Is Aigle good/fun for Operations?

[Max_Battle]

Some ships are good in certain play modes but not in others.

Is Aigle good in ops?

[icy_phoenix]

Yes. But be careful, unlike human, bots never miss.

[Max_Battle]

1 minute ago, icy_phoenix said:

Yes. But be careful, unlike human, bots never miss.

Cool, thought she might be.

She is a big target for a DD yes? Is that why the accuracy warning?

Might buy for coal.

[keskparane]

I found her AP to be particularly potent on cruisers.

[icy_phoenix]

2 minutes ago, Max_Battle said:

She is a big target for a DD yes? Is that why the accuracy warning?

Well, bots tend to focus DDs first, and they do it collectively. And since they are bots, they always take correct lead. So trying to fight bots in a DD out of smoke screen is often not a good idea. I saw Khaba (human) getting absolutely murdered by T10 coop BBs. Because its hard to hit for human players, not for bots 😛

[Max_Battle]

Just now, icy_phoenix said:

Well, bots tend to focus DDs first, and they do it collectively. And since they are bots, they always take correct lead. So trying to fight bots in a DD out of smoke screen is often not a good idea. I saw Khaba (human) getting absolutely murdered by T10 coop BBs. Because its hard to hit for human players, not for bots 😛

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[Max_Battle]

@icy_phoenix is he worth spending an Engine Boost mod on?

I've had one kicking around my inventory for a while.

[icy_phoenix]

Just now, Max_Battle said:

@icy_phoenix is he worth spending an Engine Boost mod on?

I've had one kicking around my inventory for a while.

My opinion is "no". Engine boost mod are more usable for ships that does running and gunning. Aigle does a lot of gunning, but I don't think running works for her that well. I could be slightly wrong though.

And then there are questions about using doubloons for demounting. But since its only 25, may be not a big deal.

Just think about a few of your games and think about how long did you run before stopping using speed boost, did you feel that you needed it to last longer..... (wait, sounds like I'm advertising for certain drug...).

[Max_Battle]

3 minutes ago, icy_phoenix said:

My opinion is "no". Engine boost mod are more usable for ships that does running and gunning. Aigle does a lot of gunning, but I don't think running works for her that well. I could be slightly wrong though.

Russian DD?

American DD?

Leningrad? Sims? Kidd?

[luftkopf]

I've been enjoying mine in operations. I think it's worth the coal.

[icy_phoenix]

6 hours ago, Max_Battle said:

Russian DD?

I have 3, Khaba, Tashkent, and 1 spare. May be for Henri 4.

[Thyaliad]

7 hours ago, Max_Battle said:

@icy_phoenix is he worth spending an Engine Boost mod on?

I've had one kicking around my inventory for a while.

If you have a spare one why not. My Aigle has it equipped. Not that useful in PvE due to aimhack bots like Icy mentioned, but it is hilarious in Randoms. You will be surprised how many people have trouble hitting you if you play it right.

[Max_Battle]

Confusing and contradictory advice and opinions.

One says don't take AFT because the fire arcs are terrible and there's no point getting that extra range and the other says it's great to have 15km range on the guns.

One says 77second torpedo reload is garbage and the other says its quite good.

One says its barely a good gunboat and the other says its a must have gunboat...

What can you do but try for yourself an make up your own mind?

 

 

[AntifoulAwl]

IDK how good aigle is for ops.

But I do know that you don't see many in ops, and when I do see one, I inwardly groan.

[Thyaliad]

9 hours ago, Max_Battle said:

Confusing and contradictory advice and opinions.

One says don't take AFT because the fire arcs are terrible and there's no point getting that extra range and the other says it's great to have 15km range on the guns.

One says 77second torpedo reload is garbage and the other says its quite good.

One says its barely a good gunboat and the other says its a must have gunboat...

What can you do but try for yourself an make up your own mind?

It really depends on how you want to play the ship. But I must say though, it is certainly not a ship for everybody. For some its flaws are tolerable and can be worked around. For others, they are just too much.

If you are planning to play it like a traditional DD, you are going to be disappointed. It is a fire-support DD that is kind of a cross between the Russian and US DDs. You can either play the speed tank game or smoke-fire.

For AFT, it depends on the meta. If there are plenty of immobile bow-on reverse BBs for you to shoot at, then AFT is useful. If not, it is a waste of points due to your shell velocity.

