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My reasons for why Giulio shouldn't be moved to T6 that way.

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Please be cautious when doing that.Refund doubloon isn't a satisfactory choice.

Some players get this ship by Mega Santa's Gift.Why they choose that way?Because in the advertisement of Santa Gifts,WG said Giulio Cesare will be as rare as Kamikaze,Nikolai I and etc.(I've screenshoted it)

Also this ship can't simply go T6 without any buff.T6 means highly likely entering T8 fights.Bigger map and so on.This ship's firing range and HP pool is not qualified.

Also if this starts the case of "nerfing Premium",not a single premium ship is safe.

I don't care much about a certain ship,but I do care the honesty and credibility of the company whose product I bought.

(First sell a OP ship,get $,and nerf it,refund doubloon,still get $,that's awful)

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1 hour ago, User_1145141919810 said:

Also this ship can't simply go T6 without any buff

They are putting the ship like that to see if the ship (right now) is good enough for T6. You don't have to worry too much, it's Dev Blog, and WG have a history of ignoring players' feedback.

Without doubt at T6 the ship needs buffs.

 

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1 hour ago, User_1145141919810 said:

Also this ship can't simply go T6 without any buff.T6 means highly likely entering T8 fights.Bigger map and so on.This ship's firing range and HP pool is not qualified.

Also if this starts the case of "nerfing Premium",not a single premium ship is safe.

(First sell a OP ship,get $,and nerf it,refund doubloon,still get $,that's awful)

I don't know what they're doing TBH. they sell the ship saying So and So is the main feature.. then few patches down are gonna say OH IT WAS A MISTAKE.

 

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11 minutes ago, Aaditya_AJ said:

OH IT WAS A MISTAKE.

I can hear, from across the Pacific, NA players saying that about the CV rework:Smile_teethhappy:

 

About nerfing premiums by uptier them: not bad if low enough tier (like Konig Albert), but T6 will see T8 and is that supposed to be a good "nerf"? I'm no fan of sealclubbing ships, but it'd be better just to nerf the stats of the ships, and not uptiering them. Azuma being downtiered and nerfed accordingly and the feedback on Dev Blog hasn't been very... positive.

Oh, and you know that premium ship price increases with their tier, right?

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don't like balancing and want that Gulio to be more broken on its tier (typical player greed personality)
and then sooner or later
He will blame WG again for releasing P2W ships while developer right now is testing this stuff to solve that problem
this test will be a big impact for other OP prem ships too. 

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So, What if...

They gonna take tier 5  premium Giulio from its owner (for any reason), give them doubloons compensation. And then put back Giulio to market as tier 6 premium, add an extra cost, and hope that previous Giulio owner buy her back with tier 6 premium price??

Pardon me, but can I think that is a Scam???

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1 hour ago, Paladinum said:

I can hear, from across the Pacific, NA players saying that about the CV rework:Smile_teethhappy:

 

About nerfing premiums by uptier them: not bad if low enough tier (like Konig Albert), but T6 will see T8 and is that supposed to be a good "nerf"? I'm no fan of sealclubbing ships, but it'd be better just to nerf the stats of the ships, and not uptiering them. Azuma being downtiered and nerfed accordingly and the feedback on Dev Blog hasn't been very... positive.

Oh, and you know that premium ship price increases with their tier, right?

I'm totaly agreed with your opinion.

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21 分鐘前,RalphTheTheatreCat 說:

I'm horrified that this is being considered.

So do I.This is the biggest worry.Easily to change a Premium,my money finally goes to where I don't like and I can't get my $ back,just doubloons.......

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If they want to make a T6 version of the GC, fine. Do so and call it something else.

But pulling this sort of crap on something people have paid for is just the shadiest of business practices.

I wonder if they have moved anyone e to the WOWS team from WOT?

