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With her 150mm guns and thus the pointlessness of taking BFT, she doesn't make a very good German DD trainer does she?

Or even German cruiser trainer I guess.

Needs her own captain?

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Pretty much. For German 150 mm DDs, go full torp and survivability. AR, SI, Vigilance and RPF are recommended. Also IFHE.

Having only 4 slow-reloading guns means you shouldn't brawl at all.

 

PS. German 150 mm DD line. Make it happen, WG.

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Yeah.

I don't have her. I have a few in game doubloons and was looking to see if I could buy another ship that would fit into my focus at the moment.

I'll skip her for now.

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T-61 makes a much better DD trainer as you don't need to re-spec captain just to suit that ship. If you are grinding to Z-52 better to stick with 128mm gun DDs and a captain that can use same skills up the line. I prefer the gameplay of the 128mm guns anyway and never used the 150mm guns on the tech tree DDs that could have them.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          

150mm guns have nice alpha damage and are great for landing cits on broadside cruisers, but the 128mm guns higher DPM will win out over better alpha when you need to fight DD. For me in Z-39 I am a bit more of a selective ambush predator. I will fire guns and reveal myself only when I know I can shoot one or two salvos to kill my target or if I can't, have the ability to fire then disengage. Trying to brawl with better gunboat DDs with that long 7.5 sec reload on the Z-39 only gets you into trouble.

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1 minute ago, HobartAWD said:

T-61 makes a much better DD trainer as you don't need to re-spec captain just to suit that ship. If you are grinding to Z-52 better to stick with 128mm gun DDs and a captain that can use same skills up the line. I prefer the gameplay of the 128mm guns anyway and never used the 150mm guns on the tech tree DDs that could have them.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          

150mm guns have nice alpha damage and are great for landing cits on broadside cruisers, but the 128mm guns higher DPM will win out over better alpha when you need to fight DD. For me in Z-39 I am a bit more of a selective ambush predator. I will fire guns and reveal myself only when I know I can shoot one or two salvos to kill my target or if not have the ability to fire then disengage. Trying to brawl with better gunboat DDs with that long 7.5 sec reload on the Z-39 only gets you into trouble.

Oh Z-39 sounds like a fun little predator alright, but I already have a T-61 and as you say, she is better suited to my needs right now.

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26 minutes ago, icy_phoenix said:

Why do you even need to use BFT....

On a sub 139mm DD gunboat?

Isn't that just a straight +10% DPM?

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19 minutes ago, Max_Battle said:

On a sub 139mm DD gunboat?

Isn't that just a straight +10% DPM?

If the DD has already good dpm, then BFT has a bit of diminishing return. And 10% is precisely the problem, the lower the base value, the less you get out of it. This is why I don't think BFT is good take on KM DD. Because SE, SI, TAE are part of core builds on KM DDs in my opinion. SE -> obvious, SI -> You have so many consumables, TAE -> KM DDs are excellent torp spammers, they are not full gunboat.

So while it is easy to justify BFT on full gunboats like VMF ones, or may be even USN DDs (the ones can go AA build), it seems not so great on KM DDs.

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2 minutes ago, icy_phoenix said:

If the DD has already good dpm, then BFT has a bit of diminishing return. And 10% is precisely the problem, the lower the base value, the less you get out of it. This is why I don't think BFT is good take on KM DD. Because SE, SI, TAE are part of core builds on KM DDs in my opinion. SE -> obvious, SI -> You have so many consumables, TAE -> KM DDs are excellent torp spammers, they are not full gunboat.

So while it is easy to justify BFT on full gunboats like VMF ones, or may be even USN DDs (the ones can go AA build), it seems not so great on KM DDs.

Noted.

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However, at the end of the day it depends on how you play it. If you just go full time gunboat, then ofcourse you can take BFT. Z-39 won't be able to use that perk, but you still should do just fine. For example the Belfast captain I use have LS on 2nd row, cause it's actually a DD captain. I barely notice not having cruiser specific skills on the 2nd row.

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why not just grind the Z-23 or Gaeda if all you want is to grind and train a captain for 150mm ( mid tier cruisers ?? )

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3 minutes ago, Mechfori said:

why not just grind the Z-23 or Gaeda if all you want is to grind and train a captain for 150mm ( mid tier cruisers ?? )

I probably would do that if/when I get a Z-23 and Prinz Irongun 🙂

I was only wondering if Z-23 would fit in with what I'm doing German DD-wise at the moment and 150mm guns don't - just for now.

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5 hours ago, Paladinum said:

Pretty much. For German 150 mm DDs, go full torp and survivability. 

 

You go that route for german dds anyways.

And ffs dont take vigilance on a DD.

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I didn't like it. Just an average tier 7 DD. I prefer the T-61 as it's gamestyle is closer to Z-46 and Z-52.

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Yeap.  I won it in a Santa crate,  had one game and retired it to port.   That dispersion...……...wow

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41 minutes ago, RalphTheTheatreCat said:

Yeap.  I won it in a Santa crate,  had one game and retired it to port.   That dispersion...……...wow

Hmm. Maybe I will just skip all together!

T-61 is fine.

And I have Sims and Leningrad.

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I am genuinely surprised to see all this animosity directed at the Z39. I think it’s super strong and very enjoyable. Go figure.

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Horses for course I guess.    Doesn't work well as a trainer and different tactics due to the guns.   Some ship just don't gel with certain people

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I find it very bizzare that Z-39 gets Gaede's 150 mm and not Z-23's (check the name of the guns and their reload time). Z-39 is a sister ship of Z-23 after all. The proverbial short end of the stick.

 

Kinda out of topic but would it be nice if BFT and AFT grant bonuses to all DD guns, but 140 mm and larger just get half the bonuses of 139 mm and smaller? The "140 mm and larger" clause only works on destroyers. 5% less reload and 10% more range, as oppose to 10% less reload and 20% more range. I know that Germany was the only one who had 150 mm guns on their DDs, but still.

That will help Gaede, Z-39 and Z-23 a lot.

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