

to give you comparasion, in term of Conventional Forces (non Nuclear Deterence) - its Stronger than French and British Navy - COMBINED

 

Pacifist doesnt mean they weak lol

 

and oh yeah, those IJN carrier article 9 histeria yada yada. they have Amphibius Assault Ship with limited Aviation capability since 1995. China just not have leverage or International position for its complain to be heard lol

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