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3 hours ago, Paladinum said:

I can hear, from across the Pacific, NA players saying that about the CV rework:Smile_teethhappy:

 

About nerfing premiums by uptier them: not bad if low enough tier (like Konig Albert), but T6 will see T8 and is that supposed to be a good "nerf"? I'm no fan of sealclubbing ships, but it'd be better just to nerf the stats of the ships, and not uptiering them. Azuma being downtiered and nerfed accordingly and the feedback on Dev Blog hasn't been very... positive.

Oh, and you know that premium ship price increases with their tier, right?

I wasn't talking about CV rework.

But was talking about ships like Belfast,GZ etc. And the spotting bloom bug they removed this patch was actually a feature few patches ago.

I think even albert was brought by players so it is still defying the consumer and seller agreements. But if they like want to work on everything then why did they wait this long.

This is almost becoming a pattern now, Which needs to stop

1 hour ago, Sharr_Dextera said:

So, What if...

They gonna take tier 5  premium Giulio from its owner (for any reason), give them doubloons compensation. And then put back Giulio to market as tier 6 premium, add an extra cost, and hope that previous Giulio owner buy her back with tier 6 premium price??

Pardon me, but can I think that is a Scam???

Main reason for this to happen is because they make a ship don't do enough testing (not blaming STs here) by their own development team and push out/rush out patches. And they don't even warn players ahead saying this might be subjected to change in future. Hence having problems with the player base.

But yeah once they released it shouldn't say go back on it saying it is a mistake. I mean Consumer himself has some rights that protect him of his product. Even if it mean it is virtual product.

1 hour ago, RalphTheTheatreCat said:

I'm horrified that this is being considered.

Well WG has Idk changed it's ways for the worse.

49 minutes ago, User_1145141919810 said:

So do I.This is the biggest worry.Easily to change a Premium,my money finally goes to where I don't like and I can't get my $ back,just doubloons.......

Yeah I didn't see players complain about GC as much as Belfast,GZ or Alabama ST but still are pushing so make changes

Is this game not player friendly anymore? 

also fix the damn UI Anything that needs changes first is the damn UI. Like what even is the point of adding new patches if your UI has Freezes,Crashes,Frame Drops.

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The GC was removed early and they said they wouldn't sell it again.  So what do they do.  Have a fire sale in the prem shop then put it crates.

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49 分鐘前,Aaditya_AJ 說:

 

also fix the damn UI Anything that needs changes first is the damn UI. Like what even is the point of adding new patches if your UI has Freezes,Crashes,Frame Drops.

Agree.UI crashes pretty often since 0.8.0

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Atlanta just got nerfed, no warning, no notification, only players noticed it.

I imagine ALL premium ships have been "nerfed" due to AA rebalancing.

Recommend refund on all premium ships is offered.

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54 minutes ago, ColFirefly said:

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Yeah, because GC at Tier 5 is **totally** balanced.  The numbers tell a compelling story.

 

Find a ship with that much difference same class and tier.

These figures are from the EU server.

The stats in the Asia server are higher in most categories

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Nation
Win rate
Avg. frags
Avg. damage
Avg. experience
Avg. planes destroyed
Kills / deaths
Giulio Cesare Italy 82.06 % 2.03 83 929 1 831 3.23 8.85
Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya U.S.S.R. 74.29 % 1.59 68 087 1 517 3.10 5.25
Texas U.S.A. 77.73 % 1.52 67 224 1 741 6.88 4.86
König Germany 72.65 % 1.49 64 387 1 472 3.84 4.31
ARP Kongō Japan 74.89 % 1.46 64 791 1 532 3.12 4.75
ARP Kirishima Japan 73.14 % 1.42 62 983 1 467 2.98 4.49
ARP Hiei Japan 73.02 % 1.36 61 021 1 434 3.25 4.28
ARP Haruna Japan 75.20 % 1.34 61 871 1 444 4.57 3.88
Bretagne France 70.04 % 1.34 57 479 1 293 2.64 3.44
Iron Duke U.K. 72.31 % 1.34 64 056 1 348 2.54 3.82
New York U.S.A. 69.28 % 1.27 55 800 1 417 1.77 3.46
Kongo Japan 68.45 % 1.24 55 790 1 385 2.66 3.68
 