The torps are situational. They are actually pretty good, as they hit quite hard. It is just that an Aigle at full concealment is only 6.8km, so with 7km torps you will not be stealth-torping things unless they are pushing into you. Torp reload may not look good on paper, but in practise it is decent as Aigle should be spending most of its time shooting things anyway, rather than trying to torp stuff.

Overall I enjoyed my Aigle. I wouldn't rate it as a must-have, but it is a pretty good gunboat if you like gunboat DDs and can work around its flaws.

[icy_phoenix]

AFT is a build to fight large ships. It is a useless perk on most DDs if you ask me. I would rather invest those points to IFHE if you want huge damage numbers.

[Max_Battle]

8 hours ago, Thyaliad said:

It really depends on how you want to play the ship. But I must say though, it is certainly not a ship for everybody. For some its flaws are tolerable and can be worked around. For others, they are just too much.

If you are planning to play it like a traditional DD, you are going to disappointed. It is a fire-support DD that is kind of a cross between the Russian and US DDs. You can either play the speed tank game or smoke-fire.

For AFT, it depends on the meta. If there are plenty of immobile bow-on reverse BBs for you to shoot at, then AFT is useful. If not, it is a waste of points due to your shell velocity.

The torps are situational. They are actually pretty good, as they hit quite hard. It is just that an Aigle at full concealment is only 6.8km, so with 7km torps you will not be stealth-torping things unless they are pushing into you. Torp reload may not look good on paper, but in practise it is decent as Aigle should be spending most of its time shooting things anyway, rather than trying to torp stuff.

Overall I enjoyed my Aigle. I wouldn't rate it as a must-have, but it is a pretty good gunboat if you like gunboat DDs and can work around its flaws.

Thanks for details. I do like gunboats.

[Max_Battle]

7 hours ago, icy_phoenix said:

AFT is a build to fight large ships. It is a useless perk on most DDs if you ask me. I would rather invest those points to IFHE if you want huge damage numbers.

Yeah.

My only completed line is US DDs. As such, some of my oldest captains are on that line.

And by that I mean some of my oldest mistakes!

And by that I mean I now find that 15km range on my Farragut with AFT is pretty pointless.

Even though I have been playing for years it's only relatively recently that I have consciously sought advice and seriously looked at stats and proper captain builds, not just, "what I think is cool".

Anyway. I think I agree with your comments on AFT for DD, even if it does get my Freedom Lolibotes a bit of extra AA.

But then again I guess unless you are in Sims or Kidd, no one really expects you to provide any kind of AA coverage in a DD? Even then, isn't Sims and Kidd's AA just to keep themselves safe?

Which means that enemy planes are going to be coming into your auras and although AFT increases your range, it doesn't actually increase aura damage right?

Mmm, many reasons NOT to take AFT on DD...

[icy_phoenix]

@Max_Battle, well, technically, its not that its a bad thing. Most high tier skills have diminishing returns for low tiers. For example, if you want to build a seal clubbing Clemson, there is no point in taking RDF that you would take in any high tier US DDs, instead, AFT on clemson will work wonders, since most low tier players are clueless and you just farm the battleships sitting at a comfortable distance.

From my observation, you need Greedy builds up to T5, then you need a typical build for up to T8, and for higher, you need optimal build to actually do well consistently. That's from my experience at least. Although, my low tier experience is almost non-existent. Its not much fun clubbing low tier players.

[Max_Battle]

25 minutes ago, icy_phoenix said:

@Max_Battle, well, technically, its not that its a bad thing. Most high tier skills have diminishing returns for low tiers. For example, if you want to build a seal clubbing Clemson, there is no point in taking RDF that you would take in any high tier US DDs, instead, AFT on clemson will work wonders, since most low tier players are clueless and you just farm the battleships sitting at a comfortable distance.

Understood.

 

25 minutes ago, icy_phoenix said:

 Its not much fun clubbing low tier players.

Are you sure about that!?

j/k I actually have a Clemson and a Phoenix for being mean but as there are almost no rewards for t4 ships and there's always something better to do with my game time so I almost never do. If I really need a win I load up good old Karmakaze.

Lost count of the number of times I have gone into a t4 game and been RDFed right from the start 😛

(Seems some people invest in their seal clubbers!)

[icy_phoenix]

12 hours ago, Max_Battle said:

Are you sure about that!?

 

RDF in T4... hmmmm.... Not optimal choice 😛 So not a hardcore clubber.

[Max_Battle]

Welp.

I have many Freedom botes, but no Liberty botes.

Will Aigle make me change my mind?

I guess I will have to suck her and see.

For Liberty!