Musashi Counter?

[Soloun]

Hi All,

I play the Missouri for money but I always encounter Musashi's that go bow in and just blast away, I'm after suggestions for countering this using the MO.

No I don;t play a lot of BB games, I like Cruisers and DD's I'm like that, one of "those" people :)

Whats the best tactic that is actually helpful?

Thanks :)

[Gesterbein]

Shoot HE if YamaSushi bow on and stationery......
or if you in close range, force her to brawling keep your ship angled to minimized citadeled form front (460 mm can pen your 32 mm bow)....
and if u so desperate RAM her 

[EULA_violator]

39 minutes ago, Soloun said:

Hi All,

I play the Missouri for money but I always encounter Musashi's that go bow in and just blast away, I'm after suggestions for countering this using the MO.

No I don;t play a lot of BB games, I like Cruisers and DD's I'm like that, one of "those" people 🙂

Whats the best tactic that is actually helpful?

Thanks 🙂

go into concealment, and go somewhere the musashi cant shoot you. no, im serious 

 

the USN 406 mark7 guns are some of the worst guns on BBs at that tier and cant do much against a musashi, HE spamming it is extremely inefficient and would cost your team in lost alpha damage that could have gone to DSing a CA or DD so if you see a musashi bowing on to you, best thing to do is to get to cover and go shoot at something else. if you REALLY have to kill the musashi, there's a infamous weak point in it's armor under the 1/2 turrets that you *might be able to penn, but I don't suggest trying that above 10km unless he's really broadsided. if all else fails, go for the ram, it's the quickest and easiest way out

to be honest, Missouri excels in everything that isn't killing a bow on BB, it is best used a CA/DD killer and area denial for pushing ships.  so don't worry too much about it if you cant get the hang of it at first, heck even I have shitty stats in misso

 

[Sharr_Dextera]

1 hour ago, drakon233 said:

Quotes:

"......if you REALLY have to kill the musashi, there's a infamous weak point in it's armor under the 1/2 turrets that you *might be able to penn, but I don't suggest trying that above 10km unless he's really broadsided. if all else fails, go for the ram, it's the quickest and easiest way out....."

 

 

It's work. But you need to be lucky enough to land several hits, enough to kill or damage it significantly.

[ahwai82]

going thru same hell with iowa, they bow on i cant do anything more like chip the paint off them lol its frustrating and not fun

best is to avoid them use your guns on other ship instead better than waste time fight a fight that is not in your favor

 

[Paladinum]

Play a CV...

🙃

[Grygus_Triss]

Get HE spamming team mates to focus fire. At least that should force him to run away for a while.

[BunnyDragon]

He spam,

Get a broadside on it. Almost took one from 100 to 0 with 1 front turret salvo. He was half a citadel away from becoming a developer. 

 

Or find something else to shoot at and get your cruiser/dd teammates to fire/flood him up. 

 

Those work. 

[Soloun]

Thanks for the idea, I'm often 1 of 2 BB's on a flank and if I run I feel we'll lose for sure.

The HE does seem to work though, thanks for that. 

I must agree with WGing on this one, the Musashi population is now at epidemic levels, they will begin to all slowly stare soon, so kill one today and do you part :)

[ahwai82]

57 minutes ago, Soloun said:

Thanks for the idea, I'm often 1 of 2 BB's on a flank and if I run I feel we'll lose for sure.

The HE does seem to work though, thanks for that. 

I must agree with WGing on this one, the Musashi population is now at epidemic levels, they will begin to all slowly stare soon, so kill one today and do you part 🙂

just play conqueror, burn them all lol

conqueror is dumb but these bow on musashi and yamato is just as dumb, sit 20KM+ away bow on and shoot at anything with their pen all guns 

[legionary2099]

When i meet a static bow on Musashi , its much better to go into stealth mode and find a different angle to kill it , or better yet , switch flank.

If the Musashi is far behind the main screen force , he wont move much. You have plenty of time to smash his vanguard from a different angle. Missouri is a fast BB at 33 knts. Use that speed to wipe his supporting elements. You can forget about dealing with him.

Like all ships , Musashi is weak without support , a lone Musashi is easy pick for most dd , and kiting cruisers. Going head on against a bow on Musashi is suicidal unless you are in the same class.

If there is a carrier in the match , blap him with HE so your carrier can finish him off.

[Moggytwo]

On 12/7/2018 at 6:12 PM, drakon233 said:

the USN 406 mark7 guns are some of the worst guns on BBs at that tier

What?  They are excellent guns, they consistently get pen damage and are amazing at high damage salvos.  Obviously shooting at a bow on ship you can't overmatch is a pointless exercise, but if you use the guns properly they are extremely good.