Nation
Win rate
Avg. frags
Avg. damage
Avg. experience
Avg. planes destroyed
Kills / deaths
Giulio Cesare Italy 78.23 % 1.91 80 087 1 756 2.86 7.28
Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya U.S.S.R. 70.84 % 1.47 64 637 1 439 2.76 4.46
Texas U.S.A. 73.43 % 1.41 63 955 1 657 6.05 4.12
König Germany 69.01 % 1.38 60 674 1 367 3.20 3.63
ARP Kongō Japan 71.39 % 1.35 61 419 1 430 2.71 3.97
ARP Kirishima Japan 69.82 % 1.30 59 440 1 355 2.53 3.71
ARP Hiei Japan 69.58 % 1.26 57 497 1 308 2.74 3.59
Iron Duke U.K. 68.20 % 1.25 60 444 1 272 2.22 3.22
Bretagne France 66.54 % 1.24 53 753 1 207 2.29 2.89
ARP Haruna Japan 71.23 % 1.23 57 948 1 324 3.70 3.25
New York U.S.A. 66.02 % 1.16 52 052 1 311 1.52 2.91
Kongo Japan 65.39 % 1.13 51 789 1 272 2.32 3.06
 
Nation
Win rate
Avg. frags
Avg. damage
Avg. experience
Avg. planes destroyed
Kills / deaths
Giulio Cesare Italy 72.48 % 1.74 74 346 1 637 2.38 5.53
Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya U.S.S.R. 65.47 % 1.30 59 558 1 306 2.29 3.48
Texas U.S.A. 67.68 % 1.25 58 242 1 515 5.01 3.18
ARP Kongō Japan 65.99 % 1.21 56 064 1 250 2.25 3.13
König Germany 64.05 % 1.19 54 677 1 198 2.51 2.82
ARP Kirishima Japan 64.68 % 1.14 53 751 1 178 2.09 2.86
ARP Hiei Japan 64.37 % 1.10 51 628 1 125 2.17 2.77
Iron Duke U.K. 62.97 % 1.10 54 788 1 146 1.82 2.53
ARP Haruna Japan 65.43 % 1.08 51 867 1 146 2.74 2.49
Bretagne France 61.68 % 1.05 48 288 1 068 1.88 2.25
New York U.S.A. 60.90 % 1.00 46 280 1 142 1.23 2.26
Kongo Japan 60.65 % 0.97 45 796 1 098 1.90 2.34
 
Nation
Win rate
Avg. frags
Avg. damage
Avg. experience
Avg. planes destroyed
Kills / deaths
Giulio Cesare Italy 67.28 %   68 684 1 505 2.02 4.34
Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya U.S.S.R. 60.91 % 1.15 54 780 1 182 1.92 2.80
Texas U.S.A. 62.42 % 1.09 52 542 1 361 4.16 2.53
ARP Kongō Japan 61.52 % 1.05 50 668 1 093 1.91 2.48
König Germany 59.29 % 1.05 48 940 1 049 2.03 2.25
ARP Kirishima Japan 60.00 % 0.98 48 181 1 031 1.77 2.26
ARP Hiei Japan 59.57 % 0.95 46 022 985 1.79 2.16
Iron Duke U.K. 57.46 % 0.95 49 314 1 021 1.52 2.01
ARP Haruna Japan 60.62 % 0.92 46 298 1 006 2.13 1.96
Bretagne France 56.88 % 0.90 43 154 946 1.54 1.77
New York U.S.A. 56.37 % 0.85 40 827 996 0.99 1.78
Kongo     0        
 

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Eh?  Are you agreeing with me or trying to rebut me???

