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What if Izumo was built like this

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So i was looking through TMIHC Yamato Footage, this website manage to got my attention. A bunch of pre yamato design was explained and shown here. 

 

Izumo similar Design - A-140J0 

Approximately 242m long, 52000 tons standard and 27.5 knots with 120000SHP. Beam was around 36.2m.  

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Prototype design 1

So we have a Japan Nelson Class version Battleship design, this one looks kinda cool bit really slow at 24knots. Known as A-140K3. The guns are 18 inch. Length is around 221m and 50600 tons. 

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Prototype design 2

This one looks like Montana class battleship, with 12 rifles. Known as A-140J3. Featuring 41cm guns and standard displacement around 58400 tons

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Prototype Design 3

Similar to prototype design 1, but with faster speed at 26- 27knots. Length is between 244- 249 m while bean and draft still the same.Has two version of split propulsion system, 26 knots around 110000SHP and 27 knots around 130000SHP. Known as A-140G-1-B. 

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Prototype design 4 

Looks really like a rebooted kongo class Battleship but enlarge and better armor protection. Featuring a mix-match turret like you see in dallas, total 10 rifles. Known as A-140I.

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So which one is your favourite design? I really like the Nelson type class battleship tho, hoping to see  Izumo Design are like this instead of the turret facing the bridge. 

 

Source https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=undefined&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwj4h-rxr_feAhUgSI8KHbmOCjEQzPwBCAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwarshipprojects.wordpress.com%2F2018%2F04%2F24%2Fthe-yamato-class-genesis%2F&psig=AOvVaw2tsyJ2x9BWolxiwuIniec8&ust=1543504343189426

 

Ps : This thread is not criticising the firepower of Izumo, it is about the design tho. I have not experienced in Izumo Battleship either. 

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get Izumi and u will understand :Smile_trollface:

From Amagi to Izumo and Yamato, there is no connection about the design and development :fish_palm:

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Yes, there were several designs that WG could pick, and, not-surprisingly at all, WG picked the worst one. For me, rotating the 3rd turret bow forward, and letting the 2nd turret rotate 180 degrees would turn Izumo from trash to super awesome T9 BB.

 

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Izumo's worst advantage: phallic superstructure tower that is totally repulsive to look at.

 

Anyway, some of them could easily be high tier candidates for an IJN BB slit. Especially this one, since we don't have any BB with 2x2 2x3 for T8/9/10 yet:

9 hours ago, waichung1823 said:

Prototype design 4 

There is one thing though, I do NOT want another 460 mm ship in the game. It'd be much better if those guns are 410 and NOT 460.

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prototype type 2, give it izumo guns and she'd give montana a run for her money, less protection cuz of the crap forward citadel scheme but with a lot more killing power at range

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Prototype 2 (A-140J3) will work for me. With Izumo spec main guns, plus re-arrangement of 155mm secondary turrets (at least like the configuration on musashi).

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On 11/29/2018 at 8:16 AM, Paladinum said:

There is one thing though, I do NOT want another 460 mm ship in the game. It'd be much better if those guns are 410 and NOT 460.

no 460mm. how about 500mm 20 inchers..8 of them

 

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1 hour ago, F14TomcatRIO said:

no 460mm. how about 500mm 20 inchers..8 of them

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What Izumo design in game were conceptualize by Japan Naval designer, Yuzuru Hiraga.

The things that many forget to mention, were the first draft of izumo also have 3 catapult in 2nd and 3rd turret. With crane behind the 3rd turret.

Thats right, the Izumo that hiraga envisionage is actualy a concept of aviation battleship, the ship wide aft were dedicated for aviation while the forward section were for gunnery. 

You know which ship have similiar concept? It was cruiser tone, which also Hiraga brainchild.

The aviation battleship izumo were designed to carry - launch and recover 14-16 aircraft. For comparasion Yamato can carry 7. While Iowa only 3

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7 hours ago, humusz said:

What Izumo design in game were conceptualize by Japan Naval designer, Yuzuru Hiraga.

