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Russian DDs - Khaba line - still competitive?

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I’m thinking about playing some of the Russian DDs.  They look like a lot of fun to play.

 

But are they still competitive?  That is, for random battles.

 

My sense is that they’ve had a lot of nerfs and may no longer be competitive.

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It is competitive if you know what you are doing. This line is very RNG based and skill based.

A Khaba constantly harrassing near a cap is esp punishing to larger ships. If there are little to no cruisers present , it can punish entire flank.

The line is also very dependant on map , on maps with a lot of cover , it is crap. But on open maps they rock like a rolling train.

The combo of high mobility and mid range high gun performance allow them to constantly check and delay flank , as well as punishing most dd in tier spread if they are spotted.

This line however is very poor on the scouting job ( passive scouting ) , it really rely on scouting by fire and uncover enemies through their retaliation.

You will need : good 6th sense , good driving skill and good map awareness to make use of these dds.

THIS IS NOT A DD LINE IN ITS TRADITIONAL SENSE. It is a light cruiser with russian rockets tapped to its kneel.

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5 hours ago, Prometheus_____ said:

I’m thinking about playing some of the Russian DDs.  They look like a lot of fun to play.

 

But are they still competitive?  That is, for random battles.

 

My sense is that they’ve had a lot of nerfs and may no longer be competitive.

no, no it is not, kahbba is hands down the most useless T10 by far and is completey inferior to harugmuo in every way except speed

 

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Other than being annoying to deal with, Khaba is useless for Capping. Just makes the life harder for the other Destroyers on the team.

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Well the proposed buff WG saying to be bestowed onto the Soviet DD line pretty much tell you what its like , WOWS used to start with a good balance of DD vs CA vs BB circle of game play, but then they decide DD is too much fun and they all went for the big gun oriented approach and nerf the DD early on, then come CV, CL, more branch, Hydro, Rada and now more Radar and rework Cv. the buff simply acknowledge tha they had neglect the game balancing on most DD for long and made their game play broken.

DD are mean to be play stealth and sneak up to scout, spot, and attack, but the whole deal these days is DD cannot stealth with all the Radar, Hydro, Aerial elements, and even stealthy CL / CA , the Soviet gunboat usually suffer the most as the generally had the worst concealment ut this apply to others too and not only that WG had not balance the DD output ... the IJN traditional DD line should really had their guns buffed especially at the mid to top tiers.

Soviet gunboats are best play as mid to long range or simply act as convey escort to the CA / BB ; the are just not good at hiding, not good at scouting, and not good at spotting ( some cruiser can bes them in stealth ) No they are not worse than other branch'd DD but the play different .. you are driving a super fast CL with paper thin armor and small guns in these DD so to speak

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Well the line isn't bad from Gnevny up.  Tashkent in particular is a fantastic ship, it has had a lot of buffs and is the pinnacle of run and gun DD play in the game.  Reasonable concealment to enable stealth torping and disengaging combined with extremely high speed and excellent range, which it can properly utilise now it has B-2-U turrets instead of the less capable at range B-2LM turrets it used to have.

The Khaba on the other hand has had continual nerfs to the point where it is by far the worst T10 DD.  It is significantly worse than Tashkent even ignoring the tier difference.  Terrible concealment, terrible rudder shift, short range guns, very short range torps (on a standoff ship!), and now it is one of only two DD's in the game that can take BB AP reg pens.  It would need significant buffs to be balanced.  It's main problem is that it is extremely easy to hit with T10 high velocity cruisers and all T10 BB's at it's standard operating range of 12-13km.  The Tashkent can maneuvre out of incoming shells more effectively, and has the range to get effective fire in from further away making it much more difficult to hit.

My advice would be if you want the classic run and gun play style of Russian DD's, then go to Tashkent, enjoy it, and never buy Khaba.

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Khaba is great if there are 3 or more DDs on your team, or a cv. Then you don't need to worry about caps or scouting and can support and harrass enemy radar cruisers and BBs, and any DD that gets spotted. At 12-13km you are nearly impossible to hit for enemy BBs and can hold off a group of them with near impunity. Great fun. 

If you are the only DD on your team, or one of two, it's a bit of a disaster as you can't cap or scout very effectively, and the team is at a real disadvantage. 

Can still have a lot of fun - but probably on losing side. 

 

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To be fair, Khaba is not what it use to be specially after adding Harugumo the killer and Worcester like bear in game.

Khaba has speed and good shell speed, But that doesn't come near Harugumo monster DPM and 2x6 torps. With all the radar and new CV rework is another passive nerf to Gunboat DDs. 
 

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Thanks for all the feedback.  I still have a fascination for the Khaba and its unique playstyle.

 

I may go for the Grozovoi line instead but get the Lenin to enjoy the run-n-gun playstyle.

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4 hours ago, Prometheus_____ said:

I may go for the Grozovoi line instead

That's what I did. If I want to play a DD with cruiser level concealment I will play a cruiser. One day I might do the Khab line, but for now it not something that interests me.

Groz imo has the best of both worlds. 3/4 Khaba guns but very useable concealment and decent if unspectacular torps. Plus since buff gets heal and smoke at same time. 

 

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