 

Because those numbers show a greater disparity, not a smaller one.  With the only BB coming close is the Texas, but oh wait!  Plane kills account for the closeness of its XP vs GC.  Something that 0.8 has tossed in the bin.

 

Not to mention pretty much equivalent K/D ratios by percentage.

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15 minutes ago, ColFirefly said:

Eh?  Are you agreeing with me or trying to rebut me???

 

Because those numbers show a greater disparity, not a smaller one.  With the only BB coming close is the Texas, but oh wait!  Plane kills account for the closeness of its XP vs GC.  Something that 0.8 has tossed in the bin.

 

Not to mention pretty much equivalent K/D ratios by percentage.

I'm agreeing with you, just trying to show the stats are even higher here

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29 分鐘前,Jayde2405 說:

These figures are from the EU server.

The stats in the Asia server are higher in most categories

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Nation
Win rate
Avg. frags
Avg. damage
Avg. experience
Avg. planes destroyed
Kills / deaths
Giulio Cesare Italy 82.06 % 2.03 83 929 1 831 3.23 8.85
Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya U.S.S.R. 74.29 % 1.59 68 087 1 517 3.10 5.25
Texas U.S.A. 77.73 % 1.52 67 224 1 741 6.88 4.86
König Germany 72.65 % 1.49 64 387 1 472 3.84 4.31
ARP Kongō Japan 74.89 % 1.46 64 791 1 532 3.12 4.75
ARP Kirishima Japan 73.14 % 1.42 62 983 1 467 2.98 4.49
ARP Hiei Japan 73.02 % 1.36 61 021 1 434 3.25 4.28
ARP Haruna Japan 75.20 % 1.34 61 871 1 444 4.57 3.88
Bretagne France 70.04 % 1.34 57 479 1 293 2.64 3.44
Iron Duke U.K. 72.31 % 1.34 64 056 1 348 2.54 3.82
New York U.S.A. 69.28 % 1.27 55 800 1 417 1.77 3.46
Kongo Japan 68.45 % 1.24 55 790 1 385 2.66 3.68
 
Nation
Win rate
Avg. frags
Avg. damage
Avg. experience
Avg. planes destroyed
Kills / deaths
Giulio Cesare Italy 78.23 % 1.91 80 087 1 756 2.86 7.28
Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya U.S.S.R. 70.84 % 1.47 64 637 1 439 2.76 4.46
Texas U.S.A. 73.43 % 1.41 63 955 1 657 6.05 4.12
König Germany 69.01 % 1.38 60 674 1 367 3.20 3.63
ARP Kongō Japan 71.39 % 1.35 61 419 1 430 2.71 3.97
ARP Kirishima Japan 69.82 % 1.30 59 440 1 355 2.53 3.71
ARP Hiei Japan 69.58 % 1.26 57 497 1 308 2.74 3.59
Iron Duke U.K. 68.20 % 1.25 60 444 1 272 2.22 3.22
Bretagne France 66.54 % 1.24 53 753 1 207 2.29 2.89
ARP Haruna Japan 71.23 % 1.23 57 948 1 324 3.70 3.25
New York U.S.A. 66.02 % 1.16 52 052 1 311 1.52 2.91
Kongo Japan 65.39 % 1.13 51 789 1 272 2.32 3.06
 
Nation
Win rate
Avg. frags
Avg. damage
Avg. experience
Avg. planes destroyed
Kills / deaths
Giulio Cesare Italy 72.48 % 1.74 74 346 1 637 2.38 5.53
Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya U.S.S.R. 65.47 % 1.30 59 558 1 306 2.29 3.48
Texas U.S.A. 67.68 % 1.25 58 242 1 515 5.01 3.18
ARP Kongō Japan 65.99 % 1.21 56 064 1 250 2.25 3.13
König Germany 64.05 % 1.19 54 677 1 198 2.51 2.82
ARP Kirishima Japan 64.68 % 1.14 53 751 1 178 2.09 2.86
ARP Hiei Japan 64.37 % 1.10 51 628 1 125 2.17 2.77
Iron Duke U.K. 62.97 % 1.10 54 788 1 146 1.82 2.53
ARP Haruna Japan 65.43 % 1.08 51 867 1 146 2.74 2.49
Bretagne France 61.68 % 1.05 48 288 1 068 1.88 2.25
New York U.S.A. 60.90 % 1.00 46 280 1 142 1.23 2.26
Kongo Japan 60.65 % 0.97 45 796 1 098 1.90 2.34
 