As for the OP's question - don't play the Musashi at it's own game.  If you are trading shots with a bow on Musashi you are playing into it's strengths.  Play to your strengths instead - use your speed and stealth to get into a flanking position and take advantage of your excellent guns to penetrate his side.  Don't even bother firing at him bow on unless there are literally no other ships to shoot at - even then you're often better not firing and staying stealthed so he can't return fire.

[EULA_violator]

2 hours ago, Moggytwo said:

What?  They are excellent guns, they consistently get pen damage and are amazing at high damage salvos.  Obviously shooting at a bow on ship you can't overmatch is a pointless exercise, but if you use the guns properly they are extremely good.

As for the OP's question - don't play the Musashi at it's own game.  If you are trading shots with a bow on Musashi you are playing into it's strengths.  Play to your strengths instead - use your speed and stealth to get into a flanking position and take advantage of your excellent guns to penetrate his side.  Don't even bother firing at him bow on unless there are literally no other ships to shoot at - even then you're often better not firing and staying stealthed so he can't return fire.

being accurate=/= good guns

the USN guns have the worst penn apart from the German 406s, and worst reload if you choose to take accuracy over reload, which means you either get decent dispersion with the longest reload at the tier, or ok dispersion with normal reload, none of which is that good of a option, frankly if not for the radar and credit gains, Missouri would not be nearly as populous as she is

 

[Max_Battle]

I'm so sorry.

I'm so so sorry.

I tried not to do this, but it's been staring at me for days...

Musashi Counter.

[icy_phoenix]

Musashi is usually played on a bit more static style. You need ships that deal with static targets better, for example, a DD, or a CV. HE spamming a Musashi to death will take like 15 minutes, that means the ships doing those were useless for the entire game.

Better to exploit the fact that, instead of trying to withering out that giant, kill his teammates and then focus fire him. Battleships like Musashi and Yamato aren't instant threat to anything unless you drive like a complete fool.

Also, overmatch is overrated. It's not a problem neither an advantage so to speak, for most cases.

[Moggytwo]

20 minutes ago, icy_phoenix said:

Also, overmatch is overrated. It's not a problem neither an advantage so to speak, for most cases.

For sure.  Overmatch is great and all, but you pay a LOT for the ability to overmatch 32mm armour.  I'd much rather have Reppy guns that can't overmatch 32mm and have the ability to quickly relocate combined with excellent dpm and a trolly citadel. 

Against a decent player overmatch won't do much for you, and against a crappy player you'll likely outplay them regardless of your gun calibre.

Not to mention the static bow on play style of Yammy and Musashi is incredibly static and predictable, and that means a smart player will easily counter you, plus it's just plain boring to play.

[EULA_violator]

1 hour ago, icy_phoenix said:

Musashi is usually played on a bit more static style. You need ships that deal with static targets better, for example, a DD, or a CV. HE spamming a Musashi to death will take like 15 minutes, that means the ships doing those were useless for the entire game.

Better to exploit the fact that, instead of trying to withering out that giant, kill his teammates and then focus fire him. Battleships like Musashi and Yamato aren't instant threat to anything unless you drive like a complete fool.

Also, overmatch is overrated. It's not a problem neither an advantage so to speak, for most cases.

after playing yamato for CW and grinding out the Degen mod, i'll beg to differ, overmater is not overrated when you can aim

[icy_phoenix]

25 minutes ago, drakon233 said:

after playing yamato for CW and grinding out the Degen mod, i'll beg to differ, overmater is not overrated when you can aim

Well technically if everyone is bow in, you can do some consistent damage against them. but then again, even with my decent aiming skills, I felt like I would have done similar amount of damage with just about any other T10 BB in that given situation (except may be Conq since idk how to HE). Its always better to look for a broader target even when you can overmatch that few other ships. As I also countered a lot of Yamatos in CW with a Montana, which some people consider as the worst T10 BB (btw, you do not pick BB in CW to counter enemy BB, anything you do to him is kinda bonus).

[EULA_violator]

29 minutes ago, icy_phoenix said:

Well technically if everyone is bow in, you can do some consistent damage against them. but then again, even with my decent aiming skills, I felt like I would have done similar amount of damage with just about any other T10 BB in that given situation (except may be Conq since idk how to HE). Its always better to look for a broader target even when you can overmatch that few other ships. As I also countered a lot of Yamatos in CW with a Montana, which some people consider as the worst T10 BB (btw, you do not pick BB in CW to counter enemy BB, anything you do to him is kinda bonus).

no, the overmatch also applies when going against heavily angled ships, esp the likes of conq and rep as well as all the T10 CAs, even with the wonky Penn machinic they still do more than enough damage to nullify the troll armor that makes everything else shooting at them useless unless you go for superstructure