The things that many forget to mention, were the first draft of izumo also have 3 catapult in 2nd and 3rd turret. With crane behind the 3rd turret.

Thats right, the Izumo that hiraga envisionage is actualy a concept of aviation battleship, the ship wide aft were dedicated for aviation while the forward section were for gunnery. 

You know which ship have similiar concept? It was cruiser tone, which also Hiraga brainchild.

The aviation battleship izumo were designed to carry - launch and recover 14-16 aircraft. For comparasion Yamato can carry 7. While Iowa only 3

Just like the Ise? Hmmm. Interesting information.

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I just found the image of how the real Izumo would look like. Now it make sense why WG were not decided to rotate the 2nd turret 360o. WG was sticking with the original design but they move the planes to the back side and slightly altering the superstructure. And there are mere no AA. 

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6 hours ago, mr_glitchy_R said:

Just like the Ise? Hmmm. Interesting information.

The concept of Aviation Battleship is toyed by many Naval power, Izumo was one of such example

 

one of many rejected design of Lion class Battleship was idea from Rear Admiral Bruce Frasher. he want a Hybrid Battleship bassed on Lion class hull in 1941, the initial spesification  assesment, call for a 51.000 ton ships, armed with 6 - 16inch gun in 2 triple turret, sixten 5.25 inch secondary armanent and eight octuple 2 pounder mount. the Conceptualized Lion would have ability to carry 12 Fighters and 2 Torpedo bomber that can be launch by 152 meter flight deck.

The Director of Naval gunnery despise the new Lion assesment calling it quoted "The function and requirement of Carrier and surface gun platform are entirely incompatible. the conception of this design is evidently the result of unresolved contest betwen a concius acceptance of aircraft and subconcius desire fot a 1914 Fleet, these aboration are the result of a psychological maladjusment"

needless to say, the design was not pass

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41 minutes ago, humusz said:

"The function and requirement of Carrier and surface gun platform are entirely incompatible. the conception of this design is evidently the result of unresolved contest between a conscious acceptance of aircraft and subconscious desire for a 1914 Fleet, these abomination are the result of a psychological maladjustment"

There are/were much better designed "concepts" of "artillery carriers" or "hybrid carriers" that use a full-length flight deck instead of a half-hearted runway of 150 meters or just a bunch of catapults (Ise/Hyuga). But I can see why those designs were never built, they have serious practicality issue.

Those would carry a flight deck about 2/3 of the length of the ship (at least 200 m) and the rest are for forward turrets (see the attached image, I think those are 283 mm turrets). They don't have to carry BB-caliber guns (305 mm+) though. 2x3 203 mm turrets would be enough.

Would still thrill to see some of them in-game though.

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14 hours ago, humusz said:

What Izumo design in game were conceptualize by Japan Naval designer, Yuzuru Hiraga.

The things that many forget to mention, were the first draft of izumo also have 3 catapult in 2nd and 3rd turret. With crane behind the 3rd turret.

Thats right, the Izumo that hiraga envisionage is actualy a concept of aviation battleship, the ship wide aft were dedicated for aviation while the forward section were for gunnery. 

You know which ship have similiar concept? It was cruiser tone, which also Hiraga brainchild.

The aviation battleship izumo were designed to carry - launch and recover 14-16 aircraft. For comparasion Yamato can carry 7. While Iowa only 3

Excellent info, i should have dig more deeper. 

 

But i would like to see a hybrid BB In game although it may get some hates. 

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7 hours ago, mr_glitchy_R said:

I just found the image of how the real Izumo would look like. Now it make sense why WG were not decided to rotate the 2nd turret 360o. WG was sticking with the original design but they move the planes to the back side and slightly altering the superstructure. And there are mere no AA. 

dc7amob-ee4ca8e2-1483-4d7a-bb70-ea5c78108734.png

Honestly, the look was ugly. The funnel is like Charles Martel and the superstructure looks like a D***(How lewd, you know what i mean 😏

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