Nation
Win rate
Avg. frags
Avg. damage
Avg. experience
Avg. planes destroyed
Kills / deaths
Giulio Cesare Italy 67.28 %   68 684 1 505 2.02 4.34
Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya U.S.S.R. 60.91 % 1.15 54 780 1 182 1.92 2.80
Texas U.S.A. 62.42 % 1.09 52 542 1 361 4.16 2.53
ARP Kongō Japan 61.52 % 1.05 50 668 1 093 1.91 2.48
König Germany 59.29 % 1.05 48 940 1 049 2.03 2.25
ARP Kirishima Japan 60.00 % 0.98 48 181 1 031 1.77 2.26
ARP Hiei Japan 59.57 % 0.95 46 022 985 1.79 2.16
Iron Duke U.K. 57.46 % 0.95 49 314 1 021 1.52 2.01
ARP Haruna Japan 60.62 % 0.92 46 298 1 006 2.13 1.96
Bretagne France 56.88 % 0.90 43 154 946 1.54 1.77
New York U.S.A. 56.37 % 0.85 40 827 996 0.99 1.78
Kongo     0        
 

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I agree that this ship is OP, but it shouldn't be "balanced" this way. Especially when in Santa Crate event,WG said this ship will be as rare as Kamikaze,Greamy etc. Not a single formal announcement was released before.

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2 minutes ago, User_1145141919810 said:

I agree that this ship is OP, but it shouldn't be "balanced" this way. Especially when in Santa Crate event,WG said this ship will be as rare as Kamikaze,Greamy etc. Not a single formal announcement was released before.

Giulio is my favourite ship.   I don't really want them to do this but can appreciate they feel the need to do something.   I think this sets a bad precedent changing the tier.

I will be keeping the Giulio no matter what they do.

 


 

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2 分鐘前,Jayde2405 說:

Giulio is my favourite ship.   I don't really want them to do this but can appreciate they feel the need to do something.   I think this sets a bad precedent changing the tier.

I will be keeping the Giulio no matter what they do.

 


 

Actually stats cheats.Balance simply rely on stats leads to wrong nerfs.

One example is Khabarovsk.It has good average damage,but simply because it is a gunboat and can set fire easily.The same 10k damage,done on BB and DD has totally different meanings.

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37 minutes ago, User_1145141919810 said:

Actually stats cheats.Balance simply rely on stats leads to wrong nerfs.

One example is Khabarovsk.It has good average damage,but simply because it is a gunboat and can set fire easily.The same 10k damage,done on BB and DD has totally different meanings.

Stats tell many lies.  Look at the WR stats for all the T5 BBs.  Only one has a WR less than 50% (NY 49.81%).   How do so many T5 BBs have above 50% ?    Some significantly so.  Shouldn't the average WR across ALL  T5 BBs be around 50% considering there should be about as many losers as there are winners.

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21 hours ago, Paladinum said:

Oh, and you know that premium ship price increases with their tier, right?

No, It is the opposite, WG is testing a marketing trick.

It is easier to sale an over powered ship, but risk of breaking the game balance. while introducing new lines and ships to powercreep/balance the existing ships requir a lot work. So WG is testing players reaction, by simple and crude way of up tieing  the ship in MM to powercreep/balace it without doing a lot of work. 

Easy to sale would make more money, it is good for their business, then without need to do a lot of work to balance the game, that is even better for the business. Playing smart erh.

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